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  1. Did you know the police will now get a warrant and take yours guns from your home if you don't voluntarily take them in?

     

    And they can do this with you never knowing an OP was filed against you.

     

    The Sergeant told me this is policy now.

     

    I'm pretty sure Molly will have much better answers then me.

    PM her.

    I was just wondering if once you had a valid FOID in hand, did you get your guns back?

    As for concealed carrying you will need a physical CCL.

    Since you are Active and the ISP has it, why haven't they returned it?

  2. FALSE OP granted 6/9

    FOID revoked, CCL suspended 6/9

    FOID,CCL,FIREARMS taken by local police 6/12

     

    Judge VACATED OP 6/29, ordered immediate firearm rights restoration. Appeals filed to firearms bureau.

     

    9/10 FOID ACTIVE AND RECEIVED

    10/20 CCL ACTIVE NOT RECEIVED

    10/25 FAXED DIRECTOR KELLY FOR RETURN OF CCL CARD

     

    10/25 VISITED LOCAL PD, TOlD I CAN NOT CARRY WITHOUT CCL CARD, AND WILL BE ARRESTED FOR FELONY FIREARM POSSESION DESPITE ACTIVE CCL AND CARD HELD IN STATE POSESSION.

     

    What do I do?

    Did you get your guns back after your FOID was received?

    If not, that would be my first step. Then I would send Brandan Kelly another certified letter.

    Ask him where your ACTIVE CCL is because you didn't receive it.

    Molly will probably have a better answer.

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    First I sent the Complete FOID CCL package (cost $80) requesting the Appeal to active status:

     

    NOTHING HAPPENED

     

    Then I filed the recommended OP dismissed letter with the Court Order (cost $30):

     

    NOTHING HAPPENED

     

     

    I have tried calling more times than Judus asked for forgiveness.

     

     

    Today I sent the complete Court Package of 18 pages by FAX ($14) and by Certified mail ($15) to Formally request a CCL Appeal DECISION by Brandan Kelly

     

    Hello Mr Director, it has been five months since the Circuit Judge ordered my FOID, CCL, and Firearms back immediately.

     

     

     

    To:

    Director Brandan Kelly

    Illinois State Police

    801 S 7th Street

    Springfield, IL 62703

    Fax:

    217 782 9139

     

     

    "To Serve (how) and Protect (by taking away guns on a unverified, undisputed, no defendent representation order!)"

     

    " Better to take away guns from 99 innocent law abiding citizens than to let 1 person keep a gun that might somehow, someday, be possibly used inappropriately"

     

    Can anyone clarify how to file a Petition in the Circuit Court asking for reinstatement of a wrongfully suspended CCL License?

     

    Example of Petition, included paperwork, time required to get a hearing, result of hearing?

     

     

    Sent first letter to Kelly 10-8-2020 by fax and certified mail:

     

    NO RESPONSE

     

    Sent second letter to Kelly 10-20-2020 by fax and Certified mail

     

    CCL TO ACTIVE

     

     

    NOW TO GET MY GUNS BACK AFTER FIVE MONTHS.

     

    NOW WE WILL SEE HOW LONG IT TAKES TO RELEASE MY WEAPONS FROM THE EVIDENCE VAULT!

     

     

     

    I would be pretty happy after all of that.

    5 months and you get your guns back.

    On 10/9 you didn't even think there was a "Brendan F. Kelly".

    Get your guns back and stay away from whoever filed the EOP on you.

    This is Illinois, 5 months is like 5 days.

     

    Have you ever seen "The Wrath of Khan"?

    Spock:

    "The situation is grave, Admiral. We won't have main power for six "days". Auxiliary power has temporarily failed.

    Restoration may be possible, in two "days". By the book, Admiral."

     

    It's all clever lies, The Wrath of JB.

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    Sounds confusing... who owns the rifle?

     

    You should get your FOID.

    Confusing and or a little murky.

     

    Good advice about the FOID. My wife doesn't shoot (yet). But she has a FOID, just so she could legally "posess" firearms should something happen to me.

    So you currently "posess" but don't have a FOID?

     

     

     

    My question is what kind of rifle is this? Unless it's very valuable or has significant sentimental value it's probably not with the trouble adding the complication to your already complicated situation.

     

    Sell/consign it at a local shop (if legal) or turn in to the police.

     

    Sell/consign it at a local shop (if legal) not legal, ex didn't transfer it and it's his gun that he should of taken care of in 48 hours.

