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#1 Molly B.

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Posted 27 September 2007 - 03:17 PM

It was suggested that we have a location where new members and those with limited time can quickly check for immediate "calls to action".

We also send out a "Firearms Update" email when warranted. If you would like to be added to the list you can pm me with your email address.

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Posted 27 September 2007 - 03:27 PM

44 Counties Have Passed the Pro Second Amendment Resolution!!
The Pro Second Amendment Resolution Revolution continues on! As of this past week 44 counties have passed the resolution or one similar. Everyday Illinois citizens are taking this remarkable movement to every corner of the state by presenting the resolution to their own county boards. We can be very proud as the patriots of Illinois stand up and step forward for our constitutional rights!

The 44 counties are: Adams, Alexander, Brown, Calhoun, Christian, Clay, Crawford, Edwards, Effingham, Fayette, Franklin, Fulton, Gallatin, Greene, Hamilton, Hancock, Hardin, Henry, Iroquois, Jasper, Jefferson, Johnson, Lawrence, Livingston, Logan, Macoupin, Massac, Monroe, Piatt, Pike, Pope, Pulaski, Randolph, Richland, Saline, Schuyler, Shelby, Stephenson, Union, Wabash, Warren, Wayne, White, Woodford.

Winnebago, Montgomery, Jo Daviess, Washington and Coles County have the resolution on their agendas for consideration in the next few weeks. For more information or a copy of the resolution go to http://www.pro2areso....com/index.html If you reside in one of these counties please contact your county board members and urge the to support the resolution. If you have friends or family in these counties encourage them to call.

New Website Designed to Reach Cook County/Chicago Gun Owners
There is a real need to reach Chicago and Cook County gun owners and encourage them to join the effort in regaining our Second Amendment rights in Illinois. A new website has been designed to do just that chicagohandgun.org. Please pass this along to your Chicago/Cook Co. friends and relatives.

Illinois Legislative Veto Session Set to Convene Oct 2, 2007
Let's keep our eyes and ears open as the Fall Veto Session convenes on Oct. 2. All bills are open for action and even new bills can be introduced. We will need to be on our toes in case phone calls to legislators are needed. You can listen online to the floor sessions by going to http://www.ilga.gov/senate/audvid.asp for the senate and http://www.ilga.gov/house/audvid.asp for the house.

Campaign Promises Can Make a Difference! Make Your Promise on Monday Oct. 1, 2007!
Take a close look at the websites for the following political parties in Illinois. Notice anything missing from their platform statements? Nary a mention of upholding our constitutional rights - let alone a vow to protect our Second Amendment Rights. On Monday, Oct.1, 2007 I strongly urge you to contact the leaders of your political party, whichever party that might be, and make them a campaign promise that the party will not receive one single dollar in contributions from you unless and until they honor, respect, and protect your constitutional Second Amendment rights. That's a promise, if enough of us make it, that will make a difference!

www.ildems.com Illinois Democratic Party
www.weareillinois.org Illinois Republican Party
www.ilgp.org Illinois Green Party

Contact your Party Leader
Andy McKenna
Illinois Republican Party
P.O. Box 78
Springfield, IL 62705
Phone: 217/525-0011
Fax: 217/753-4712
Email: info@ilgop.org

Michael Madigan Chairman Democratic Party of Illinois
P.O. Box 518
Springfield, IL 62705
Phone: 217/546-7404 Fax: 217/546-8847

David Black
Illinois Green Party
P.O. Box 471278
Chicago, IL 60647
phone:(312) 924-1803
email:info@ilgp.org
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Posted 27 September 2007 - 03:54 PM

This thread is now a permanent sticky. Please take a second when you visit the politics forum to see if there are any current/new calls for action here.

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Posted 27 September 2007 - 03:58 PM

It might be a good idea for all members to go to the top post in the thread, click on "Options," and track the thread (with immediate email notification)--that way, everyone should be sure to know right away if anything "hot" has come up (of course, simply posting in this thread would do the same thing).
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Posted 27 September 2007 - 10:24 PM

GOA Action Alert, Veterans Disarmament

From another post in the Backroom

Thursday, September 27, 2007

The quote above explains the problem we are facing. Both sides of the gun control debate -- with the exception of Gun Owners of America and many pro-gun groups at the state level -- are supporting the Veterans Disarmament Act (HR 2640).

"Propelled by a rare alliance between the National Rifle Association and majority Democrats," the AP explained, "the legislation was passed in similar form by the House and would be the first major gun control law in more than a decade." Both sides are screaming for passage of this bill!

But you should realize that Sen. Tom Coburn (R-OK) has been working with Gun Owners of America and, right now, is standing ALONE in the U.S. Senate to hold up this dangerous piece of legislation -- which is being pushed by the Queen of Gun Control in the House (Carolyn McCarthy of New York) and the King of Gun Control in the Senate (Chuck Schumer of New York).

Consider what the above news report stated late last night:

"Majority Democrats in the Senate were poised as early as this past Monday to bring the bill to a vote until Sen. Tom Coburn, R-Okla., objected," the AP stated.

Sen. Coburn understands that the bill is anathema to gun rights and will result in the disarmament of (potentially) millions of additional, law-abiding Americans. "Veterans, or any other American, should not lose their Second Amendment rights," he said, "if they have been unfairly tagged as having mental health concerns."

