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Posted 17 February 2019 - 11:07 AM

If Trump can declare a national emergency to build a border wall, why can't he do the same to implement national concealed carry reciprocity?

 

Trump has been very weak on gun owner's rights, which is extremely disappointing.


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Posted 17 February 2019 - 11:28 AM

It is possible that neither constitutes a National Emergency.

 

I, too, am disappointed in his participation in advancing gun rights.

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Posted 17 February 2019 - 11:53 AM

Two years in and the best I always say about the current President is at least he's not Hillary. That's what got him my compromise vote.

 

Sometimes the man acts like a petulent child, other times a bully, and now and then a buffoon. Negative characteristics that were well known by his friends and foes alike before the election, so they should come as no surprise now. He also has his fair share of positive attributes.

 

His re-election depends on what the Democrats can scrounge up as a viable alternative. Haven't seen one yet.


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Posted 17 February 2019 - 11:59 AM

Two years in and the best I always say about the current President is at least he's not Hillary. That's what got him my compromise vote.

 

Sometimes the man acts like a petulent child, other times a bully, and now and then a buffoon. Negative characteristics that were well known by his friends and foes alike before the election, so they should come as no surprise now. He also has his fair share of positive attributes.

 

His re-election depends on what the Democrats can scrounge up as a viable alternative. Haven't seen one yet.

 

I agree on this. The one thing I really like about Trump is that he drives the Washington establishment crazy ! They have been running things to their advantage way to long. Time to bust up the old gang.



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Posted 17 February 2019 - 12:05 PM

If Trump can declare a national emergency to build a border wall, why can't he do the same to implement national concealed carry reciprocity?

 

Trump has been very weak on gun owner's rights, which is extremely disappointing.

Don't make the same mistake the Democrats made in failing to consider what the next person would do with all of Obama's executive overreach. If Trump can declare a national emergency to build a wall or institute concealed carry reciprocity, then the next Democrat in office can do it to establish single payer healthcare, or ban "assault weapons"

 

The fact is none of them have the authority to do any of it, and hopefully the courts won't let them get away with it


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Posted 17 February 2019 - 12:52 PM

 

If Trump can declare a national emergency to build a border wall, why can't he do the same to implement national concealed carry reciprocity?

 

Trump has been very weak on gun owner's rights, which is extremely disappointing.

Don't make the same mistake the Democrats made in failing to consider what the next person would do with all of Obama's executive overreach. If Trump can declare a national emergency to build a wall or institute concealed carry reciprocity, then the next Democrat in office can do it to establish single payer healthcare, or ban "assault weapons"

 

The fact is none of them have the authority to do any of it, and hopefully the courts won't let them get away with it

 

 

^ This.  As much as I recognize the need for effective border security, there are certain things the executive should not do.  I agree that the "national emergency" shoe fits in this case but that doesn't mean it warrants an end-run around the legislative body.  I'm a medic and deal with the very real result of a porous border when it comes to the drugs flowing onto our streets.  I can cheer this on because I want to see something done but I also realize the pendulum WILL eventually swing back and the D's will be back in power at some point.  

 

Pelosi wasn't wrong when she said they could push to do the same for guns.  Imagine the bullet points for that green new deal each being declared a national emergency.  There are those, at this moment, who feel each one of those initiatives are emergencies.  What then?  



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Posted 17 February 2019 - 12:55 PM

Hi,

I have to echo the sentiments voiced against this.

A Democrat president could use it to our great detriment, of course. But more broadly speaking, the balance of power between the three branches of government is a previous thing, and extravagant executive actions like this threaten that balance.

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Posted 17 February 2019 - 02:03 PM

I also agree with all sentiments here.  

 

I support Trump and voted for him.  It's sort of ironic though that thus far, Obama did more for our gun rights than Trump did so far.  Obama gave us carrying in National Parks as long as you are able to carry in whatever National Park state you are in, Amtrak transport and he was the country's best gun salesman.  One other thing he did for us, I cannot recall offhand but there was one other.  Trump hasn't done anything other than ban bumpstocks with the NRA's assistance.  

