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  1. Below is an historical tracking of Average Days Processing of FOID (new and renewal), CCL (new only), and FTIP transactions as reported by the Illinois State Police.

     

    Processing Statistics
    Source- https://isp.illinois.gov/Foid
    Month/ Year New FOID application Average Processing Time (Days) Renewal FOID application Average Processing Time (Days) New Non-Fingerprint CCL Average Processing Time (Days) New Fingerprint CCL Average Processing Time (Days) FTIP Average Processing Time (Hours) Source
    11/2020 121.71 199.9 160.35 130.58 79.4 Website
    12/2020 122.47 242.44 158.84 121.05 36.25 Website
    01/2021 121.74 266.77 154.76 122.22 62.25 Website
    02/2021 118.89 305.02 166.02 156.55 71 Website
    03/2021 126.35 176.54 160.04 136.91 50 Website
    04/2021 140.39 187.69 162.49 142.79 48.75 Website
    05/2021 206.84 218.2 152.1 182.63 13 Website
    06/2021 206.93 221.2 181.62 138.85 17.2 Website
    07/2021 188.95 143.82 143.74 131.79 23.3 Website
    08/2021 196.74 258.16 167 136.44 7.75 Website
    09/2021 149.47 146.59 146.64 117.78 36 Website
    10/2021 121.3 38.91 130.32 100.49 31 Website
    11/2021 97.04 35.98 126.97 110.7 41 Website
    12/2021 50.42 53.16 122.05 86.99 58 Website
    01/2022 21.74 34.51 115.12 78.36 41.75 Website
    02/2022 19.8 33.46 115.38 110.89 41.75 Website
    03/2022 17.38 23.8 132 101.34 49 Website

     

     

     

     

     

  2. With the release of the March, 2022 processing activity, below is an analysis of data provided on the ISP Statistics Web page (https://isp.illinois.gov/Foid/Statistics) and the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS) site (https://www.fbi.gov/services/cjis/nics😞
    • FOID/ CCL backlog Analysis
    • Items (Calculations/ Data anomalies) noted on the ISP Statistics Web Site
    • National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS) Illinois State Police data analysis
    A summary of the backlog activity is:
    Analysis for
    March, 2022
    New Aps /  Trans Received Processed Estimated Backlog Notes:
    Current Month Prior Month % Change Current Month Prior Month % Change Current Month Prior Month % Change
    FOID New Applications   14,091  10,665 32.1    16,100     11,923 35.0      6,435      8,444 (23.8)  
    FOID Renewal Applications   14,929  10,136 47.3    15,950     17,708 (9.9)     (3,356)     (2,335) 43.7  
    CCL New Applications     4,471    3,387 32.0      5,039       4,561 10.5      3,187      1,997 59.6  
    CCL Renewal Applications             -            - -              -               - -              -              - - Not reported by ISP
    FTIPS Transactions   46,062  34,749 32.6    46,062     34,749 32.6              -              - -  
    Portfolio   79,553  58,937 35.0    83,151     68,941 20.6      6,266      8,106 (22.7)  
     
    In an effort to reconcile the backlog calculated in the analysis and what the ISP calculates, and occasionally publishes as a backlog, a Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request was submitted to the ISP relating to the backlogs. The ISP responded noting that the total FOID backlog (open processing greater than 30 days since receipt) of 165,534 as of April, 30, 2021. In the analysis, the total calculated backlog is 168,409 as of April 30, 2021. ISP did not break the backlog between New and Renewal applications. As the difference of 2,875 is just 1.71%  of the calculated backlog, the difference can be viewed as immaterial and a validation of the backlog calculation methodology. Until the ISP can break out the backlog between new and renewal applications, due to the immaterial nature of the difference, an adjustment will not be made to the backlog in this analysis. Additionally, in December, 2021 the Illinois State Police published, via a press release, that the FOID renewal backlog was at 7,800. For analytical purposes, the FOID renewal backlog was increased by 11,823 to bring the end of (month) November, 2021 backlog to 7,800.