Coburn gets it. He is absolutely correct in regard to his concerns with the bill. But why aren't other pro-gun Senators standing with him?

Your help is desperately needed right now. Even if you have taken action against this bill in the past -- even the recent past -- we still need you to do so again. There are two important action items:

ACTION ITEM #1:

Please contact Senator Tom Coburn via his webform at http://coburn.senate...atorCoburn.Home to thank him for his defense of gun rights. He's willing to fight the fight, but it will help him know that he has millions of gun owners standing behind him. (A pre-written letter is provided below to guide your comments to Sen. Coburn.)

ACTION ITEM #2:

Please use the second pre-written message to contact one of the other Senators who need to join Sen. Coburn in actively working to defeat the Veterans Disarmament Act -- just choose the one nearest to you. The Senators who need to hear from you, and their contact info, are as follows:


Sen. David Vitter of Louisiana
Webform:
http://vitter.senate...ule=webformIQV1
Phone: 202-224-4623

Sen. Jim Bunning of Kentucky
Webform:
http://bunning.senat...act.ContactForm
Phone: 202-224-4343

Sen. James Inhofe
Webform:
http://inhofe.senate...act.ContactForm
Phone: 202-224-4721

Sen. Mike Crapo of Idaho
Webform:
http://crapo.senate....ntact/email.cfm
Phone: 202-224-6142

Sen. Jim DeMint of South Carolina
Webform:
http://demint.senate...on=Contact.Home
Phone: 202-224-6121

----- Pre-written letter to Sen. Coburn -----

Dear Senator Coburn:

Thank you so much for standing up for the rights of gun owners! You are a breath of fresh air in an institution where senators often put the interests of their fellow legislators above the interests of the American people.

Your defense of liberty is being noticed out here in the "hustings." And we are very grateful for what you've done in opposing the Veterans Disarmament Act (HR 2640). Please continue to stand strong; you have our support behind you!

Sincerely,
----- Pre-written letter to Senators Vitter (R-LA), Bunning (R-KY), Inhofe (R-OK), Crapo (R-ID) or DeMint (R-SC) -----

Dear Senator:

I gather from press reports that Senator Tom Coburn is courageously blocking passage of the Veterans Disarmament Act (HR 2640). I know that you are a pro-gun senator, and it just seems to me that you should be standing beside him in actively opposing this bill.

The Associated Press noted the "rare alliance between the National Rifle Association and majority Democrats." It also quotes the notoriously anti-gun Senator Schumer as saying, "When the NRA and Chuck Schumer agree, that tells you it's something worth doing." Well, I disagree.

While the NRA does some good work in the areas of shooting competitions, firearms training, etc., THEY DO NOT SPEAK FOR ME when they support the Veterans Disarmament Act, which is being sponsored by Carolyn McCarthy in the House (HR 2640) and is being pushed by Chuck Schumer in the Senate.

Please... please... please... stand with Senator Coburn in fighting this legislation. The bill is anathema to gun rights and will result in the disarmament of (potentially) millions of additional, law-abiding Americans.

That is why the Military Order of the Purple Heart is opposed to it, having stated on June 18 of this year, that "[f]or the first time the legislation, if enacted, would statutorily impose a lifetime gun ban on battle-scarred veterans."

Grassroots gun owners are opposed to it, too. So please do EVERYTHING you can to kill this bill. I hope you will contact me and let me know what you intend to do.

Sincerely,
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Posted 03 October 2007 - 09:31 PM

ISRA Alert:
State Police Proposal Would Abolish Youth Hunting/Shooting/Gun Safety Programs

A proposal submitted by the Illinois State Police (ISP) to the Joint Committee on Administrative Rules (JCAR) would effectively eliminate participation in shooting activities by anyone under 10 years of age. The proposal, which would establish minimum age requirements for obtaining an Illinois Firearm Owner’s Identification Card (FOID), comes in the wake of an irresponsibly biased feature article that had appeared in a south suburban newspaper. In the article, the feature writer spun a near-satirical yarn about how easily his newborn son, ‘Bubba’ was able to obtain a FOID. Reaction to the article amongst anti-gun/anti-hunting forces was predictably hysterical. In response, Gov. Blagojevich’s State Police issued a proposed change in the law which would set 10 years of age as the minimum age at which one could obtain a FOID.

To become effective, the ISP’s age-limit proposal must be approved by JCAR - an administrative body responsible for establishing regulations and implementing guidance for statutes signed into law by the governor. Prior to considering proposed regulations, JCAR must observe a 45-day public comment period during which citizens may submit their views on the proposal, in writing, to JCAR.

Of course, the ISRA is adamantly opposed to the ISP’s FOID age-limit proposal. More specifically, the ISRA seeks rejection of the proposal for the following reasons:

1. There is no practical purpose for establishing a minimum age-limit for FOID cards. The ISP, and others, claim that setting a minimum age for acquiring a FOID would reduce violent crime and firearm accidents. Yet, the fact of the matter is, nobody under the age of 18, FOID or no FOID, can purchase a firearm in Illinois. Furthermore, nobody under the age of 21 may purchase a handgun in Illinois. On the matter of firearm safety, childhood deaths from accidental firearm discharge are at historical lows - a phenomenon resulting in large part to youth firearm training classes put on by the NRA and sportsmen’s clubs. The ISP proposal could actually increase the likelihood of accidental childhood firearm deaths by prohibiting meaning firearm training of children during life stages where it will do the most good.

