Klaxongreg Posted September 2, 2014 at 03:04 PM Share Posted September 2, 2014 at 03:04 PM I work in the Hood much. North St. Louis. I go outside it to fill up...but sometimes it makes no diff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Posted September 2, 2014 at 04:13 PM Share Posted September 2, 2014 at 04:13 PM Bud:I was thinking more on the subject of "Stand your ground" rather than "Castle Doctrine". I mistakenly assumed castle doctrine was the same thing. I stand corrected. I'm learning.Some Internet sources say Illinois does have stand your ground and others say we don't and others say we have "similar" laws. Does anybody know for sure? As to gas stations, to make a long story short, many years ago, I was traveling to Detroit in a company car and I was going along making great time. I was certainly not familiar with Detroit's neighborhoods, and when you are making good time, you don't want to stop, but I had to or I would have ran out of gas on the freeway. I pulled into my "gas station of last resort" and it looked like a gang convention was going on there in front of the door. I used my plastic at the pump and was not bothered at all. If the pump reader hadn't worked, I'd have had to wade through all those people to go inside to pay. That might have been ugly because I really don't interact well with thugs or drunks. However, I'm happy to have avoided that mob. You never know when you will be instantly faced with a dangerous situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glock23 Posted September 2, 2014 at 04:28 PM Share Posted September 2, 2014 at 04:28 PM Bud:I was thinking more on the subject of "Stand your ground" rather than "Castle Doctrine". I mistakenly assumed castle doctrine was the same thing. I stand corrected. I'm learning.Some Internet sources say Illinois does have stand your ground and others say we don't and others say we have "similar" laws. Does anybody know for sure?Illinois has no duty to retreat, which is basically the same as having a "stand your ground" law, but without all the other pesky legal jargon to go along with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bud Posted September 2, 2014 at 04:45 PM Share Posted September 2, 2014 at 04:45 PM The Illinois right to self defense law allows you to stand your ground and use reasonable and appropriate force, including force that can cause death or great bodily harm" anywhere in the State including your home and outside and 24/7. There is no duty to retreat. However, unlike Texas (for instance) you do not have the right to use deadly force (or force that may cause great bodily harm) once the threat is ended. In Texas, you can still shoot someone running away from you but not here in Illinois. Deadly force can only be used in defense of life or fear of great bodily harm. Once the threat ends, so does the legal use of force. If I surprise a burglar in my house and he tries to run away, i would even open the door for him. If someone tries to grab my wife's purse, fails and then runs away, she can't shoot him as he scampers away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pipedoc Posted September 2, 2014 at 05:00 PM Share Posted September 2, 2014 at 05:00 PM There is a duty to retreat in Illinois if you were the initial aggressor but that won't apply to most who are generally law abiding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gregivq Posted September 2, 2014 at 05:08 PM Share Posted September 2, 2014 at 05:08 PM The Illinois right to self defense law allows you to stand your ground and use reasonable and appropriate force, including force that can cause death or great bodily harm" anywhere in the State including your home and outside and 24/7. There is no duty to retreat. However, unlike Texas (for instance) you do not have the right to use deadly force (or force that may cause great bodily harm) once the threat is ended. In Texas, you can still shoot someone running away from you but not here in Illinois. Deadly force can only be used in defense of life or fear of great bodily harm. Once the threat ends, so does the legal use of force. If I surprise a burglar in my house and he tries to run away, i would even open the door for him. If someone tries to grab my wife's purse, fails and then runs away, she can't shoot him as he scampers away.Very good information that should not be new to anyone. Any material object can be easily replaced and no stuff is worth spending time in jail. Life on the other hand is precious and needs to be defended. I don't know what evil makes a simple thief take that extra step to threaten another person's life but this should not go unpunished. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AuroraInstructor Posted March 4, 2015 at 02:56 AM Share Posted March 4, 2015 at 02:56 AM I don't understand why nobody suggested the option of just shooting the gun out of the perp's hand!!! /purple off/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
domin8 Posted March 4, 2015 at 03:18 AM Share Posted March 4, 2015 at 03:18 AM Having been in Rocco's Force on Force courses, both level 1 and level 2, and as an assistant instructor, I can tell you that saying such is not necessary. Most people shoot at what they see, and that's usually the gun. I have taken my share of hits to my hands and forearms, and I've provided many people with the knowledge of what it feels like to get hit there too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Occmikey Posted March 4, 2015 at 10:53 AM Share Posted March 4, 2015 at 10:53 AM Question about something I saw take place today .I stopped today off the highway I was about out of gas at a local gas station.Well im in line waiting to pay for gas and it was pretty busy .I noticed this group of thugs behind some guy who was paying for his stuff .I then noticed one og the kids poking the kid on the head while his buddy's egged him on .Then one actually started touching the kids pockets and laughing .Thank god at that point lazy security decided to do his job and tell kids to leave.My question that could have been me and considering it was 3 on 1 would I have been justified to draw or no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tkroenlein Posted March 4, 2015 at 12:14 PM Share Posted March 4, 2015 at 12:14 PM Based on your account, no. Sounds like step 1 here should have been making some space and a polite invitation for the youths to go spend some quality time with themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Occmikey Posted March 4, 2015 at 12:17 PM Share Posted March 4, 2015 at 12:17 PM Based on your account, no. Sounds like step 1 here should have been making some space and a polite invitation for the youths to go spend some quality time with themselves.Maybe Its the lack of sleep but I'm confused .I think it was pretty clear these kids were gonna mug the guy till security decided to stop texting and work . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tkroenlein Posted March 4, 2015 at 12:42 PM Share Posted March 4, 2015 at 12:42 PM At what point was deadly force required to stop the threat? You could be right, maybe they did want his money and were measuring the situation. But, guns come out when it's time to defend life by the use of deadly force. Given the issue was resolved without force, it's hard to make the case that would have been acceptable to draw your gun in the same situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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