ravot Posted February 16, 2011 at 06:59 PM Posted February 16, 2011 at 06:59 PM Hey folks,i'm fairly new here and i've been reading up on articles and threads and i couldn't seem to find the answer so bear with me if it's been asked. I hope it's the right section. What are the consequences if the Chicago PD discovers a gun in your house that's legally purchase but is not registered to the city? I don't have a gun yet but i wanted to know what would end up happening. I do have a FOID card. I dont' do any illegal things in my house so i don't expect the CPD to come to my house and investigate and what not. I've been told by workers at gun shops that they've been in chicago for 40 years with X amount of guns and they've never had an issue and don't plan on registering any time soon. they've said that the worst that can happen is the confiscation of your weapon and being ticketed for $500 dollars. any of these stories true? i've been meaning to purchase a gun and i'm wanting it to be mostly for range sport and then keeping at home for defense. thanks all!
RandyP Posted February 16, 2011 at 07:30 PM Posted February 16, 2011 at 07:30 PM Up to $10,000 fine and six months in the slam for each offense, every day the firearm is unregistered can be considered a 'separate' offense under the ordinance. the entire ordinance can be viewed here: https://portal.chica...er-registry.pdf The penalties are listed beginning on Page 23 of the document. Just my personal opinion as a life-long Chicago resident, this ordinance carries the potential for a MUCH more severe punishment than disobeying the previous unconstitutional ordinance might have presented to those who ignored it for decades. My CFP was granted on August 24th and all my firearms except one are registered. The one that could not be registered is my High Point 995 9mm carbine which because of its pistol grip is insanely considered a banned Assault Weapon. I turned it over to my Hoosier brother as soon as I received the notice that it was not registerable.
Dr. G Posted February 16, 2011 at 07:35 PM Posted February 16, 2011 at 07:35 PM According to the new law enacted in June of 2010, a person caught with an unregistered gun can receive up to 90 days in the county jail. Although it should be noted that no one was ever proscuted under the old chicago registration law.
ravot Posted February 16, 2011 at 07:47 PM Author Posted February 16, 2011 at 07:47 PM Okay thanks. Say i already owned the gun for a month, unregistered and then i do my CFP class and get my permit and register the same handgun i've owned. are there penalties for that? are they going to ask for the purchase date and what not?
Federal Farmer Posted February 16, 2011 at 07:55 PM Posted February 16, 2011 at 07:55 PM According to the new law enacted in June of 2010, a person caught with an unregistered gun can receive up to 90 days in the county jail. Although it should be noted that no one was ever proscuted under the old chicago registration law. That isn't true. ISRA represented a man who faced something like 250 counts. I believe it ended up resolved at 1 count and he gets his guns back.
ChiShooter Posted February 16, 2011 at 07:55 PM Posted February 16, 2011 at 07:55 PM Okay thanks. Say i already owned the gun for a month, unregistered and then i do my CFP class and get my permit and register the same handgun i've owned. are there penalties for that? are they going to ask for the purchase date and what not? I called Chicago Police for this same reason. I have some guns in the locker at the range that I bought before I got my CFP and was wondering if I could have them registered. They told me that when filing for registration I should include a note saying that these were sitting at the range and that this is the first time they are being brought into the city. NOTE !!!! : This is what I was told on the phone by one of their guys. Take it for what it is. I haven't tried to register these guns and I don't think I will. If you want another, less "hear-say" option you can do the following: When you're ready to register transfer the gun to your dealer and then have them transfer it back to you. You will pay about $50 or so , depending on the dealer, but the end result is that you will have the purchase receipt showing that date. Then you can transfer it to the city. Ask one of the dealers around Chicago area (Lyons, Lincolnwood, Melrose Park, Elmwood Park) about this - they should be able to give you more detailed info.
Federal Farmer Posted February 16, 2011 at 07:58 PM Posted February 16, 2011 at 07:58 PM Okay thanks. Say i already owned the gun for a month, unregistered and then i do my CFP class and get my permit and register the same handgun i've owned. are there penalties for that? are they going to ask for the purchase date and what not? You cannot register that gun. You had from August to October to register guns you possessed prior to getting your permit. Now you have 5 days from acquisition. What you should do is find someone outside Chicago to transfer it to, then have them transfer it back and register it within 5 days. I'd make sure you both kept those transfer records for 10 years as per IL law. The transfer record should indicate date, firearm make/model, serial number, and both party's FOID card numbers.