2. The proposal materially alters the spirit and legislative intent of the state’s safe firearms storage laws. By prohibiting FOID issuance to children under 10, millions of low-risk households would be forced to spend hundreds of millions of dollars to bring their homes into compliance with safe storage laws. At the same time, high-risk households would be unaffected due to ignorance of safe firearm handling procedures and contempt for laws already in force.

3. The proposal denies parents the right to choose when and how their children become involved in hunting and the shooting sports.

4. The proposal would severely damage the state’s hunting heritage by delaying the entry of successive generations into the sport.

ISRA members are encouraged strongly to submit comments on the proposal to the address below.

NOTE: It is very important that you remain polite and respectful when submitting your comments to JCAR about the proposed regulations. Speak strictly to the facts presented above. JCAR is only interested in the matter at hand - whether the minimum age for obtaining a FOID should be set at 10 years of age. Getting off message will not help our cause.

Please send comments on your opposition to this change by October 25, 2007, in writing, to:

Mr. John M. Hosteny
Interim Chief Legal Counsel
Illinois State Police
801 South 7th Street, Suite 1000-S
Post Office Box 19461
Springfield, Illinois 62794-9461
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Posted 03 October 2007 - 11:11 PM

It would create a minimum FOID age and create a minimum age to shoot or hunt or just create a minimum FOID age?

It says nothing about a minimum age to hunt or shoot in the 9-21-07 Flinn Report.
http://www.ilga.gov/...flinn/reg38.pdf

FIREARM ID CARDS
The DEPARTMENT OF STATE POLICE
proposed an amendment to rules
titled "Firearm Owner's Identification
Card Act" (20 Ill Adm Code 1230; 31 Ill
Reg 13346) setting the minimum age
of application for a card at 10 years
old. DSP is setting its policy in tune
with Department of Natural Resources
policy; its minimum age for hunting
programs for youth is the same.

Questions/requests for copies/comments
through 11/5/07: John M.
Hosteny, ISP, 801 S. Seventh St., Ste.
1000-S, Springfield IL 62794-9461, 217/
782-7658.


The youth hunting reasoning is not entirely true! This is for a very few programs and only a couple of weekends a year. The age rule does not apply for regular hunting in any way whatsoever!

The ISP is up to no good again!!!

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Posted 03 October 2007 - 11:24 PM

Here's the committee.

http://www.ilga.gov/...jcar/member.pdf

MEMBERS OF THE JOINT COMMITTEE ON ADMINISTRATIVE RULES
CO-CHAIRMAN
SENATOR MAGGIE CROTTY
5119 W. 159th Street 122 State House
1st Floor East Springfield IL 62706
Oak Forest IL 60452 217/782-9595
708/687-9696
D-19
CO-CHAIRMAN
REPRESENTATIVE BRENT HASSERT
1408 Joliet Rd. Ste 102 217-N Stratton Bldg.
Romeoville IL 60446 Springfield IL 62706
630/739-7063 217/782-4179
R-83
SENATOR J. BRADLEY BURZYNSKI
505 DeKalb Ave 103D Mezzanine State House
Sycamore IL 60178 Springfield IL 62706
815/895-6318 217/782-1977
R-35
SENATOR JAMES F. CLAYBORNE JR.
327 Missouri Ave 629 State House
1st IL Bank Bldg., Rm 422 Springfield IL 62706
East St. Louis IL 62201 217/782-5399
618/875-1212
D-57
SENATOR RANDALL M. HULTGREN
1725 S. Naperville Road, Ste. 200 M103A –State House
Wheaton IL 60187 Springfield IL 62706
630/682-8100 217/782-8022
R-45
SENATOR DAN RUTHERFORD
320 N Plum St 105B State House
Pontiac IL 61764 Springfield IL 62706
815/842-3632 217/782-6597
R-53

SENATOR IRA SILVERSTEIN
2951 W. Devon 121B State House
Chicago IL 60659 Springfield IL 62706
773/743-5015 217/782-5500
D-8
REPRESENTATIVE JOHN FRITCHEY
2539 N. Southport Ave. 200-7S Stratton Bldg.
Chicago IL 60614 Springfield IL 62706
773/871-4000 217/782-2458
D-11
REPRESENTATIVE LOUIS I. LANG
4528 W. Oakton Street 109 State House
Skokie IL 60076 Springfield IL 62706
847/673-1131 217/782-1252
D-16
REPRESENTATIVE DAVID R. LEITCH
5407 N. University Street 220 State House
Arbor Hall, Ste. B Springfield IL 62706
Peoria IL 61614 217/782-8108
309/690-7373
R-73
REPRESENTATIVE DAVID E. MILLER
1350 E. Sibley Blvd., Ste. 202 278-S Stratton Bldg.
Dolton, IL 60419 Springfield IL 62706
708/201-8000 217/782-8087
D-29
REPRESENTATIVE ROSEMARY MULLIGAN
932 Lee St., Ste. 201 218-N Stratton Bldg.
Des Plaines IL 60016 Springfield IL 62706
847/297-6533 217/782-8007
R-65

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Posted 07 October 2007 - 05:49 PM

I think the change would have a very real impact on young hunters. The two guys from the DNR that spoke at the Hunter Safety class my daughter took last year made a point of encouraging parents to get FOID cards for their children. If the child does not have their own FOID, when hunting they must be in the immediate care and control of an adult that does have one. They said that in the field they interpret that to mean that the adult must be within arm's length. If the child had their own FOID card, they could be as far away as the adult felt comfortable with.