 

I understand he is under great scrutiny from the dems and cannot do much of anything but this is getting ridiculous.   I still support the man as our President.


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Posted 17 February 2019 - 02:13 PM

The difference here is, on the one hand, we have a party (the Democrats) who’s whole sole function at this point is to oppose anything and everything the President desires to accomplish or do — so much so that they have completely lost sight of the Country. They oppose simply because Trump wants. If the roles are reversed you’ll never see a party (the Republicans) so entirely focused on opposing a President that they lose sight of the Country. They will oppose because it’s bad for the Nation. I firmly believe that the Nation will begin to tire of these games and begin to look towards the best interests of the Country and it’ll come as a big surprise to both parties.
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Posted 17 February 2019 - 02:21 PM

The difference here is, on the one hand, we have a party (the Democrats) who’s whole sole function at this point is to oppose anything and everything the President desires to accomplish or do — so much so that they have completely lost sight of the Country. They oppose simply because Trump wants. If the roles are reversed you’ll never see a party (the Republicans) so entirely focused on opposing a President that they lose sight of the Country. They will oppose because it’s bad for the Nation. I firmly believe that the Nation will begin to tire of these games and begin to look towards the best interests of the Country and it’ll come as a big surprise to both parties.

 

I beg to disagree... it was the same vs the Republicans during the Clinton and Obama years. The difference is in what each party feels is the correct path for the nation.


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Posted 17 February 2019 - 03:30 PM

If 1 year ago Trump declared a national emergency and spent $ 8 billion building a wall around Iraq or Syria WITHOUT Congressional approval - the Democrats OR Republicans would NOT have said one word !!!

You ALL know that to be true.

The reason for all the blow-back is Because the Wall was a Trump campaign promise AND it is GOOD for the U.S. !!!!!!
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Posted 17 February 2019 - 03:40 PM

IMO it is definitely a national emergency and has been for many years.  The millions of illegals here, sucking up our welfare benefits, causing a burden on our services we pay for, police, fire, EMT, etc.

Committing crimes in our country and in many cases skipping back to Mexico to avoid justice.

 

If this isn't an emergency, I guess someone needs to explain to me what is.  Thank God Trump has the gonads to address it.



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Posted 17 February 2019 - 04:00 PM

Like him or not one thing everyone can agree on ( IMHO ) is that Trump has been outstanding at picking SCOTUS justices. I hope he get's to replace RBG too. I can't even begin to imagine the liberal / socialist activist Hillary or Bernie would have picked. That's the #1 reason i voted for Trump and I'll vote for him again. Maybe in a second term now 81 year old Breyer would need replacing too !!!!



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Posted 17 February 2019 - 05:23 PM

If 1 year ago Trump declared a national emergency and spent $ 8 billion building a wall around Iraq or Syria WITHOUT Congressional approval - the Democrats OR  and Republicans would NOT have said one word had him committed !!!

You ALL know that to be true.

The reason for all the blow-back is Because the Wall was a reminder to talk about illegal immigration which became the most popular Trump campaign promise AND it is GOOD for the U.S. among the sheep they packed in to his rallies !!!!!!

 

Watching from the Press risers, the rally goers truly seemed to be sheep as they were packed in, herded around and then spread out when there weren't enough people to fill the space.

 

PSA: If any of you ever get to go to a Trump Rally, remember to bring earplugs. By order of the White House, the decibel level is far above safe levels. A rally for any POTUS is always inspiring. Everyone should go, given the chance... even waiting for many hours in rain, snow or blistering heat, it's worth it.

 

And bring spare earplugs. Last time, I gave mine to young kids. I am certain some faithful followers suffered irreparable hearing loss.

 

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Posted 17 February 2019 - 05:37 PM

The reason for all the blow-back is Because the Wall was a Trump campaign promise AND it is GOOD for the U.S. !!!!!!

 

^^^This^^^

 

Obama declared thirteen (13) national emergencies and no one gave a peep...