    Turn in to the police, legal and statute requires this to happen in 48 hours after FOID revocation notice received.

    The whole thing is a mess with missing details, turn it in and be done with it.

    Let cops check box "My firearms are being retained by a law enforcement entity."

    Rifle is probably never seen again.

  5. ISP = cops

    Yes, whats your point?

    The ex has a revoked FOID.

    The SIL doesn't want the rifle in her house.

    The law says he has to turn in the FOID to the police.

    He also has to complete THE ILLINOIS STATE POLICE FIREARM DISPOSITION RECORD

    How long does he have to turn in his FOID and get rid of any firearms?

    Which is actually spelled out: You are required to comply with these requirements within 48 hours of receiving notice from the Illinois State Police (430 ILCS 65/9.5)

    Did he receive notice? From the OP I would say yes.

  6.  

    Greetings all.

     

    This is my first topic, kindly excuse my ignorance. I do not have a FOID card, but my wife does. My stepson is a county deputy and lives with us. My SIL recently finalized a divorce from her ex (not an evil guy, just a loser) whose card is revoked. She wants to move a rifle out of the house.

     

    Can my wife keep the weapon at our house without transferring ownership, or should it be surrendered to LE? If its surrendered, how complex is the process to reclaim it?

    Ex-husband owns the rifle. I’m appealing a FOID denial (+5 mental health prohibitor, will cover this in another topic, I know there’s a lot to read yet).

    It's the ex-husband's choice what happens to the rifle, not the sister-in-law's. Disposing of someone's property without their permission is theft. Even if he doesn't have a FOID, it's still his property.

     

    If the ex-husband doesn't have anyone with a FOID willing to hold the rifle for him, pretty much the sister-in-law's only choice (since she doesn't want it in her house) is to turn it over to the cops. Of course, if he consents to have your family hold it for him, then he does actually have someone with a FOID willing to hold it for him.

     

    But it's his decision, not hers, to make.

     

    Since she does not want the rifle in what I presume is her house and the ex has a revoked FOID, there is nothing illegal about turning it over to the ISP.

    She can say they knocked on the door and took it in response to the revoked FOID.

    Let the ex deal with it, she can legally turn it over to the ISP.

    He has had his FOID revoked and the ISP has every right to come get the card and any guns.

    https://www.ispfsb.com/Public/Firearms/FOID/RevokedFOIDCards.aspx

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    Greetings all.

     

    This is my first topic, kindly excuse my ignorance. I do not have a FOID card, but my wife does. My stepson is a county deputy and lives with us. My SIL recently finalized a divorce from her ex (not an evil guy, just a loser) whose card is revoked. She wants to move a rifle out of the house.

     

    Can my wife keep the weapon at our house without transferring ownership, or should it be surrendered to LE? If its surrendered, how complex is the process to reclaim it?

     

    Not at all legal advice...

     

    Reading your post again, it seems like your wife or stepson could take the gun, as both are eligible to have one.

    I might be concerned about you having access to it since you are currently not eligible.

     

    The SILs EX is not eligible. Does the SIL have a FOID?

    You can't return it to either of them if they are not eligible.

    She shouldn't keep it without her own FOID.

     

    If your eligible wife or stepson is holding on to it for the SIL until she is eligible, or wants it returned to her if she is eligible... it's probably (?) an OK thing for them to do.

     

    If she's just trying to keep it away from the EX because maybe he wants it back, turn it in. Explain why she's turning it in and let the EX deal with it from there.

     

    That's a good point I was going to bring up. Even if the ex shows up with someone who has a printout of the ISP transfer that their FOID is good, in the end I wouldn't take any chances.

    Because chances could be that the ex gets the rifle back from person with FOID and uses on the SIL.

    Since the deputy stepson seems to be in a tough spot, the only legal thing to do is hand the rifle over to the ISP.

    They'll take it with a phone call and explanation.

    The rifle wasn't transferred to the wife and is not in her house.

    Therefore THE ILLINOIS STATE POLICE FIREARM DISPOSITION RECORD because of the revoked FOID would have to be forged and that's not legal.

    Let the ex appeal his FOID revocation and reclaim the rifle.

  8. Why don't you let the Step Son Deputy hold the rifle until things can get sorted? Once surrendered, it can be tough to reclaim.

    If he lives with you then that's really an easy decision.

    Let him hold it, he's a LEO.