Now, as a practical matter I don't know how many people would be effected by this, but there were about 6 or 7 kids that looked under 10 yrs old in that class alone. Multply that by classes all over the state and you could be talking a pretty significant number.

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Posted 07 October 2007 - 10:40 PM

Now, as a practical matter I don't know how many people would be effected by this, but there were about 6 or 7 kids that looked under 10 yrs old in that class alone. Multply that by classes all over the state and you could be talking a pretty significant number.


In my letter to the acting director of the DNR I said I felt this bill would hurt their efforts in the long term.

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Posted 30 November 2007 - 08:21 AM

Action for Cook County:

Suffredin Unveils Ordinance to Reign in Gun Shops
Thu Nov 29, 2007 4:15pm EST

CHICAGO, Nov. 29 /PRNewswire/ -- Citing the senseless loss of liferesulting from random gun violence, Cook County Commissioner Larry Suffredintook a giant step today toward reducing the number of handguns on the streetsof Chicago and Cook County by introducing an ordinance that would restrict thelocation where gun shops in suburban Cook County can operate.

"I am tired of business as usual. I am tired of picking up the paper orturning on the news to see reports about innocent children gunned down in coldblood, because some gang member bought a gun at their local gun shop,"Suffredin said. "For nearly thirty years, I have fought for sensible gunlaws. Whether it was against the NRA or legislative leaders, I fought to passlaws to keep guns off our streets."

"The documentation is clear that Chuck's Gun Shop and similar stores insuburban Cook County are the source of guns that are used in violent crimethroughout Cook County," Suffredin said. "As a home rule unit, Cook Countyhas the legal right to regulate where these establishments are allowed tooperate. Chuck's Gun Shop is within one mile of a school which will not beallowed once this ordinance passes."

A 2004 study by the group, Americans for Gun Safety, reported that, basedon statistics provided by the U.S. Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms,between 1996 and 2000, 2,370 guns sold at Chuck's Gun Shop had been used in acrime, one of which resulted in the death of a Chicago Police Officer. OtherCook County gun shops were cited in the report as being peddlers ofcrime-linked firearms including, Suburban Sporting Goods, in Melrose Park.

Suffredin was joined at the press conference by Rev. Michael Pfleger,pastor of St. Sabina's Parish, Jennifer Bishop of the Brady Campaign AgainstGun Violence, Barbara McKee, President of the Illinois Million Mom March,Annette Holt, Ronald Holt, Gloria Padron, Serita Villareal, and Steve Young,all relatives of gun victims, Garrett Evans, Virginia Tech shooting survivor,and Jamie Barnett and Jason Daniels, of UCAN's Visible Man Project.

"Finding a way to stop the flow of guns is critical to reducing the tragicloss of life in our communities," Bishop said. "How many children have to diebefore our leaders take the steps necessary to get guns off our streets?Commissioner Suffredin's ordinance is long overdue."

The proposed ordinance would amend the Cook County Deadly Weapons DealerControl Ordinance and would:

-- Remove the exemptions for municipalities, like Riverdale, that passed less restrictive ordinances in order to avoid the provisions of the existing Weapons Ordinance;

-- Extend the restriction on gun shops within one mile of a school or park to all municipalities within Cook County.

-- Increase the distance required between licensed weapons dealers from five to ten miles.

-- Ban gun shows completely in Cook County.


Everyone who lives in Cook County needs to contact the every commissioner and express your strong opposition to this measure - firmly but also courteously . It's probably not a bad idea for non-county residents to get in touch as well.

Contact information is here: http://www.co.cook.i...mmissioners.htm

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Posted 04 December 2007 - 09:25 PM

Everyone who lives in Cook County needs to contact the every commissioner and express your strong opposition to this measure - firmly but also courteously . It's probably not a bad idea for non-county residents to get in touch as well.

Contact information is here: http://www.co.cook.i...mmissioners.htm

It's easy to complain after the fact, but now is the opportunity to take action.


Direct contact information.... (the Yes and No means whether they voted for the expanded Cook county semi-auto ("assault weapons") ban last November.

District 1
Yes Earlean Collins
Phone: 312/603-4566
Fax: 312/603-3696
ecollins@cookcountygov.com

District 2
Yes Robert Steele
Phone: 312/603-3019
Fax: 312/603-4055
rsteele@cookcountygov.com

District 3
Yes Jerry “Iceman” Butler
Phone: 312/603-6391
Fax: 312/603-5671
jbutler@cookcountygov.com

District 4
Yes William M. Beavers
Phone: 312/603-6398
wbeavers@cookcountygov.com

District 5
Yes Deborah Sims
Phone: 312/603-6381
dsims@cookcountygov.com

District 6
No Joan Patricia Murphy
Phone: 312/603-4216
Fax: 312/603-3693
jpmurphy@cookcountygov.com

District 7
Yes Joseph Mario Moreno
Phone: 312/603-5443
Fax: 312/603-3759
jmoreno@cookcountygov.com