 

For anyone to now say there isn't a crisis at the border is just being naive or choosing to look the other way because they refuse to agree with Trump on anything...  There have been decades of highly reported humanitarian issues and drug issues at the border as well as the well documented influx of literally millions of illegals flowing into the US unvetted for as long as I can remember, no all the sudden in their best resist Trump voice "there is nothing to see here, move along"


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Posted 17 February 2019 - 06:18 PM

It amazes me how liberals spew their rhetoric and lies, and then expect people to not believe what they see with their own eyes.
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Posted 17 February 2019 - 07:51 PM

Like him or not one thing everyone can agree on ( IMHO ) is that Trump has been outstanding at picking SCOTUS justices. I hope he get's to replace RBG too. I can't even begin to imagine the liberal / socialist activist Hillary or Bernie would have picked. That's the #1 reason i voted for Trump and I'll vote for him again. Maybe in a second term now 81 year old Breyer would need replacing too !!!!


I wouldnt declare the NE either. Just waiting on RBG pick. Hopefully people who agree that we need border wall/protection will see that he tried and was blocked by Dems. He needs to put more Feds on Illinois corruption !
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Posted 17 February 2019 - 08:11 PM

 

If Trump can declare a national emergency to build a border wall, why can't he do the same to implement national concealed carry reciprocity?

 

Trump has been very weak on gun owner's rights, which is extremely disappointing.

Don't make the same mistake the Democrats made in failing to consider what the next person would do with all of Obama's executive overreach. If Trump can declare a national emergency to build a wall or institute concealed carry reciprocity, then the next Democrat in office can do it to establish single payer healthcare, or ban "assault weapons"

 

The fact is none of them have the authority to do any of it, and hopefully the courts won't let them get away with it

 

Trump has all of the authority he needs to declare a national emergency. Those powers are given to the president for lots of reasons. Two of those reasons could be to slow the flow of drugs in to the country, or to stop an invasion.. He can also call up "the militia."


Since the law was passed in 1976, presidents have declared more than 60 emergencies, and many have been continually signed for years afterwards.


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Posted 18 February 2019 - 07:57 AM

If Trump can declare a national emergency to build a border wall, why can't he do the same to implement national concealed carry reciprocity?

 

Trump has been very weak on gun owner's rights, which is extremely disappointing.

 

Because Trump is not a supporter of the 2nd amendment in any way, shape, or form.



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Posted 18 February 2019 - 08:09 AM

 

If Trump can declare a national emergency to build a border wall, why can't he do the same to implement national concealed carry reciprocity?

 

Trump has been very weak on gun owner's rights, which is extremely disappointing.

 

Because Trump is not a supporter of the 2nd amendment in any way, shape, or form.

 

I don't think he is for, or against it.  He is for what ever he believes at that moment is best for the country.  He started the gig as a non-politician but is morphing into one.  Yes a bit swampy..


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Posted 18 February 2019 - 08:41 AM

 

 

If Trump can declare a national emergency to build a border wall, why can't he do the same to implement national concealed carry reciprocity?

 

Trump has been very weak on gun owner's rights, which is extremely disappointing.

 

Because Trump is not a supporter of the 2nd amendment in any way, shape, or form.

 

I don't think he is for, or against it.  He is for what ever he believes at that moment is best for the country.  He started the gig as a non-politician but is morphing into one.  Yes a bit swampy..

 

 

Trump is for what ever he believes at that moment is best for Trump.


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Posted 18 February 2019 - 08:44 AM

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Posted 18 February 2019 - 09:12 AM

 

 


 

Because Trump is not a supporter of the 2nd amendment in any way, shape, or form.

 

I don't think he is for, or against it.  He is for what ever he believes at that moment is best for the country.  He started the gig as a non-politician but is morphing into one.  Yes a bit swampy..

 

 

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Posted 18 February 2019 - 09:13 AM

 

 

 

 

 

Because Trump is not a supporter of the 2nd amendment in any way, shape, or form.

 

I don't think he is for, or against it.  He is for what ever he believes at that moment is best for the country.  He started the gig as a non-politician but is morphing into one.  Yes a bit swampy..

 

 

Trump is for what ever he believes at that moment is best for Trump.

 

You mean best for his chances at winning reelection.  That same could be said about every other politician with a pulse.