    If the ex son in law wants it back then I would think he have to have it transferred through the ISP website.

    IOWs the stepson LEO cannot legally give the rifle back to him knowing his FOID is revoked.

    If he can prove that it's being transferred to someone with a legit FOID then he still has ownership but cannot possess it.

    The question is length of time. https://www.ispfsb.com/Public/Firearms/FOID/RevokedFOIDCards.aspx?__cf_chl_jschl_tk__=326da1312de624a1f605cfba72aac8785457dfd1-1591199142-0-AaivC1Jrpg9ncy48T7Y82FRjIQzCAmy0DRBFTXCIlBJgfdGbTZi7EjYI-bLD_qQcFfKHhyz4CF_YCZC73TRVjG4bUmTt0e1kGFv9lgDTJVbyRUWtKaUnqzD0mXPgHOrKyAx_UcmeN-bQMy2zozPlCR3At_h6BW-55i9SbepvC-pJL1kpq3daX8T2O89W3sjpr6gvnHzxXlX8F3Hqp7jQ4_WNNbyKL_s0gzElN1pxmCLhpSqEsuX3w0Ak6JR2AXi8ENoSdfSmQPPm9gUvYHMMqUxQ6AmzxinN1ZFPx-GhTCwHcEivxC-SLNeUWl3iJhAyPO8rPepwPkfJXrWOwOITpcs

    You have an interesting situation going on. What does your stepson think?

  9. It's Tom Dart and his special squad of "investigators".

    He has deputies look at EVERY CCW application.

    "Cook County Sheriff Tom Dart has assigned 25 employees to screen concealed carry applications filed by anyone who has lived in Cook County during the past decade. About half of the objections filed so far have come from the Cook County Sheriff’s Office."

    My class was taught and the school was owned by cops who all worked in Cook County.

    They were very clear about avoiding anything that would get you "DARTED".

    Tom Dart simply does not want anyone to have guns except cops.

    Most cops have no problems with concealed carry.

    I actually went to this school because at another school I asked about getting fingerprinted.

    The cop that taught that school asked what the big deal was. DO YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO HIDE?

    I said no but you want $75 to do prints and everybody else is charging $60.

    That's why I say "most" cops, I hide nothing to hide but were his $75 prints better then my $60 prints?

    Anyway this 5 years old but still pertains, most of the objections are from Darts office.

     

    https://www.cookcountysheriff.org/5743-cook-county-concealed-carry-objections/

     

    He's proud of himself, 5 years ago he was objecting to about 7% of applications in Cook County.

  10. Now that I'm 70 I have witnessed the closure of jevery mom-n-pop store of my 'yoot'. I no longer recgnize the store fronts in my neighborhood, and in truth until I choose to learn Spanish I can't even read most of the window signs to be certain what goods they are offering to those who can. Such is the nature of the changing face of America and small business I reckon.

     

    I frequently read on this and other gun forums posts by folks who visit the brick&mortar places to fondle guns and then leave to buy them online elsewhere. Can't exactly help that brick&mortar joint thrive? I'm 'guilty' of doing a LOT of my shopping on Amazon Prime for the cost savings and shopping convenience their Same-1- 2 Day free delivery offers. Most of MY clothes come from that world famous fashion house - Walmart. Same goes for a lot of things around my house.

     

    I expect that many small-town stores of all merchandise across America will fade into history and/or be replaced by others. These new legislative actions DO put a new financial burden on all gun businesses. Those successful enough to bear that burden will continue, those for whom that investment is a make or break situation? Won't.

     

    You can take the written exam at the SOS in about 15 languages now. I find that ridiculous. If you cant read ENGLISH then you shouldn't be driving. The signs are in English.

     

    As for the LGS that I go to I have bought a few guns on impulse there. The gun I was looking at was something I was seriously considering buying. When I asked if I could dry fire it they said no. Do you have a snap cap so I can try out the trigger? Well no, we don't want to have people dry firing the gun, not buying it and the person who does buy it finds out it's broken. Not exactly the sell like they used to plus it's .40 that you are trying to unload, there were 5 in the case. There is still 5 in the case. It wasn't a.22 where dry firing would even hurt it.

     

    I do NO shopping on Amazon but buy plenty of shirts from Gucci, I mean Walmart and as of late Tar'get.

    Tarjay for when you need the finest. Walmart really ticked me off when they treated me like a criminal.

