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jkdkaliman101

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  1. Felt the love from my mailman today :-)

    Now that a few of us have been through the process, our experience can/will help future applicants in knowing what to potentially expect.

     

    Applied 1/2 W/prints

    Went UBR on or abot 2/5

    Went back UR on 2/25

    Went active on 3/13

    Received license on 3/17 (3 business days)

     

    GL to all that follow and are reading this.

     

    That is the best news I have heard all day. Now lets hope my mailman is as good as yours. BTW, are you near Cook County?

    I'm in will county. ..joliet area... and to operator45. ..NICE!
  2. So my application Just came OFF of board review. if this answer was given above I apologize for repeating an answer. I spoke with a lieutenant in charge of the CCL program, maybe not in charge of the whole thing, but one of the head people. He did state that if you are under board review it is either A. The state police have objected, or B your local law enforcement agency has. In my case there was an incident from 2005 that resulted in a local ticket, not a conviction or anything. I spoke with the local LEO and they told me the reason they sent, and according to them, it is not necessarily an objection, they just send what info they have over, and the board makes the determination. I don't know if I hold that COMPLETELY true. But the other thing I learned is that even if you've had ANY interaction with the police, if you've ever had them called on you for whatever reason, and you've had to give your license and they take your info. Chances are they flag your application, in order to give them the 30 days to actually look at the reason you were spoken to. So basically if you have no convictions, and as long as the police weren't at your house or visiting you on a consistent basis. I wouldn't worry too much about it.

    welcome back to the UR crowd. Did the Lt. Give any indication how long before you would get approved? Or what exactly happens next? What "pile" Your app goes into.

    It's been two weeks since I've been back under review and I'm getting ansy. I originally applied 12/23, paid 1/2 w/prints

  3. Maybe Molly or someone would know the answer to this... If you were placed to the review board, then back to under review, should we assume we cleared the objection? Also... should we expect to be delayed on our permits being issued for the length of time we were under the board review?

    I've asked that question multiple times with no answer. ..GL finding out. Apparently it's a taboo question :-/
  4. Don't know if this helps or has any bearing on UR but I work for a municipality and have gone through several background checks, physical and mental checks and drug tests. All came back clean or I probably wouldn't be working. I have worked for 3 municipalities over last 4 years and all did the same checks with finger prints and all.

    I am a Board Review candidate. Why? I have 2 cousins and 2 uncles with the same name and I cannot vouch for them. I think name similarities are causing this. Dart is overwhelmed and just runs a name and not the full profile. I have made some calls to friends in LE and am waiting for reply.

    I will post as I hear.

    just found out recently that there is another man with the same name as me living in illinois albeit a different County that was convicted of a heinous And brutal murder, armed robbery and Aggrevated kidnapping.

     

    Kinda erie reading the report with my name in it!

  5. I am a firm believer in the 2nd amendment but if these people are being flagged legitimately I support the law enforcement agencies 100%.

     

    Short of a court order or court conviction that makes you a prohibited person (I don't even fully agree with the list of qualifiers that make you prohibited) there is no reason any LEO should be able to object let alone the board be able to deny...

     

    I support the entire Constitution and that Constitution does not grant LEO or a politically appointed group the power to arbitrarily interfere or deny anyone's protected rights based on 'opinions or feelings' without that persons day in court and being found by that court through due process to lose the rights...

     

    So unlike you I will not and can not support law enforcement in this matter as it will be abused, in fact by design it's pretty much abuse already, IMO...

    Agreed.
  6. Folks! I got some valuable and helpful information to share with everybody. For starters, absolutely do not waste your time calling the ISP to find out any information regarding anything. They barely know what they are talking about and basically parroting what they been told by upper management but seem to have trouble articulating even that. I did manage to contact a manager of ISP, I have no idea what her rank is but she definitely had great insight in how the process works. She told me for starters, if your application was placed under Board Review, that could only be done by ISP or a local law enforcement agency period. As far as a letter being sent out to you, the ISP has up to 90 days if you had your live scan submitted or 120 days if you did not to either deny or approve your application. That said you may not get a letter period during this time up until the final decision to approve or deny. ISP call center folks will tell you that you will get a letter but that is not going to be within 7 to 30 days as they have been wrongfully telling everybody. Adding to this, the board or review during this period will on their own either deny the LEO's claim and go ahead and approve the applicant at which point the applicant will not be notified other than his status will change to "approved." If the Board requires more info then they will contact you with instructions how to proceed further. If at the end of the 90 or 120 days you were denied, again you will have directions on how to appeal. I was also told by this higher up staff that they cannot control what LEO objects to but unless they have documentation and proof that you are a clear and present danger they will not be able to get your permit denied and she dared anybody to prove her wrong.