District 8
Yes Robert Maldonado
Phone: 312/603-6386
Fax: 312/443-9531
rmaldonado@cookcountygov.com

District 9
Yes Peter N. Silvestri
Phone: 312/603-4393
Fax: 312/443-1154
cookcty9@aol.com

District 10
Yes Mike Quigley
Phone: 312/603-4210
Fax: 312/603-3695
commquigley@aol.com

District 11
Yes John P. Daley
Phone: 312/603-4400
Fax: 312/603-6688
jdaley@cookcountygov.com

District 12
Yes Forrest Claypool
Phone: 312/603-6380
Fax: 312/603-1265
fclaypool@cookcountygov.com

District 13
Yes Larry Suffredin
Phone: 312/603-6383
Fax: 312/603-3622
lsuffredin@cookcountygov.com

District 14
No Gregg Goslin
Phone: 312/603-4932
Fax: 312/603-3686
commissionergoslin@cookcountygov.com

District 15
Yes Timothy O. Schneider
Phone: 312/603-6388
toschneider@cookcountygov.com

District 16
No Anthony J. Peraica
Phone: 312/603-6384
Fax: 312/603-4744
ajperaica@cookcountygov.com

District 17
No Elizabeth Ann Doody Gorman
Phone: 312/603-4215
Fax: 312/603-2014
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Posted 04 December 2007 - 09:35 PM

Well done, Garand.

Folks, between this contact list, and this letter, Garand has done a considerable amount of work. At the very least we all (even those of us outside of Cook) need to send an email to each of the commissioners. I still believe that phone calls, FAXes, snail mails, and (best yet) personal visits have more impact than emails, but if an email is all you can manage, it's a whole lot better than nothing.

Let's "git-r-done!"
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Posted 09 December 2007 - 08:19 PM

From ISRA:

Cook County Board Poised to Shut Down Cabela's Superstore

CHICAGO, Dec. 9 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ -- The following was released
today by the Illinois State Rifle Association (ISRA):

Just weeks after its gala grand opening, the Cabela's superstore in
Hoffman Estates, IL is facing closure by the Cook County (IL) Board. This
impending action stems from a pair of proposed county ordinances
prohibiting the retail sale of firearms at a location 15 miles or less from
any other federally licensed firearm dealer. The proposals further prohibit
retail sale of firearms within one mile of any school, church, place of
worship, nursing home, homeless shelter, public housing, or military
installation. With respect to these restrictions, Cabela's Hoffman Estates
store loses on all counts - as does every other federally-licensed gun
dealer in Cook County.

"This proposal is an election year stunt instigated by Cook County
Commissioner, Larry Suffredin," said ISRA Executive Director, Richard
Pearson. "Although this is something that we'd expect to see from a
gun-control extremist like Suffredin, I'm surprised to see astute
politicians like Commissioners Claypool, Quigley, and Murphy signing on as
co-sponsors to this farce."

"Cabela's Hoffman Estates store employs hundreds of Cook County
residents and brings in millions of sales tax dollars for the County,"
continued Pearson. "If Cabela's cannot sell firearms, then there is no
Cabela's. If there is no Cabela's, then those retail dollars flee to
DuPage, Kane or Will counties. The cash-strapped Cook County treasury
really can't afford such a huge hit just because Larry Suffredin doesn't
like people who own guns."

"From a practical standpoint, Suffredin's proposal is a non-starter,"
commented Pearson. "It bears repeating that the Chicago Police Department
has determined that 88% of murderers have previous criminal records as do
76% of murder victims. Federally-licensed firearm dealers are not the
problem - career criminals are."

"Furthermore", continued Pearson. "When was the last known case where
someone walks out the door of a gun shop, in the door of a nursing home,
and then proceeds to shoot the place up? The same Chicago Police Department
report lists alleyways as being popular places to get murdered. Why then,
did Suffredin not specify that no gun shop could be within one mile of an
alley? The reason is simple - shock value. Suffredin prefers to play on the
plight of our most vulnerable citizens in order to advance his quixotic
campaign to disarm hunters and sportsmen. Commonsense is not part of the
Suffredin lexicon."

"One insidious side-effect of the Suffredin proposal is that it deeply
erodes the home-rule authority of many of the larger communities in Cook
County," noted Pearson.

"The Suffredin proposal is expensive, ineffective, divisive and
impractical," said Pearson. "I hope that Board President Stroger has the
wisdom to immediately reject Suffredin's showboating."


If ISRA isn't exaggerating, this proposed ordinance (or these proposed ordinances? I only knew of one) is (are?) even crazier than I had thought. Not just schools and parks, but churches, places of worship, nursing homes, homeless shelters, public housing, and military installations, too? And they would shut down Cabela's?

I think we need to verify as much of this as we can, and if it checks out, start getting letters to the editors of Chicagoland newspapers. The economic impact of the Cabela's thing alone should mobilize some people who don't care about gun rights.
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Posted 09 December 2007 - 09:04 PM

I will be really surprised if he gets away with this..
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Posted 09 December 2007 - 09:26 PM

I will be really surprised if he gets away with this..

I don't know enough about Cook County politics to make a judgment on that. You may very well be right, but I think we need to take the threat seriously.