     

    Average Processing Time

    Changes between February, 2022 and March, 2022 are:

      Mar, 2022 Feb, 2022 Difference % Change
    New FOID application Average Processing Time (Days)        17.38            19.80         (2.42)             (12.22)
    Renewal FOID application Average Processing Time (Days)        23.80            33.46         (9.66)             (28.87)
    New Non-Fingerprint CCL Average Processing Time (Days)      132.00          115.38         16.62              14.40
    New Fingerprint CCL Average Processing Time (Days)      101.34          110.89         (9.55)               (8.61)
    FTIP Average Processing Time (Hours) 49.00            41.75           7.25              17.37

     

    New CCL Applications (both fingerprint and non-fingerprint) above  the statutory requirements.

      Mar, 2022 Statutory Requirement Difference % Change from Statutory Requirement
    New FOID application Average Processing Time (Days) 17.38 30.00          (12.62)                 (42.07)
    Renewal FOID application Average Processing Time (Business Days) 23.80 60.00          (36.20)                 (60.33)
    New Non-Fingerprint CCL Average Processing Time (Days) 132.00 120.00   12.00  10.00
    New Fingerprint CCL Average Processing Time (Days) 101.34 90.00 11.34  12.60
    FTIP Average Processing Time (Hours) 49.00 72.00 (23.00) (31.94)

     

     

    National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS) Illinois State Police data analysis
    Included is an analysis of ISP related NICS data. A summary of activity:
     
      March, 2022
    NICS Analysis for March, 2022 IL Only All NICS IL as a % of all NICS
    Prior Month      308,269     2,514,818 12.26
    Current Month      385,030     3,014,465 12.77
    Current Month YTD   1,167,252     8,062,379 14.48
    YTD Prior Year (Mar-2021)   3,332,055   12,328,744           27.03
     
  3. February, 2022 ISP FOID/CCL Processing- With the release of the February, 2022 processing activity, below is some analysis of data provided on the ISP Statistics Web page (https://isp.illinois.gov/Foid/Statistics

     

    A summary of the backlog activity is:

    Analysis for
    February, 2022

    New Aps /  Trans Received

    Processed

    Estimated Backlog

    Notes:

    Current Month

    Prior Month

    % Chg

    Current Month

    Prior Month

    % Chg

    Current Month

    Prior Month

    % Chg

    FOID New Applications

      10,665

     12,003

    (11.1)

       11,923

        16,159

    (26.2)

         8,444

         9,702

    (13.0)

     

    FOID Renewal Applications

      10,136

     15,940

    (36.4)

       17,708

        31,304

    (43.4)

        (2,335)

         5,237

    (144.6)

     

    CCL New Applications

        3,387

       3,603

    (6.0)

         4,561

          4,627

    (1.4)

         1,997

         1,892

    5.5

     

    CCL Renewal Applications

                -

               -

    -

                 -

                  -

    -

                 -

                 -

    -

    Not reported by ISP

    FTIPS Transactions

      34,749

     33,828

    2.7

       34,749

        33,828

    2.7

                 -

                 -

    -

     

    Portfolio

      58,937

     65,374

    (9.8)

       68,941

        85,918

    (19.8)

         8,106

       16,831

    (51.8)

     

     

    In an effort to reconcile the backlog calculated in the analysis and what the ISP calculates, and occasionally publishes as a backlog, a Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request was submitted to the ISP relating to the backlogs. The ISP responded noting that the total FOID backlog (open processing greater than 30 days since receipt) of 165,534 as of April, 30, 2021. In the analysis, the total calculated backlog is 168,409 as of April 30, 2021. ISP did not break the backlog between New and Renewal applications. As the difference of 2,875 is just 1.71%  of the calculated backlog, the difference can be viewed as immaterial and a validation of the backlog calculation methodology. Until the ISP can break out the backlog between new and renewal applications, due to the immaterial nature of the difference, an adjustment will not be made to the backlog in this analysis. Additionally, in December, 2021 the Illinois State Police published, via a press release, that the FOID renewal backlog was at 7,800. For analytical purposes, the FOID renewal backlog was increased by 11,823 to bring the end of (month) November, 2021 backlog to 7,800.