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    The link doesn't lead to anything. Can you repost the correct link?

    There was a superfluous space in the url. Remove the space, and it works.

    http://jpfo.org/filegen-a-m/GCA_68.htm

     

     

    Sorry about the bad link. I should have checked it but it was a long day. The Thomas J. Dodd connection was very important to the Oak Brook guy who had the website. This was around 1994-1995 so you were blazing with a 56k modem.

    Thank you guys for fixing it.

  12.  

    The way I see it, this case may go two ways:

     

    1. Partial strike down = FOID continues to exist, but ONLY as a permit to purchase and NOT a requisite for mere possession

     

    2. Full strike down = no more FOID

     

    In the case of the second scenario, many problems would arise (can't list them here though)

     

    Yes, many problems. Like we operate like the other 49 states.

     

    Seriously. The FOID was developed as a racist/classist means to keep minorities and the poor from getting access to firearms. It has always been an infringement, and it is completely unnecessary.

     

    "Behind current gun control efforts often lurks the remnant of an old American prejudice, that the lower classes and minorities are not to be trusted with firearms. The bias originated in the post-antebellum South for political reasons and may have changed its form, but it still exists. Today the thought remains: if you let the poor, and especially the black poor, have guns, they will commit crimes with them. Even noted anti-gun activists have admitted this. In his book The Saturday Night Special, anti-gun journalist Robert Sherrill frankly admitted that the Gun Control Act of 1968 was "passed not to control guns but to control Blacks." [55] Barry Bruce-Briggs, in The Public Interest, stated that "it is difficult to escape the conclusion that the 'Saturday Night Special' is emphasized because it is cheap and it is being sold to a particular class of people. The name is sufficient evidence. The reference is to 'Niggertown Saturday Night.'

    There used to be a guy in Oak Brook who had a website dedicated to this. The one thing that I remember well is one of the Nuremberg judges, Thomas J. Dodd helped write the GCA of 1968. He had a copy of the original German text of the Nazi Weapons Law. http://jpfo.org/filegen-a-m/GCA_68.htm

    This a long read but is very pertinent to what is going on right now in Illinois.

  13. I wonder out loud of any of the 'franchise' type gun shops like Point Blank will seize the opportunity to establish strategically placed 'rural' stores around the State?

     

    I freely admit that I don't know enough about demographics and required market share to determine if such an idea is financially sound.

     

    I had been hoping that Academy would open up a few stores up here but I doubt they think it's worth the hassle. I can almost see Dicks from my house and refuse to go there. Academy has a great selection and very good prices. While it's not a mom and pop FFL-LGS, I love that place. The LGS that I shoot at seems to have given up months ago.

    They don't even try and give you the sell anymore. If they make the list I'll post them.

  14. This case has a very narrow scope that is intended to go after the very basic right of 'in the home', just as the Heller case did. It lays groundwork for future challenges.

     

    Plus only issues raised in the initial case can be addressed in the appeal.

    The VOID the FOID is going to be cases like this. Baby steps instead of one whopping huge blow.

    The point is many little battles until we win the war.

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    I certainly understand the frustration!!! I was Under Board Review for 15 months then one day I checked the ISP website and I was Active. There was no email no notice in the U.S. Mail. Just like that I had my Conceal Carry license.

    I'm not shocked about that at all because you seem you have some anger issues.

    This forum is not about I'm going to go on a rant and argue with everybody."Go argue with yourself friend I'm done!!!"

    You wrote that and perhaps you should stick to it.

    You should go argue with yourself.

     

    You don't get to Judge what this forum is about "MICK G" I'm for second amendment the same as anyone else. The difference is you seem to believe that there is no answer to curb Gun Violence in our Country and I will ARGUE that there is. I've not been mean or disrespectful to anyone. I am a Centrist not a Right or Left Winger. I believe there are people within our Government who would rather vote party line no matter the cost. And you Sir would dare explain to children that ALTHOUGH THEIR FRIENDS WERE KILLED IN SCHOOL Its not very likely that it will happen again so don't worry the guy killed himself and everyone is safe... No sir not me.

     

    No the Moderators do get to judge what this forum is about.

    That usually means people who come on here and start many arguments get a warning.

    Then they disappear. I'm not arguing a thing, I'm stating that you are.

    Arguing with everybody regardless of how strong your beliefs are is for debate.org.

    Whether you meant to be disrespectful or mean is subject to interpretation.

