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Hi All, I'll try to make this as concise as possible: 4 years ago I was in a psych ward for a couple of days, so I knew when I applied for my FOID just 2 weeks ago that I'd be denied; I just wanted to make sure it was classified as voluntary, which it was not. 4 years ago I was admitted as an emergency admission from the Orland Park PD. I took my father's firearm and went to a parking lot in my car one night debating suicide. I ended up calling a friend of mine to say goodbye. I didn't end up using the gun obviously, but when I returned home the police were waiting for me and admitted me with a petition for involuntary commitment. Thing is, they petitioned for it and only got 1 certificate. There was never a court date, or at least I was never informed of one. Not only that, despite the circumstances, the hospital gave me an application for voluntary admission, which I signed. The hospital signed it, too. The facility director of the hospital was also my psychiatrist and he assures me he did not put in an order for involuntary admission. So, i recently sent the ISP a copy of that voluntary admission for and asked them to correct the record and change it to voluntary. But am I getting this right? What is it that actually constitutes a formal involuntary admission in Illinois? All research seems to point to a future court date, which didn't exist. Further, on the NICS website it says that voluntary admissions and emergency admissions for observation don't count as involuntary... What do you believe will be the outcome? And if it ends up remaining involuntary, my doc will sign off for me if I appeal, but what other "ammo" can I gather to support my case? Certainly, I am much, much better than i was 4 years ago.
A little info on my situation: When I was 21 I got drunk one night and my sister called the cops and I went to the hospital to detox and I told the Dr I was going to hurt myself. I went through a lot of hard times especially after my mom committed suicide. (She jumped in front of truck on a highway while I was walking alongside her). Well fast forward to now 4/5/18 I applied for FOID on line through the IL State Police site and I was denied for "voluntary mental health admission" in 10/3/2011 . I got a degree in criminology and I'm looking to work in law enforcement so a FOID card is needed. I went to my doctor that is certified in IL and he mailed in the mental health certification to the ISP address. I mailed the FOID appeals and liability and investigation docs to ISP. I checked online and it still states "denied" Now my question is it's been 6.5 years or so do I also need a letter from a psychiatrist and all those notarized letters outlined in the mental health guideline sheet or is all that paperwork only required for <5 years ago for mental health admission? Sorry if this question has been asked already. I have called the ISP and I can never get through.
I've tried searching, and haven't found anything regarding this specific topic; if there is a thread that covers this, please delete this and direct me to the appropriate post. I was "voluntarily" hospitalized in 2014 for 72 hours after planning suicide. As a result my FOID was revoked. I'm beginning the process of appealing. I'm making arrangements with the hospitals, the outpatient program, my psychiatrist, and the therapists I've worked with to have records sent to the ISP. My therapist and my psychiatrist are both supportive of me; they are not opposed to firearms, and believe that i am not a danger to myself or others. The problem I'm hitting right now is on the FOID Appeal Requirements - Mental Health Prohibitor form, where it says, "2. Notarized signed and dated, statement in your own words that contains the following: a. Details and circumstances regarding any and all mental health admissions". How much detail does the ISP want? It's it sufficient to say that my wife left me and i was fired within the same two day period? Or do they want more information? My wife (obvs. not the one that divorced me) believes that my response should be very brief, while my initial answer to the question runs a little over a full page. Can anyone point to an example of what is a *good* example of the kind of response the ISP wants? TBH, my wife and i are seriously considering moving to a different state rather than trying to fight this through the circuit courts when it's inevitably denied. Not living in Chicago and dealing with Chicago corruption and taxes would be a side benefit of moving out of state.