Federal Farmer Posted February 16, 2011 at 07:59 PM Posted February 16, 2011 at 07:59 PM Okay thanks. Say i already owned the gun for a month, unregistered and then i do my CFP class and get my permit and register the same handgun i've owned. are there penalties for that? are they going to ask for the purchase date and what not? I called Chicago Police for this same reason. I have some guns in the locker at the range that I bought before I got my CFP and was wondering if I could have them registered. They told me that when filing for registration I should include a note saying that these were sitting at the range and that this is the first time they are being brought into the city. NOTE !!!! : This is what I was told on the phone by one of their guys. Take it for what it is. I haven't tried to register these guns and I don't think I will. If you want another, less "hear-say" option you can do the following: When you're ready to register transfer the gun to your dealer and then have them transfer it back to you. You will pay about $50 or so , depending on the dealer, but the end result is that you will have the purchase receipt showing that date. Then you can transfer it to the city. Ask one of the dealers around Chicago area (Lyons, Lincolnwood, Melrose Park, Elmwood Park) about this - they should be able to give you more detailed info. That is what CPD told me under the old ordinance. I never did test that procedure. You can do the transfer with a private party friend or family member who lives outside Chicago city limits for no fee, but must keep records as I stated above.
ChiShooter Posted February 16, 2011 at 08:05 PM Posted February 16, 2011 at 08:05 PM That is what CPD told me under the old ordinance. I never did test that procedure. You can do the transfer with a private party friend or family member who lives outside Chicago city limits for no fee, but must keep records as I stated above.Yeah, same here - that's what I was told by CPD (just about a few weeks ago) but I decided not to test it. Agreed on the 2nd note - dealers around Chicago should be able to help him out. Guys at midwestguns in Lyons charge $50 for this, not sure about others. And you don't need a private party according to them. They told me "you just transfer to us and we transfer back to you".
GarandFan Posted February 16, 2011 at 08:23 PM Posted February 16, 2011 at 08:23 PM Sadly ... You guys sound as though you live in an entirely different country than the one I do! And that's just not right, because the same rights that apply to me apply to you, too. I mean ... isn't that what the McDonald case was all about?
lockman Posted February 16, 2011 at 08:32 PM Posted February 16, 2011 at 08:32 PM Okay thanks. Say i already owned the gun for a month, unregistered and then i do my CFP class and get my permit and register the same handgun i've owned. are there penalties for that? are they going to ask for the purchase date and what not? You cannot register that gun. You had from August to October to register guns you possessed prior to getting your permit. Now you have 5 days from acquisition. What you should do is find someone outside Chicago to transfer it to, then have them transfer it back and register it within 5 days. I'd make sure you both kept those transfer records for 10 years as per IL law. The transfer record should indicate date, firearm make/model, serial number, and both party's FOID card numbers. Sell them to an authorized party and then buy them back for the same amount now you have a receipt showing the new acquisition date. You can even have the party pick up and take possession of each gun so if questioned can attest to the fact a transfer occurred. Is there a problem here?
Federal Farmer Posted February 16, 2011 at 08:35 PM Posted February 16, 2011 at 08:35 PM Okay thanks. Say i already owned the gun for a month, unregistered and then i do my CFP class and get my permit and register the same handgun i've owned. are there penalties for that? are they going to ask for the purchase date and what not? You cannot register that gun. You had from August to October to register guns you possessed prior to getting your permit. Now you have 5 days from acquisition. What you should do is find someone outside Chicago to transfer it to, then have them transfer it back and register it within 5 days. I'd make sure you both kept those transfer records for 10 years as per IL law. The transfer record should indicate date, firearm make/model, serial number, and both party's FOID card numbers. Sell them to an authorized party and then buy them back for the same amount now you have a receipt showing the new acquisition date. You can even have the party pick up and take possession of each gun so if questioned can attest to the fact a transfer occurred. Is there a problem here? You don't need to sell them and buy them back and you don't need a receipt. You don't need to pay a dealer either.
lockman Posted February 16, 2011 at 08:36 PM Posted February 16, 2011 at 08:36 PM That is what CPD told me under the old ordinance. I never did test that procedure. You can do the transfer with a private party friend or family member who lives outside Chicago city limits for no fee, but must keep records as I stated above.Yeah, same here - that's what I was told by CPD (just about a few weeks ago) but I decided not to test it. Agreed on the 2nd note - dealers around Chicago should be able to help him out. Guys at midwestguns in Lyons charge $50 for this, not sure about others. And you don't need a private party according to them. They told me "you just transfer to us and we transfer back to you". If no sale takes place I can not see how this method would fly. An FFL would have to do the background checks. An FFL would have to enter them in the books and then out, sounds like a hassle for them as a favor.
papa Posted February 16, 2011 at 08:38 PM Posted February 16, 2011 at 08:38 PM Yes there is a problem ! They shouldn't have to do any of this crap. What a shame !