     

    I also called Gat Guns to see what they knew and evidently the woman in charge of the CCW class was saying if LEO Objected to your application, the review board would most likely side with them because they figure if a law enforcement agency obects then it must be true. I do not have to have a law degree to know she does not know how the law works.

     

    Although your exuberance is appreciated, you really didn't add anything to the original post of this thread and actually may have included some misinformation.

     

    1) "if your application was placed under Board Review, that could only be done by ISP or a local law enforcement agency period" Common knowledge

    2) "As far as a letter being sent out to you, the ISP has up to 90 days if you had your live scan submitted or 120 days" Common knowledge

    3)".........and go ahead and approve the applicant at which point the applicant will not be notified other than his status will change to "approved" I addressed that in point number three in the OP

    4) " If the Board requires more info then they will contact you with instructions how to proceed further. If at the end of the 90 or 120 days you were denied, again you will have directions on how to appeal" If they require more info from the Applicant, the ISP or the objecting agency they MAY request more information or time to review if needed. Otherwise the board will make a decision within a thirty day time period (the ISP also has ten days to get an objected application to the board for review per section 87 of the FCCL)

    5) "I was also told by this higher up staff that they cannot control what LEO objects to but unless they have documentation and proof that you are a clear and present danger they will not be able to get your permit denied" True that they have no control over the nature of an objection. False that they need proof that you are a "clear and present danger". They only need reasonable suspicion that you are a danger to yourself or others to file an objection. The board then decides if there is a preponderance of evidence to support that claim. Clear and present danger applies to the FOID ACT and the eligibility to receive or maintain a FOID card.

    6) your last statement in which you mention your conversation with a Gat Guns staff member contradicts what the ISP manager told you. The manager "dared to prove her wrong" in her affirmation that it's unlikely an applicant would be denied. The woman in charge of the CCW class evidently thinks otherwise

     

    To add to that, "truth" is relative. You could potentially have 5 different law enforcement personal look at the same app and have differing opinions on the applicants "danger" risk.

     

    Thanks for making the effort though.

  7. I believe the state/ISP are viewing this as a bi-level criteria concerning firearms. Certain criteria pertaining to owning and another criteria for carrying one in public. Kind of like a driver's license and a CDL.

     

    They can't change FOID law, at least not without a fight.

    this.... Oh and rat...wa'sup? You just completely did a 180 in a split second. Did you have an epiphany or see my other post that said pretty much exactly what you just said? Lol. .it was getting frustrating reading your posts "there going to take your FOID!!!" But then WHAM. .the switch flipped
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    6) (and as far as I'm concerned one of the most reassuring bit of info) a denial by the board to receive a CCL does NOT mean your FOID gets revoked! The only aspect of denial that would cause someone to lose their FOID is if in the objection process something was uncoveredin your history that goes directly against the list of FOID eligibility Requirements, which is highly unlikely if the individual has an FOID, out of state permit and firearm purchases through nics.

     

     

    The problem is that the primary thing the reviewing officers are looking for is evidence that someone is a danger to themselves or others. If you're denied based on that evidence, the state would almost have to revoke your FOID since that's one of the disqualifying criteria.

    not necessarily true. An applicant could have been arrested for verbally threatening to harm someone in a road rage incident or maybe a domestic arrest neither of which resulted in a conviction for example that caused the LE officer to flag them. The board decides "yes this person could be a threat in carrying a concealed firearm"

     

    Neither of those arrests are are disqualifiers in holding a FOID though.

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