Better to overreact to a false alarm than to get bitten by a threat underestimated.
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Posted 09 December 2007 - 09:59 PM

All of this stuff, including the ISRA alert, has me dumbfounded.

I say that because I am quite sure that one given municipality cannot invoke home-rule authority to usurp another municipalities home-rule authority.

And we will all be confused until someone who knows Illinois home-rule politics and law pipes up and tells us what is possible, and what is not.
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Posted 10 December 2007 - 12:14 PM

And we will all be confused until someone who knows Illinois home-rule politics and law pipes up and tells us what is possible, and what is not.


Think there's anyone out there that can?

If you or DW, or some of the other very capable people on this site can't, how high are your expectations for anyone else?
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Posted 10 December 2007 - 12:36 PM

And we will all be confused until someone who knows Illinois home-rule politics and law pipes up and tells us what is possible, and what is not.


Think there's anyone out there that can?



Well, that's what puzzles me about the ISRA release. I'd think, given years of work in Springfield and that home-rule plays heavily into firearm legislation, that Rich Pearson would have a pretty good handle on the state's home rule statutes. I suspect that Vallandingham has some pretty good insight into this...into just what is legally doable by Cook, and what is not.

One of the major problems with home rule is that things get complicated very quickly into a patchwork of varying laws. I do know that Hoffman Estates voted to eliminate their gun registration law (which was good in and of itself, but which they did only when they smelled the $$, slimy bastages). What else they passed I don't know. But by the IL constitution (Sec. 6 of Article VII), HE must have an ordinance that specifically conflicts with those of Cook (or with those proposed by Cook). HE Cabela's sells ARs so they (in theory) must be specifically exempt from Cook's semiauto ban. Now, regarding the new proposal by Suffredin, Hoffman might be forced to pass some sort of home rule zoning law that would directly conflict with Suffredin's proposal.

So, what this whole scenario represents is a tit-for-tat gun-control arms race that makes this damned state so pitifully complicated. The antis can't get what they want passed in Springfield so they pass it at the county and city levels. These dolts up here in Chicago think all these laws, ordinances, and restrictions are progressive.....complicated and confusing laws, that don't accomplish what they are supposed to.... Yes Larry. That's progressive.

With so many frigging problems in Chicago and Cook....you wonder why those yahoo's spend time with this meaningless crap. Grandstanding....I must agree with the ISRA that Larry is grandstanding and little else.
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Posted 10 December 2007 - 01:03 PM

Is Cabela's corporate bigwigs aware of what is happening? They may not be willing to shut down their brand new superstore without a fight. Perhaps a friendly phone call to corporate headquarters is in order to tip off the corporate lawyers. They may just tell Suffredin to 'Shut the &#@% up!"
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Posted 10 December 2007 - 04:20 PM

Is Cabela's corporate bigwigs aware of what is happening? They may not be willing to shut down their brand new superstore without a fight. Perhaps a friendly phone call to corporate headquarters is in order to tip off the corporate lawyers. They may just tell Suffredin to 'Shut the &#@% up!"


Well, they are now! Just got off the phone with them and I am sending them the info as we speak.

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Posted 10 December 2007 - 04:40 PM

Atta girl, Molly! Now let's see if Cabela's want's to add a little corporate muscle to the fight! If so, then they have certainly earned some of my business. A few more calls and letters showing our support of them might not hurt. I will do that first thing tomorrow.

Good Goin' Molly!!
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Posted 10 December 2007 - 05:27 PM

Well, they are now! Just got off the phone with them and I am sending them the info as we speak.

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Posted 10 December 2007 - 05:56 PM

Well, they are now! Just got off the phone with them and I am sending them the info as we speak.

Molly B.



Molly, you truly do deserve your nickname!!


Well some folks call IllinoisCarry an "online discussion forum" - I call it an "online ACTION forum"!
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Posted 10 December 2007 - 06:13 PM

Great job, Molly.

Frankly, I suspect that might have been one of the hoped-for responses from the ISRA press release.

It's just too bad that the company and others worked so hard to bring the store in play, only to go almost immediately on defense. I hope they put a serious damper on those commissioners and their hair-brained, over-regulatory and socialist ideas.

I wish more commissioners were like Tony Peraica.
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Posted 10 December 2007 - 06:34 PM

Molly...where should we direct support?
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Posted 10 December 2007 - 06:49 PM

Molly...where should we direct support?



Well, for one, folks could write the commissioners in and near Hoffman Estates. Hoffman Estates is largely south of I-90 tollway, but Cabela's is north of I-90. The district dividing line is east/west about at I-90. So....I suspect that the commissioner covering the store location is Gregg Goslin (14th District), but surely many of Cabela's employees live in surrounding areas, including Timothy O. Schneider's district (15th District) to the south.

Write them and urge their opposition to this measure. In fact, a NO vote is not enough. Urge these guys to get out there, to get votal, and FIGHT against this measure. It DIRECTLY and negatively affects their communities (in addition to the larger rights issues at play here).

For what it's worth to your calls or emails, Greg Goslin voted NO for the Cook semi-auto ban, while Schneider voted YES to the ban. You might either thank or criticize accordingly. Neither of these guys responded when I wrote earlier about Suffredin's proposal...