     

    Average Processing Time

    Changes between February, 2022 and January,  2022 are:

     

    Feb, 2022

    Jan, 2022

    Difference

    % Change

    New FOID application Average Processing Time (Days)

           19.80

               21.74

            (1.94)

                  (8.92)

    Renewal FOID application Average Processing Time (Days)

           33.46

               34.51

            (1.05)

                  (3.04)

    New Non-Fingerprint CCL Average Processing Time (Days)

         115.38

             115.12

              0.26

                   0.23

    New Fingerprint CCL Average Processing Time (Days)

         110.89

               78.36

            32.53

                 41.51

    FTIP Average Processing Time (Hours)

    41.75

               41.75

                 -  

                       -  

     

    The ISP average processing time for New CCL Applications (Non Fingerprint), FTIP reviews, New and Renewal FOID applications have landed below the statutory requirements. The ISP does not report on CCL renewals.

     

    Feb, 2022

    Statutory Requirement

    Difference

    % Change from Statutory Requirement

    New FOID application Average Processing Time (Days)

    19.80

    30.00

             (10.20)

                    (34.00)

    Renewal FOID application Average Processing Time (Business Days)

    33.46

    60.00

             (26.54)

                    (44.23)

    New Non-Fingerprint CCL Average Processing Time (Days)

    115.38

    120.00

                (4.62)

                       (3.85)

    New Fingerprint CCL Average Processing Time (Days)

    110.89

    90.00

               20.89

                      23.21

    FTIP Average Processing Time (Hours)

    41.75

    72.00

             (30.25)

                    (42.01)

     

     

           

    National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS) Illinois State Police data analysis

    Included is an analysis of ISP related NICS data. A summary of activity: (https://www.fbi.gov/services/cjis/nics)

     

    Feb-2022

    NICS Analysis for
    Feb-2022

    IL Only

    All NICS

    IL as a % of All NICS

    Prior Month

    473,953

    2,533,096

    18.71

    Current Month

          308,269

    2,514,818

    12.26

    Current Month YTD

          782,222

    5,047,914

    15.50

    YTD Prior Year (Feb-2021)

      1,904,138

         7,683,135

             24.78

     

     

    Overall Analysis Notes

    Overview:

    This is an analysis of the Illinois State Police (ISP) information for new Firearm Owners Identification (FOID) applications, new Concealed Carry License (CCL) applications, and Firearms Transfer Inquiry Program (FTIP) transactions. The purpose of the analysis is to independently “re-calculate”/ verify the backlog of FOID and CCL applications from information published by the ISP. Due to the limitation of data made available by the ISP, a majority of the analysis focuses on new FOID, renewal FOID, and new CCL applications. FTIP transactions are added into the analysis as similar data is analyzed and similar resources may be used to analyze FOID, CCL, and FTIP items.

     

    Methodology/Constraints:

    Due to data availability, the initial calculation of the backlogs for new FOIL and CCL applications starts in January, 2020. For Renewal FOID applications, the calculation starts in March, 2020 to coincide with the publication of data. To calculate the backlog, the number of new applications received is reduced by the number of decisions, approved or denied, given.  Subsequent monthly backlogs (new applications less approved and denied applications) are then included in the initial backlog to determine the cumulative backlog. Please note that the overall cumulative backlog is probably understated, but this methodology, when applied over time, will show the overall status (or trend) of a backlog. As this analysis has been ongoing, information has been requested either directly from ISP or via Illinois Legislature representatives’ offices. In December, 2021 the Illinois State Police published, via a press release, that the FOID renewal backlog was at 7,800. For analytical purposes, the FOID renewal backlog was increased by 11,823 to bring the end of (month) November, 2021 backlog to 7,800.

     

  4. On 3/31/2022 at 6:14 PM, Rmac702 said:

    That's an interesting point you brought up.  Law enforcement can run your card number if they feel like it, but not having an expiration date just adds another level of work for them in non-serious situations.

     

    That is only part of the picture. Law enforcement has always had the ability to run the "number". In fact, in the system (LEADS), your vehicle registration is tied to you drivers license, which is tied to the CCL (and FOID). So whenever your license plate is run, it will pull the CCL information for any of the registrants of the vehicle.  This has been in place for a while. (In the vehicle, the information is retrieved, but on a page that requires the LEO to navigate towards)

     

    Now, by requiring a FOID lookup for ammo purchases, the ISP will now have the ability to track the usage for a all of your "simple" ammunition purchases. (This was not the case before). Now the ISP will be can expand the tracking of the law abiding gun owner.

     

    If the ISP goes to the "Smart Phone/Card" technology, the tracking ability would be further enhanced. This potentially could be the time and location that the "card" was retrieved.