GarandFan Posted February 16, 2011 at 08:49 PM Posted February 16, 2011 at 08:49 PM If no sale takes place I can not see how this method would fly. An FFL would have to do the background checks. An FFL would have to enter them in the books and then out, sounds like a hassle for them as a favor. Any lawful transfer should work for that purpose. It is lawful to do private transfers of firearms in Illinois, as long as you are not on the premises of a gun show. Any transfer of possession includes a new acquisition of that piece of property. So let's say I live in Skokie, and ravot lives in Chicago. Ravot lawfully transfers the handgun to me, and then three days later, I lawfully transfer the handgun back to him. That is a lawful transfer, and the handgun is newly acquired by ravot. Supposedly, then, he could register it in Chicago. This is not a case of "skirting the law" ... this is a case of painstakingly abiding the law.
Bimmer Posted February 16, 2011 at 08:49 PM Posted February 16, 2011 at 08:49 PM Okay thanks. Say i already owned the gun for a month, unregistered and then i do my CFP class and get my permit and register the same handgun i've owned. are there penalties for that? are they going to ask for the purchase date and what not?The gun registration form asks when brought the gun in to the city, not when you purchased it.
ravot Posted February 16, 2011 at 08:53 PM Author Posted February 16, 2011 at 08:53 PM Okay thanks. Say i already owned the gun for a month, unregistered and then i do my CFP class and get my permit and register the same handgun i've owned. are there penalties for that? are they going to ask for the purchase date and what not? You cannot register that gun. You had from August to October to register guns you possessed prior to getting your permit. Now you have 5 days from acquisition. What you should do is find someone outside Chicago to transfer it to, then have them transfer it back and register it within 5 days. I'd make sure you both kept those transfer records for 10 years as per IL law. The transfer record should indicate date, firearm make/model, serial number, and both party's FOID card numbers. well i was thinking of purchasing a gun soon so i dont have it yet and unfortunately missed the huge time frame. if i were to buy it, i can then keep it at a rental safe at a LGS. that'd still be legit then right? just like ChiShooter said? Bimmer, that's good to know that it asks when it was brought to the city and not when purchased. This should then allow me to keep the gun at a safe at range that offers the service. Garand and papa yeah, sounds like a whole different country right?
RandyP Posted February 16, 2011 at 09:02 PM Posted February 16, 2011 at 09:02 PM Just wait a week till that gun-lovin', always kindly, young, shy, non-power hungry, non-dictatorial, non-back stabbing, non-petty, non-Napoleon complexed Rahm Emanuel assumes his throne in City hall. I'm sure all of us Chicago gun owners will be able to sleep much, much easier in our comfy, warm and safe beds.
Skorpius Posted February 16, 2011 at 09:10 PM Posted February 16, 2011 at 09:10 PM Yes there is a problem ! They shouldn't have to do any of this crap. What a shame ! Damn straight. I want to get a Glock, but I'll be damned if I'll subject myself to Chicago's (and Cook's) illegal rules and/or fees. I'm waiting it out.
Federal Farmer Posted February 16, 2011 at 09:19 PM Posted February 16, 2011 at 09:19 PM Okay thanks. Say i already owned the gun for a month, unregistered and then i do my CFP class and get my permit and register the same handgun i've owned. are there penalties for that? are they going to ask for the purchase date and what not?The gun registration form asks when brought the gun in to the city, not when you purchased it. Incorrect. The field that asks who you acquired it from also asks the date. It is easy to miss on the form.
ravot Posted February 16, 2011 at 09:43 PM Author Posted February 16, 2011 at 09:43 PM Okay thanks. Say i already owned the gun for a month, unregistered and then i do my CFP class and get my permit and register the same handgun i've owned. are there penalties for that? are they going to ask for the purchase date and what not?The gun registration form asks when brought the gun in to the city, not when you purchased it. Incorrect. The field that asks who you acquired it from also asks the date. It is easy to miss on the form.I can still say i got the gun, say 2 weeks ago, but it was held at a safe outside of the city right? It'd be true, and would it be legal?