Greg Goslin commissionergoslin@cookcountygov.com
http://www.co.cook.i.../district14.htm

Timothy Schneider toschneider@cookcountygov.com
http://www.co.cook.i.../district15.htm
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Posted 13 February 2008 - 11:19 AM

Illinois Gun Owner Lobby Day, Tues. March 11th - Springfield Hilton 12Noon!
Now is the time to be scheduling the day off work, booking your seat on one of the many buses from around the state, ordering your IGOLD t-shirt and cap, and talking to all your friends and family about how important it is to attend IGOLD. For more information on buses, the agenda for the day, and ordering information please go to www.IGOLD.isra.org.

Ammo Registration and Ban
The following bill has been scheduled for hearing in the House Executive Committe this Thurs. Feb. 14. Please call the committee members below and urge them to vote against this bill! This is another HUGE imposition on law-abiding citizens and does absolutely nothing to stop violence or punish criminals. Be polite but be firm.
HB4259 AMMUNITION ACCOUNTABILITY (Ammo Registration and Ban)
Creates the Ammunition Accountability Act. Provides that all firearm ammunition manufactured or sold in the State of Illinois on or after January 1, 2010 shall be coded by the manufacturer. Provides that effective January 1, 2011, all firearm ammunition used within the State of Illinois shall be coded by the manufacturer. Provides that on or after January 1, 2011, a person in possession of non-coded ammunition that was manufactured prior to January 1, 2010, may transfer the same only to an heir, to an individual residing in another state maintaining the ammunition in another state, or to a federally licensed firearms dealer. Provides that the Department of State Police shall be responsible for establishing and maintaining an Ammunition Coding System Database (ACSD) containing specified information. Establishes penalties and exemptions.

House Sponsors - Rep. William Davis
Hearings
Executive Committee Hearing Feb 14 2008 11:00AM Capitol Building Room 118 Springfield, IL

Chairperson : Daniel J. Burke (217) 782-1117
Vice-Chairperson : Joseph M. Lyons (217) 782-8400
Republican Spokesperson : Dan Brady
Member: Edward J. Acevedo (217) 782-2855
Member: Maria Antonia Berrios (217) 558-1032
Member: Bob Biggins
Member: Richard T. Bradley (217) 782-8117
Member: Brent Hassert (217) 782-4179
Member: James H. Meyer (217) 782-8028
Member: Robert S. Molaro (217) 782-5280
Member: Robert Rita (217) 558-1000
Member: Angelo Saviano (217) 782-3374
Member: Arthur L. Turner (217) 782-8116

66 Counties Have Now Passed the Pro-Second Amendment Resolution !!
Morgan County has joined the ranks of Illinois Counties supporting the Second Amendment. That brings us to 66 counties and several more counties will be voting on the Resolution this next week. The following County Board members will be voting on the Resolution this next week and need to hear from YOU!!

Peoria, Macon, and Moultrie County - Feb. 14th

The Resolution will be brought before the full boards in Peoria, Macon, and Moultrie Counties on Thursday Feb. 14th. If you live in these counties please call your county board members and urge them to support the resolution and attend the board meeting to show your support.

McHenry County - Feb. 19th
The McHenry Co. Law & Justice committee unanimously approved the resolution for consideration of the full board on Tuesday, February 19th at 7:00 PM. The meeting will be held at the County Administration Building on Ware Rd and Rte 47 (Seminary Ave.) in Woodstock, IL. The official address is 2200 N. Seminary Ave., but the meeting is in the building on the Northeast side of Rte 47 and Ware Rd. This is where public input will have significant impact to the passing of this resolution. Please attend in support of the Second Amendment - if you cannot attend please call your county board members and urge them to vote in favor of the resolution.


LaSalle County - Feb. 19th
The LaSalle County Legislation and Rules Committee has asked for input from the residents of the county concerning the Pro-Second Amendment Resolution. The next meeting of the Legislation and Rules committee is 19 Feb, 0900. Please contact the committee members below and express your support for the Resolution and ask them to forward it to the full board for consideration.

Don Jordan, D-Streator, 815-672-5879
Allen Erbrederis, R-Somonauk, 815-498-9675
Tom Walsh, D-Ottawa, 815-434-6750
Dan Flanagan, D- Mendota, 815-539-9028
Richard Scott, D-Ottawa, 815-433-4962
Tom Ganiere, D-Ottawa, 815-433-4457
George Gruenwald, D- La Salle, 815-223-4507

Douglas County - will be presented to the full board for a vote - Feb. 20th

Illinois Woman Speaks Out About Tinley Park Murders and the Need for Self-Defense Law!! http://www.wlsam.com/Article.asp?id=574532&spid=17424

While details still remain sketchy about this horrible crime, our hearts and prayers go out to the families, friends, and communities of the five women slain in a Tinley Park, IL clothing store. We offer our words of condolence and can only hope time can ease the shock and heartbreak caused by such a senseless crime.

Whether this was a completely random act or perpetrated by someone who knew one of the women, one thing is certain - these defenseless women were all victims of more than a violent criminal. While many people are saying “They were victims of the society we live in”, IllinoisCarry believes the women were also victims of the state in which they were in - Illinois.