     

    Just some food for thought.

  5. On 3/23/2022 at 6:02 PM, davel501 said:

    Good to see someone holding them accountable.

     

    Based on what the ISP has stated, the issuance of the original FOID was done because the state of Mississippi did not enter Martins conviction into one of the criminal databases. So no matter how many times that he had a NICS check done, he would not have shown up as a felon. Per ISP, it was not until he submitted his CCL application with fingerprints that his felony was "discovered". Once the felony was discovered, that is when the FOD was revoked and where the ISP did not follow up on the revocation.

     

    So, it appears that the alleged lack of data entry of the conviction into a database would have simply denied Martin the FOID. Now, instead of fixing the data processing issue, we have the call for fingerprints for FOIDS and potentially background checks for ammo purchases. If there is/was no change in the processes, the unfortunate situation could happen again. I really think that many have lost sight of that. Not sure if the new laws passed are really "common sense".

  6. On 3/23/2022 at 5:02 PM, davel501 said:

     

    That seems like just the sort of predicament that the state deserves. I still can't believe the state never got sued for the Pratt shooting. Firearms should be left to the Feds, like immigration.

    The Illinois State Police were named in a law suit.

     

    https://www.rapoportlaw.com/helpful-information/firm-news/henry-pratt-company-mass-shooting-lawsuit-filed/

  7. On 3/10/2022 at 8:51 AM, davel501 said:

    That makes 4 in total so far.

    Just out of curiosity, for all of the cards, is the AL "number" the same on any of the cards? (No need to publish the numbers, just a yes/ no answer would be good. (Form what we have seen so far has been the last eight digits of the AL number would correspond the date that the card is sent to the print queue) As the AL number is supposed to be used for security purposes going forward, it would be interesting to see if two cards were issued with the same AL "number".

  8. On 2/22/2022 at 10:25 AM, Jeepdude said:

    Indeed would like a new card with the CCL noted. Hopefully they are aware of who received the cards with a Y.

     

    I was able to talk to a representative from the ISP about the issue, solution, and a way to potentially monitor the situation.

     

    Issue:

    The overall issue is two fold. One, is the indicator on some cards may say "Y" where it should say "CCL". This was a programming error. Issue two is that on the bottom of some cards (where the FOID "cardholder" also has an active CCL) the wording on the bottom of the card states: This does not authorize the carrying of a concealed weapon. This is incorrect. This issue was caused by the use of an "incorrect card blank".

     

    Solution:

    This ISP is currently reviewing previous cards issued. If it is noted that the cards have one or both of the issues (for FOID/CCL combined cards) the ISP is going to reissue the cards. This process may take some time. After the cards have been printed, the ISP says to allow 30-45 days for mailing.

     

    Potential Monitoring:

    As the cards are going through the "reissuance process", you might be able to monitor some of the progress. If you go to your ISP online account, you might note that the print date (Of the CCL Card) has changed. If this date has changed, it should signify that your card will be reissued, printed, and mailed to you. Once again, it may take 30-45 days to mail. (For a real life experience, my CCL says it was printed on 2/14/2022- where (my renewal) was printed in August, 2021. I am still waiting from my new card in the mail.) 

     

    Recap/ Suggestion:

    I had an issue with my card. I am lucky enough to live in somewhat close proximity to one of the ISP kiosks. The representative was not only helpful but extremely knowledge able about all of the moving pieces and she gave me an update on the situation. She stated that this may impact several (many) cards, and was hopefully that the ISP would communicate more, to a larger audience,  as to an update and the number of cards impacted. With any luck, the ISP should be able to rectify the situation without any further intervention from the "cardholder". If,

    after an extended period of time and you do not see any action, you may need to reach out to the ISP to remedy the situation.

     

    Good luck to all who have been effected!

  9. On 2/17/2022 at 4:13 PM, dcar_roll said:

    it has a letter Y listed under the indicator field and not CCL as I thought it was to have!

     

     

    It looks our cards may have been in the same "batch" as my card has the same characteristics. 2 questions-

     

    1) What are the last eight digits of your AL? This is the date that the card is issued. The last eight digits of mine are 01282022. On the ISP website, the FOID expiration should be 10 years after the date imbedded in the AL number. This appears to be the issued/ printed date.