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Posted 18 February 2019 - 10:04 AM

I think We The People need to declare a national emergency, and immediately kick out all the corrupt politicians and call for special elections to replace them.

That would be nice.

 

Won't happen, though. 


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Posted 18 February 2019 - 01:37 PM

 

 

If Trump can declare a national emergency to build a border wall, why can't he do the same to implement national concealed carry reciprocity?

 

Trump has been very weak on gun owner's rights, which is extremely disappointing.

Don't make the same mistake the Democrats made in failing to consider what the next person would do with all of Obama's executive overreach. If Trump can declare a national emergency to build a wall or institute concealed carry reciprocity, then the next Democrat in office can do it to establish single payer healthcare, or ban "assault weapons"

 

The fact is none of them have the authority to do any of it, and hopefully the courts won't let them get away with it

 

Trump has all of the authority he needs to declare a national emergency. Those powers are given to the president for lots of reasons. Two of those reasons could be to slow the flow of drugs in to the country, or to stop an invasion.. He can also call up "the militia."


Since the law was passed in 1976, presidents have declared more than 60 emergencies, and many have been continually signed for years afterwards.


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A president does indeed have that authority and can use it. Many have. The difference this time is that every other time it was used Congress was in general agreement with the declaration. That is not the case this time. Also since according to the US Constitution gives the power of the purse to Congress, they can overrule a president. We will see if that happens. When this does go to court, I doubt and I hope that Trump will prevail. It sets an awfully bad precedent for Executive Branch overreach. 

 

Nominally you want this to be about "stemming the flow of drugs" but it isn't. Trump wants it for a wall and Congress has been very clear that building a wall does not address the needs of border security. Surprisingly the Democrats and the Republicans are mostly in agreement about what needs to be done and that is why no money has been allocated for a wall for over two years. I do have to laugh a little at Mr. Art of the Deal not getting as much for his pet project with this spending bill as he did with the bill in December and even the one last year. He is really reading Congress poorly. 

 

Now had he wanted to stem the flow of drugs, he should have declared an emegancy to add more security at the ports of the entry where most of the drugs are coming in. Or more patrols and drones on the border, not a wall. That is just a silly piece of red meat for his supporters that do not even look at what is being said is needed by the experts.

 

https://medium.com/s...laZrbaDjsrVW94E

 

These conclusions about why a wall is wrong headed are all backed up by right leaning sources: 

 

Conservative-Leaning Sources Explaining the Uselessness of Trump’s Wall Additional Sources

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Posted 18 February 2019 - 02:05 PM

I believe what the border agents have been saying for years, over what media outlets are reporting. That a wall would significantly delay illegal immigrants and give agents more time to arrive on scene to apprehend them. Technology will do the same thing, but with only using technology and no substantial wall, by the time border patrol gets there, the illegals are already long gone. The fact is, no one really knows how many drugs are crossing between the normal ports of entry. It's impossible to know that info unless they're caught. Sure, estimates can be made, but that's it.

Other countries with walls can all attest to their effectiveness, and the numbers don't lie.


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Posted 18 February 2019 - 11:30 PM

Other countries with walls can all attest to their effectiveness, and the numbers don't lie.

 

And you can bet your money that in areas where there is a functional barrier wall between the US/Mexico there are in fact less illegals and drugs just walking over the border unvetted in those areas, meaning it's effective here as well, just look at the 'caravan' that is now, for the most part, stuck in Mexico City because they encountered a functional barrier wall that prevented them from just strolling into the US, only a dolt would say the outcome of where the individuals in that caravan are today would have been the same if there was no wall in place.  It's no secret that for the most part illegals (and drug smugglers) avoid attempting to cross where there is a functional barrier wall and prefer to use areas where there is no barrier when possible.  Those seeking legal entry by legal means will go to a port of entry.

 

As said above, no one knows how many drugs and illegals are crossing where little to no security or border is present, they only have shot in the dark guesses based on those that get caught in the area, the blunt truth is they have no idea how many illegals and drugs actually make it in, this also applies to ports of entry, the so-called estimates of what makes it through is entirely based on what is caught, they really have no idea what is getting through.


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