Federal Farmer Posted February 16, 2011 at 09:56 PM Posted February 16, 2011 at 09:56 PM Okay thanks. Say i already owned the gun for a month, unregistered and then i do my CFP class and get my permit and register the same handgun i've owned. are there penalties for that? are they going to ask for the purchase date and what not?The gun registration form asks when brought the gun in to the city, not when you purchased it. Incorrect. The field that asks who you acquired it from also asks the date. It is easy to miss on the form.I can still say i got the gun, say 2 weeks ago, but it was held at a safe outside of the city right? It'd be true, and would it be legal? By the letter of the law, no. However, as suggested above, the cops working the gun desk often make allowances.
ChiShooter Posted February 16, 2011 at 10:42 PM Posted February 16, 2011 at 10:42 PM Incorrect. The field that asks who you acquired it from also asks the date. It is easy to miss on the form. Federal, the form does say "Gun was obtained from" with the date. Correct. But then right under that one is "Gun was possessed IN CHICAGO by me on" and then date. So you could have two different dates between when it was obtained and when it was actualy possessed in Chicago. Maybe they are using this second one for the 5-day period ?
NickyD Posted February 16, 2011 at 11:17 PM Posted February 16, 2011 at 11:17 PM Incorrect. The field that asks who you acquired it from also asks the date. It is easy to miss on the form. Federal, the form does say "Gun was obtained from" with the date. Correct. But then right under that one is "Gun was possessed IN CHICAGO by me on" and then date. So you could have two different dates between when it was obtained and when it was actualy possessed in Chicago. Maybe they are using this second one for the 5-day period ? Yes. I was told that the 5 day period starts when the gun is purchased in Chicago. Since you can't purchase a handgun in the city, the 5 day registration requirement starts when you bring the gun within city limits. I purchased a gun in November and registered it when I brought it into the city in December, almost a month span, and had no problems registering it. I did not include any statement for the time gap. Hope that helps.
ravot Posted February 17, 2011 at 12:19 AM Author Posted February 17, 2011 at 12:19 AM Incorrect. The field that asks who you acquired it from also asks the date. It is easy to miss on the form. Federal, the form does say "Gun was obtained from" with the date. Correct. But then right under that one is "Gun was possessed IN CHICAGO by me on" and then date. So you could have two different dates between when it was obtained and when it was actualy possessed in Chicago. Maybe they are using this second one for the 5-day period ? Yes. I was told that the 5 day period starts when the gun is purchased in Chicago. Since you can't purchase a handgun in the city, the 5 day registration requirement starts when you bring the gun within city limits. I purchased a gun in November and registered it when I brought it into the city in December, almost a month span, and had no problems registering it. I did not include any statement for the time gap. Hope that helps. How long was the process to get your cfp, after doing the training class and having the gun registered?https://portal.chicagopolice.org/portal/page/portal/ClearPath/About%20CPD/Firearm%20Registration/CPD-31.562.pdf at section D, reads, gun was acquired from "name and date" then the next line is gun was possessed by me in the city "date" i wonder what they mean by that section? can i say i acquired my gun jan 10 from FFL, then brought to the city feb 10th and i'll be fine registering? i don't get the five day rule. is it five days of purchase/acquired from FFL and then i have 5 days to register so in terms of example, jan 15th. OR is it that i bought gun jan 10, acquired feb 10th, and i have until feb 15th to register without penalty?
Yas Posted February 17, 2011 at 01:17 AM Posted February 17, 2011 at 01:17 AM I smell another potential law suit on the ignorance on the closed door on the existing ownership clause and not allowing them to be registered to bring into the city on a later date. Some one moves to Chicago that already owns handguns legally elsewhere. Also what regulation was passed that demands you must have a receipt from another storage facility? What if a trusted relative / friend stored them in their home for you? A text book example would be a relative that was an FFL or LEO elsewhere.
ravot Posted February 17, 2011 at 01:19 AM Author Posted February 17, 2011 at 01:19 AM I smell another potential law suit on the ignorance on the closed door on the existing ownership clause and not allowing them to be registered to bring into the city on a later date. Some one moves to Chicago that already owns handguns legally elsewhere. Also what regulation was passed that demands you must have a receipt from another storage facility? What if a trusted relative / friend stored them in their home for you? A text book example would be a relative that was an FFL or LEO elsewhere. great questions and feedback. when the supreme court over ruled the ban on chicago. i guess daley got desperate and wanted all sorts of loop holes for you to go through that none of that stuff is in fine print. it's nuts.