     

    2) On your card, is there reference in red on the bottom of the card to a concealed weapon? On my card it states that "This does not authorize the carrying of a concealed weapon"

     

    Reason being here is that I it appears that some cards may have been printed in error with contradictory information. I have been working (as best I can) with the ISP to get a resolution to the issue. Currently there are three other card with an issue like this, but any information you provide would be helpful.

  10. On 2/15/2022 at 5:24 PM, Roger Z said:

    This is of course confusing but not totally unexpected.

     

    This situation never should have been expected. Anticipated, maybe, but it should not have been expected.  The chain of events and logic you layout seem reasonable to justify what happened. But the issuance of the card with a conflicting Indicator and verbiage as to conceal carry is not permitted is, probably,  in the favorite term of the Director of the ISP, "unacceptable". In my opinion, the ISP could have prevented this issue by issuing the FOID in the old format, with an expirations date (until it got the new new card stock).

     

    Also, this shows that the ISP has little to no controls over it processes. The ISP was very quick to issue press releases with the new card and the new format with out the the conflicting language. Yet it failed in the final delivery. Someone in the ISP should have caught this. If the ISP uses a "fulfillment" or card printing vendor, the vendor should have been notified of the specific changes. Either way, someone should have caught the issue ISP or potential vendor.

     

    Going further upstream, the ISP might not be the only ones culpable. The General Legislature passed the bill that consolidated the FOID/CCL in late June under the premise that the bill was needed urgently to fix the backlog. Also, the bill was passed as the session was winding down, in haste, as legislators using a video conference "exception" or were rushing to get home. The governor waited over one month (between his vacation schedule and probably waiting for a photo opportunity) to sign the bill.

     

    All of these factors put the recourse/ technology/ project management strapped ISP in a precarious situation to make (and hopefully test) major changes to systems/ processes of  an organization that received an adverse (rare) operational audit opinion from an external auditor.

     

    Now, would this impact an individual? in reality, I am not sure. Maybe local law enforcement (Illinois) would use LEADS and know what to expect (and ignore the language on the bottom of the card) . As for other states that might accept the Illinois CCL, I do not know. Maybe the out of state agency would have electronic access to the CCL information. Or maybe, just maybe, the out of state law enforcement agent would see the wording and detain an individual further to research the situation. I am really hoping that the ISP holds up to its' directors pledge to make things easier on the good guys. Maybe we are not there yet. Or maybe law abiding "cardholders" are not really the good guys. (Makes you think)

     

    So anticipated- yes. But as a stakeholder and a tax payor, this type of outcome should never be expected. The ISP should get the 5 "P" award- Piss Poor Prior Proper Planning. Or better yet- 8 Ps- Piss Poor Prior Proper Planning Produces Poor Performance

     

  11. On 2/15/2022 at 2:40 PM, spanishjames said:

    My wife's new card says "CCL" after indicator. She had a regular CCL, and renewed her FOID card. Received the new combined card a few weeks after renewal. 

    Does your wife's combined card, which has an indicator of "CCL", have the wording (on the front bottom portion of the combined card) of:  This does not authorize the carrying of a concealed weapon."

     

    That correlation I am trying to make here is that on some (or many) of the newly issued "combined" FOID/CCL "cards" that if:

     

    Indicator = "Y" then wording on the front (bottom) of the card says:  "This does not authorize the carrying of a concealed weapon."

    -or-

    Indicator = "CCL" then wording on the front (bottom) of the card says:  "This does not authorize the carrying of a concealed weapon." IS NOT INCLUDED ON THE FRONT OF THE CARD.

     

    I am just looking to see if there was a "printing" (or use of incorrect materials) when the cards were produced. This would be somewhat consistent with the issue that ISP had last year. Last year, from January to April the ISP admitted that about 1% of the cards issued January to April had incorrect pictures on the card (https://abc7chicago.com/foid-card-illinois-application-)renewal/10768765/) As a side note, over 176,000 FOID cards, (new and renewal) were issued from January to April, 2021.

  12. On 2/14/2022 at 3:28 PM, Jackleg said:

    No CCL indicator, only "Y" as an indicator. 