I've got a few questions regarding the FOID application. I've read through the forums and found several threads asking similar questions, but have not been able to find answers that specifically apply to my concerns. I've been an Illinois resident for most of my life, with the exception of two (non-consecutive) years that I lived in North Carolina. I just moved back to Illinois last spring, and now I need to finally get my FOID card, but I'm uneasy submitting the application. Lying on the FOID application is apparently a serious offense, and I don't want anything coming back on me because I misrepresented myself. Here are my concerns: 1) I was ineligible for a FOID card for 5 years, up until 2014, because my Freshman year of college ended with an involuntary 72-hour psychiatric hold. Due to a significant personal tragedy immediately preceding my college enrollment, I was struggling with serious depression/anxiety issues. This was made worse by my attending college in a city roughly 1,000 miles from home (this was my first year spent in North Carolina). I was detained (I use this word since I got slapped in wrist/ankle/waist cuffs for this) as a "suicide risk." I had not actually attempted suicide, but I had told a family member that I had been struggling with depression and had been contemplating suicide. I made the mistake of sending this in an email, and they (the family member) pushed to have local relatives take me to the hospital. They showed the hospital staff the email, and I was immediately put on the 72-hour hold, and subsequently transferred to the psychiatric ward of a nearby hospital. At the end of that 72-hour period, I was declared to not be a risk to myself or others, and was released. 2) Since then, I have been seeing (semi-regularly) a GP and Psychiatrist to manage my issues. I am diagnosed as having ADHD, Generalized Anxiety Disorder, Major Depressive Disorder, and Bipolar Disorder. I disagree strongly with the Bipolar Disorder diagnosis (it was slapped on me by an under-qualified mental health diagnostician so that I could be prescribed medication to manage my issues), as I do not fully meet the requirements. I have never once in my life experienced a true manic episode, nor have I had any psychotic/delusional episodes. Since the involuntary hold in North Carolina, I have not been an in-patient in any mental health facility or a mental health ward in a healthcare institution. 3) Given my continued visits to a Psychiatrist, my diagnoses, and the medications I am prescribed to treat those issues (one for the ADHD, one for the MDD/BP) -- do I need to answer yes to the mental health question? I am an out-patient of mental health treatment, but I have never been declared to be a threat to myself or anyone else. Quite the opposite, actually, as I had several GPs/Psychs dismiss my claims of depression/suicidal idealization. I was told that I was over-exaggerating my issues, just seeking attention, not actually capable of doing it, not a legitimate threat to myself, etc etc. Literally had a doc tell me that I just needed to "stop overthinking things" because I didn't have it as bad as others. 4) In 2012, my family took me to speak to a Drug and Alcohol Abuse counselor because I smoked pot and they thought I was "addicted". The DAA counselor cleared me of having a substance abuse issue, and even told me that he himself had used marijuana in his early twenties and that my use was not any cause for concern. 5) In 2013, I voluntarily met with an Employee Health counselor provided by my employer, as I was again struggling with my depression/anxiety issues (this was before I started on the medications I am currently taking). I told her that I had been having suicidal thoughts, but was again told that I was either over-exaggerating or just looking for attention, and that I wasn't a legitimate threat to myself. Shortly after that, I began the process of voluntarily admitting myself to a local mental health facility, but backed out of it before signing any paperwork. It had been a rash decision, one that was not necessary. I was told during the admission interview that my issues were not considered serious enough to require in-patient treatment (DENIED for in-patient treatment), and could be handled on a bi-weekly out-patient basis. I instead opted to meet with a psychiatrist at my primary healthcare facility. At that point, I began the proper course of medication, and have not since had any issues. What started as bi-monthly appointments with the psych has turned into once or twice a year, at most, and are really only medication check-ups/refills. Sorry, that was all long-winded. I just don't know where that line is drawn. I am not a threat to myself or others, and in-patient treatment has never been recommended or even suggested. Given the wording of the out-patient portion of the question ("AND a threat to self/others"), can I answer "no" to that question? Final question: Last August, I failed a pre-employment drug screen in Texas. I am a traveling contract employee, and take jobs all around the United States. Unfortunately, this facility required a second drug screen when I had arrived, and I had smoked marijuana a few days prior. The drug screen was in-facility and not sent off to a lab (I failed the initial dip test, and I denied my right to have it analyzed by a lab). The facility dropped my contract, and that was the end of that. If I mark "no" to having failed a drug test in the last year, will this come back to affect me? Should I just wait until this August to apply? This is the only drug test I've failed in the last 5 years, and I have no drug/alcohol related charges to my name. I have no criminal record, and the only thing on my record is a moving violation from 2011. Again, sorry for rehashing old questions, but I've spent hours scouring the net for answers and have been unable to find anything.