Yas Posted February 17, 2011 at 01:51 AM Posted February 17, 2011 at 01:51 AM Wasn't it Burke that had the special registration window opened up when his aide forgot to renew his grandfathered pistols a year or so ago under the old handgun laws? The ones that he "Kept in his vacation home in Wisconsin"? Sorry Mell Aldermen extend amnesty to re-register guns in cityCITY COUNCIL | Committee expands Mell's narrow proposalJune 4, 2008BY FRAN SPIELMAN City Hall Reporter The City Council's Police Committee agreed today to re-open gun registration in Chicago -- and not in the narrow manner proposed by Ald. Richard Mell (33rd).A former hunter, Mell proposed a one-month amnesty after he forgot to re-register his arsenal of shotguns, rifles and pistols as required every year by the ordinance he helped to pass.It would have applied, only to gun owners who attempted to re-register their guns between May 1, 2007 and April 1, 2008 only to be rejected on grounds the registrations had lapsed.
NickyD Posted February 17, 2011 at 03:31 AM Posted February 17, 2011 at 03:31 AM How long was the process to get your cfp, after doing the training class and having the gun registered? 5 hour class, 1 hour at PD registering, wait 1.5 months for CFP, register gun, wait 2.5 weeks for registration. https://portal.chicagopolice.org/portal/page/portal/ClearPath/About%20CPD/Firearm%20Registration/CPD-31.562.pdfat section D, reads, gun was acquired from "name and date" then the next line is gun was possessed by me in the city "date" i wonder what they mean by that section? Exactly that, Gun was acquired: "Gun Store - Purchase Date", Gun was possessed in city "Date gun was brought into city limits." can i say i acquired my gun jan 10 from FFL, then brought to the city feb 10th and i'll be fine registering? i don't get the five day rule. Yes, you can say you bought your gun on Jan 10, you are supposed to. If you brought the gun in Feb 10th and today is Feb 16th and you are now registering the gun 6 days after bringing it into the city, then you are breaking the five day rule. If you brought the gun into the city Feb 15th, and sent in your registration papers Feb 16th, you are good. is it five days of purchase/acquired from FFL and then i have 5 days to register so in terms of example, jan 15th. OR is it that i bought gun jan 10, acquired feb 10th, and i have until feb 15th to register without penalty? This is a city ordinance, so it is written for the city of Chicago. When it says you have five days to register once you purchase the gun, it only applies to gun purchases within the city of Chicago. Since you cannot purchase guns within the city, the five day period does not apply to the purchase date. The five day period starts the day you bring the gun into the city.
Howard Roark Posted February 17, 2011 at 04:27 AM Posted February 17, 2011 at 04:27 AM How long was the process to get your cfp, after doing the training class and having the gun registered? 5 hour class, 1 hour at PD registering, wait 1.5 months for CFP, register gun, wait 2.5 weeks for registration. https://portal.chicagopolice.org/portal/page/portal/ClearPath/About%20CPD/Firearm%20Registration/CPD-31.562.pdfat section D, reads, gun was acquired from "name and date" then the next line is gun was possessed by me in the city "date" i wonder what they mean by that section? Exactly that, Gun was acquired: "Gun Store - Purchase Date", Gun was possessed in city "Date gun was brought into city limits." can i say i acquired my gun jan 10 from FFL, then brought to the city feb 10th and i'll be fine registering? i don't get the five day rule. Yes, you can say you bought your gun on Jan 10, you are supposed to. If you brought the gun in Feb 10th and today is Feb 16th and you are now registering the gun 6 days after bringing it into the city, then you are breaking the five day rule. If you brought the gun into the city Feb 15th, and sent in your registration papers Feb 16th, you are good. is it five days of purchase/acquired from FFL and then i have 5 days to register so in terms of example, jan 15th. OR is it that i bought gun jan 10, acquired feb 10th, and i have until feb 15th to register without penalty? This is a city ordinance, so it is written for the city of Chicago. When it says you have five days to register once you purchase the gun, it only applies to gun purchases within the city of Chicago. Since you cannot purchase guns within the city, the five day period does not apply to the purchase date. The five day period starts the day you bring the gun into the city. Helpful post NickyD. What kind of gun is ravot going to buy?
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