    I think that the indicator "Y" is supposed to mean that you are a CCL "cardholder". It look like our cards were printed on the same day. One question for you- On the bottom of the front of your card is there wording that states: "Caution: This card does not permit bearer to UNLAWFULLY carry or use firearms. This does not authorize the carrying of a concealed weapon."

     

    I think that if does say this, the indicator would be contradictory to the disclaimer on the bottom.

  13. I do know and always respect the carrying of the CCL card. Why did the ISP go on a PR blitz to say that to modernize the FOID there was only going to be ONE card for FOID and CCL card holders. https://www.wcia.com/news/state-police-remind-of-foid-card-changes-in-new-year/

     

    I do understand that to carry, I must have a CCL card to carry. The ISP "sold us" on a consolidated card in order to "fix" things. I get a non consolidated card? Really? Does the ISP even read their own press release or look to follow-up on demo cards that it release to the public via the press?

     

    The ISP has set a new level on ineptitude.

  14. Received "new" FOID "card" today in the mail. (I have a CCL that was renewed, with finger prints last August) The new card does NOT have a formal issue date (the "Print date" is buried in the AL number) nor does it have and expiration date. The card does have an "indicator" on the card that is set to "Y".  The card also states that it "does not authorize the carrying of a concealed carry weapon"

     

    As for my card processing:

    Previous card expired: 5/1/2022

    Renewal Submitted: 12/8/2021

    Card Print date: 1/28/2022

    Card received: 2/11/2022

     

    So, what would the point of having an indicator on the card (which should relate to CCL status), yet the card says it "does not authorize the carrying of a concealed carry weapon" Also, if the card was really to be "modernized", why does the card not any barcoding, a QR code or a RFID chip for ease of processing. My overall expectations were for the indicator to say "CCL" and for there to be no restrictions listed on the license. I got these expectations from the press release sent out by the ISP as well as their sample cards.

     

    My point being (to the ISP), why even bother. I would understand if the new card a consolidated card, but to send out a new card with no expiration date? I will still have to carry two cards.

     

    I have to say that the ISP is continuing its tradition of "unacceptable" (The Director's assessment) behaviors/ outcomes.

     

     

  15. On 1/22/2022 at 11:33 AM, jlowrie said:

    Looks like it is working as intended which is surprising for Illinois.  

     

    I am glad things are working for you. For me, it is the state working at its usual logic/speed/ efficiency.

     

    FOID Expires 4/1/2022

    CCL Expires 5/2026 (with fingerprints, for what it is worth)

     

    Renewed FOID on Website on 12/8/2021 (Hoping to get an "old" FOID card)

     

    From 12/8/2021 to 1/5/2022 received message (Online): "We have received your submission and your payment was successful. We have not yet reviewed any aspect of your application. It is in the verification queue."

     

    From 1/6/2022 to 1/22/2022 (today) received message (Online):  "Your submission successfully completed the background review and has been sent to await printing."

     

    Today (1/22/2022) received a letter from ISP, dated 12/21/2021 and postmarked 1/18/2022 stating that my FOID was up for renewal. The letter did note that if I renewed before expiration, the FOID would be considered valid. It also stated the COVID extensions. There was no mention whatsoever of the new law in which I would not need to renew if my CCL expires later than my FOID.

     

    I would not have posted this at all if I did not receive the letter. Now considering the letter is dated 14 days after my application, and the letter was sent (postmarked) over 25 days after it was dated and 12 days after my application was approved, I think that the state is back to its money/time wasting processes.

  16. On 1/18/2022 at 4:17 PM, John Q Public said:

    I did get a letter to renew. I did so and it took just about 90 days to get it done with a valid CCL, Instructor and prints on file for instructor. All in all not bad, but they still have a massive backlog of people waiting for extended periods... most of which applied long ago. It's nice they are getting them out now, but they should have dealt with the huge backlog first. My2

     

    I agree with you 100%. It is very interesting to note that the ISP does not publish (on their dashboard) any statistics on CCL renewals. They have new/renewal FOID, FTIP, and new CCL information, but nothing on Renewal CCLs. It seems that is the "junk drawer" of application processing. 

  17. On 12/20/2021 at 9:37 AM, Molly B. said:

    I have presented the question to ISP:  For ammo sales, why aren't dealers offered the option to look at the issue date and just add 10 years?