    You have been mean and disrespectful and that's all that counts.

    If I had one thing to say, it's you seem a bit left more then center buts that's just my opinion.

    No need for caps or quotation marks. Cordell calm down, that's all I'm saying

    This isn't an argument forum. That's for debate.org.

     

    I've been a Member of this Forum longer than you Mick. This thread is the only time it's gotten a little personal. I did not know any of those Children personally but I feel like they were all My own kids. We OWE them more than LEARNING CPR to try and save them after they've been shot as former Senator Rick Santorum so gently put it. However I will agree with you that I may seem Rantish and I'll desist with my opinions on this matter.

     

    I'm not saying desist, you are entitled to your opinion.

    I'm just saying take it down a notch or two.

    That's all, we're cool.

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    I certainly understand the frustration!!! I was Under Board Review for 15 months then one day I checked the ISP website and I was Active. There was no email no notice in the U.S. Mail. Just like that I had my Conceal Carry license.

    I'm not shocked about that at all because you seem you have some anger issues.

    This forum is not about I'm going to go on a rant and argue with everybody.

    "Go argue with yourself friend I'm done!!!"

    You wrote that and perhaps you should stick to it.

    You should go argue with yourself.

    You don't get to Judge what this forum is about "MICK G" I'm for second amendment the same as anyone else. The difference is you seem to believe that there is no answer to curb Gun Violence in our Country and I will ARGUE that there is. I've not been mean or disrespectful to anyone. I am a Centrist not a Right or Left Winger. I believe there are people within our Government who would rather vote party line no matter the cost. And you Sir would dare explain to children that ALTHOUGH THEIR FRIENDS WERE KILLED IN SCHOOL Its not very likely that it will happen again so don't worry the guy killed himself and everyone is safe... No sir not me.

     

     

    No the Moderators do get to judge what this forum is about.

    That usually means people who come on here and start many arguments get a warning.

    Then they disappear. I'm not arguing a thing, I'm stating that you are.

    Arguing with everybody regardless of how strong your beliefs are is for debate.org.

    Whether you meant to be disrespectful or mean is subject to interpretation.

    You have been mean and disrespectful and that's all that counts.

    If I had one thing to say, it's you seem a bit left more then center buts that's just my opinion.

    No need for caps or quotation marks. Cordell calm down, that's all I'm saying

    This isn't an argument forum. That's for debate.org.

  17. I certainly understand the frustration!!! I was Under Board Review for 15 months then one day I checked the ISP website and I was Active. There was no email no notice in the U.S. Mail. Just like that I had my Conceal Carry license.

    I'm not shocked about that at all because you seem you have some anger issues.

    This forum is not about I'm going to go on a rant and argue with everybody.

    "Go argue with yourself friend I'm done!!!"

    You wrote that and perhaps you should stick to it.

    You should go argue with yourself.

  18. Lol to get this back on topic.

     

    30 days, 0 email/contact from ISP. Website still says under review. So much for 30 days.

     

    Figure those times aren't etched in stone. The law say 120 days for a permit and yet the guy from Texas is way past that. It's Illinois, they'll get to it OR they just want to make sure that you aren't the Ted Bundy of Canada.

    It's sitting on a desk and you haven't been denied so that's a positive.

    Where are my frickin License Plates hoser? You might have to look that one up.

  19.  

    Most people I know were drunk when they got married.

    We were doing keg stands in a church parking lot and that included the bride and groom.

    To be young and stupid again just for a day.

     

    No Purple.

     

    I honestly can't think of anyone I know who was drunk when they got married, but then again no-one will make fun of you when the zombies come....

     

     

    The funny part is all but one of these drunk marriages are going strong. 9 out of 10 which is well above the 50% divorce rate. 90% of drunk marriages are going strong at 20 years or more. That's a strange statistic. The one that ended in divorce, well the bride passed out on the altar so that could have been a sign. I have steered way off topic but after the troll post and response I'll just stop now.

  20. I wanted to respond to your last comment with a bit of a political opinion

     

    I actually prefer Canada's laws to Illinois - because at least you know you are being treated the same as fellow citizens nationwide. Sure there's no CCL and magazine laws are annoying, but it does reduce gun violence (facts are facts). Illinois has a process that can make you an overnight felon simply for "moving" or being in the wrong city with the wrong firearm.

     

    True but try this one on for size. Some Illinois license plates are made in Canada. - fact

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