     

    From a cynical point of view- If you are not issued an expiration date on an "identity card", to check on the validity of the card, you would need to verify with the issuer. By "requiring" to validate with the issuer, the issuer now has the ability not only to verify the identity, but to also track the usage (or view requests) of the card.  So any "transaction" which would require the presentation of a valid FOID card could be tracked. Also, please keep in mind that this could be done by other systems. For example, when your license plate number is placed into to the "system" for verification, if the registrants driver licence is attached to a FOID card, the FOID card information is pulled in conjunction with the plate. If (and this is a big if) the ISP is going to track all verifications of the validation of FOIDS, they could track anytime the FOID information is pulled in correlation to the running of a license plate number. (Obviously, this could also be done now)

     

    I am not saying this is the explicit intent, but can show some of the uses by requiring consistent validation of a card number vs. having a static expiration date placed on a card.

     

    Paranoia- maybe a little. A view to the future- you be the judge.

  18. On 12/19/2021 at 3:21 PM, Euler said:

    There has never been a law or any other requirement to have a FOID to shoot at any range, except for the company policies of the ranges themselves. They'll probably just live with not knowing the exp date, but that's up to them.

     

    The reason for having a valid FOID at the range is usually not only for "company policy" but also for insurance purposes. For underwritting purposes, insurance carrries will require FOID verificaton. So with the new proposed process, and the "appearent" varibility of the FOID status/ expiration, we might need to get used to longer lines to go to the range. Also, if you go to the range to shoot, and in a seperate transaction you purchase some ammo, you will get two checks on your FOID. I am not sure what the ISP would do with this information, but I am sure somepne will do something with it.

     

    Also, how will the DNR deal with this? If you are out hunting, and you are requested to supply your FOID in a random check, what happens if there is no cell service? How would the agent verify the expiration of the FOID? I would hope that the ISP/ Legislature/ Governor have thought this one out and have plans in place to address this.

  19. On 9/23/2021 at 2:18 PM, FF17 said:

    My FOID expires 1-1-22,  my CCL expires 8-21-24.

    can I go ahead and submit for FOID renewal?

     

    Bottom line is you should be able to start your FOID renewal in early November, 2021.

     

    Under current law, the Illinois State Police are supposed to send out a renewal notification for your FOID 60 days before the expiration of your FOID (that would be the beginning of November for you). Instead of waiting for the letter, I would suggest that you go online on the ISP website and review your account. If the renewal button is available, you can click on the button and start the renewal process. The renewal button should be available in the beginning of November. You might want to check earlier than November as there have been some instances where the renewal process has been opened up early. This should get you on your way to renewal.

     

    Now, on January 1st (2022) things are supposed to change. For one, the notification period for FOID renewal goes from 60 days to 180 days. So, theoretically, after 1/1/2022 the ISP should send out renewal notices 180 days before expiration. And although the law does not spell it out, the assumption would be that the renewal "button" would be active be active on an account 180 before expiration. As the change does not go into effect until 1/1/2022, I would not expect the new extended notification period to kick in until after 1/1/2022.

     

    Also, where there might be some variability on the process, on 1/1/2022 a new process is rolling out. This is what is supposed to go into effect (430 ILCS 65/7): (https://www.ilga.gov/legislation/ilcs/ilcs3.asp?ActID=1657&ChapterID=39)

     

    (c) Beginning January 1, 2022, if the Firearm Owner's Identification Card of a licensee under the Firearm Concealed Carry Act expires during the term of the licensee's concealed carry license, the Firearm Owner's Identification Card and the license remain valid during the validity of the concealed carry license and the licensee does not have to renew his or her Firearm Owner's Identification Card, if the Firearm Owner's Identification Card has not been otherwise renewed as provided in this Act. Unless the Illinois State Police has reason to believe the licensee is no longer eligible for the card, the Illinois State Police may automatically renew the licensee's Firearm Owner's Identification Card.

     

    I am not sure how the ISP intends to roll this out or how they will roll out the new process. I am not a lawyer, but it appears that since your FOID expires on 1/1/2022, and your CCL is valid until August, 2024, that you would not need to renew your FOID and it would be valid until August, 2024.

     

    So to get back to your original question- You should be able to renew in early November, 2021. The new law looks to give some additional options going forward. Hope that this helps, and I apologize for the extended response, but "things are a changing".

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