We can compare the incident in Tinley Park with a recent incident in Colorado. Colorado is a state which licenses its citizens to carry a firearm for personal protection. Illinois on the other hand is one of only two states which does not have a current law providing citizens with such a license and also considers it a felony violation of the criminal code to carry a loaded weapon period. In fact, the Illinois State Police webpage recommends that Illinois women should protect themselves with a rat tail comb, nail file, or car keys. (ISP website)

In the Colorado incident, a woman in a Colorado Springs church stopped a deranged person who had already killed several people and was intent on killing more. Jean Assam, a member of the church and licensed by the state of Colorado to carry a personal firearm, used her own gun to stop the attacker from entering a populated area of the church and is hailed as a hero in her community.

Would having a personal firearm for protection have prevented or lessened the number of women killed in the Tinley Park store? That is a question we may never be able to answer but there is a question we can answer - Are Illinois women any less deserving of the right to protect themselves against violent crime than the women in the 48 states with some form of a Right to Carry law like neighboring Indiana or Missouri? Are Illinois women somehow more inept, less intelligent, less capable of protecting themselves than the women in Kentucky, Tennessee, Ohio, or the rest of the country? NO! In the face of a violent crime such as the one in Tinley Park, the women of Illinois deserve the right to protect themselves with something more than a nail file or car key.

We urge the women of Illinois to contact their state legislators and demand a Right to Carry law in the state of Illinois.

Ms. Rowe is a firearms instructor and spokeswoman for IllinoisCarry.com, an online forum dedicated to securing a Right to Carry law for law abiding citizens in Illinois.

IllinoisCarry.com is an online forum dedicated to securing a Right to Carry Law in Illinois which is one of only two states left that does not honor a citizen's right to carry a firearm for self-defense. Illinois gun owners are invited to join in the discussion and action!
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Posted 13 February 2008 - 11:58 AM

[quote name='Molly B.' date='Feb 13 2008, 11:19 AM' post='70659']

Ammo Registration and Ban
The following bill has been scheduled for hearing in the House Executive Committe this Thurs. Feb. 14. Please call the committee members below and urge them to vote against this bill! This is another HUGE imposition on law-abiding citizens and does absolutely nothing to stop violence or punish criminals. Be polite but be firm.
HB4259 AMMUNITION ACCOUNTABILITY (Ammo Registration and Ban)
Creates the Ammunition Accountability Act. Provides that all firearm ammunition manufactured or sold in the State of Illinois on or after January 1, 2010 shall be coded by the manufacturer. Provides that effective January 1, 2011, all firearm ammunition used within the State of Illinois shall be coded by the manufacturer. Provides that on or after January 1, 2011, a person in possession of non-coded ammunition that was manufactured prior to January 1, 2010, may transfer the same only to an heir, to an individual residing in another state maintaining the ammunition in another state, or to a federally licensed firearms dealer. Provides that the Department of State Police shall be responsible for establishing and maintaining an Ammunition Coding System Database (ACSD) containing specified information. Establishes penalties and exemptions.

House Sponsors - Rep. William Davis
Hearings
Executive Committee Hearing Feb 14 2008 11:00AM Capitol Building Room 118 Springfield, IL

Chairperson : Daniel J. Burke (217) 782-1117
Vice-Chairperson : Joseph M. Lyons (217) 782-8400
Republican Spokesperson : Dan Brady
Member: Edward J. Acevedo (217) 782-2855
Member: Maria Antonia Berrios (217) 558-1032
Member: Bob Biggins
Member: Richard T. Bradley (217) 782-8117
Member: Brent Hassert (217) 782-4179
Member: James H. Meyer (217) 782-8028
Member: Robert S. Molaro (217) 782-5280
Member: Robert Rita (217) 558-1000
Member: Angelo Saviano (217) 782-3374
Member: Arthur L. Turner (217) 782-8116
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In addition to HB 4259, you will also want to express your opposition to the companion bill HB4349, ammunition encoding, which is in the same committee to be heard the same day. Details of it follow:

HB4349 Ammunition Encoding Serial numbered ammo
Synopsis As Introduced
Creates the Regulated Firearms Encoded Ammunition Act and amends the State Finance Act. Provides that a manufacturer of ammunition for handguns and certain specified assault weapons sold in this State after January 1, 2009 must encode the ammunition in such a manner that the Director of State Police establishes. Provides that ammunition contained in one ammunition box may not be labeled with the same serial number as the ammunition contained in any other ammunition box from the same manufacturer. Provides that on or before January 1, 2011, an owner of ammunition for use in a regulated firearm that is not encoded by the manufacturer shall dispose of the ammunition. Provides that beginning on January 1, 2009, the Director of State Police shall establish and maintain an encoded ammunition database. Creates the Ammunition Accountability Fund as a special fund in the State treasury. Provides that subject to appropriation, the Department of State Police may use moneys from the Fund to establish and maintain the encoded ammunition database. Provides that beginning January 1, 2009, each person selling encoded ammunition at retail in this State shall collect from retail customers a fee of $0.05 for each round that is sold and delivered in this State. Establishes civil and criminal penalties for violations of the Regulated Firearms Encoded Ammunition Act. Effective January 1, 2009

Are you a member of the ISRA?? If not, why not?? Join over 18,000 other Illinois gun owners in the fight for your rights!!!

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Posted 27 February 2008 - 09:49 PM

WEDNESDAY, FEB. 27TH

ISRA Alert:

VOICE YOUR OPPOSITION TO TWO GUN CONTROL BILLS

A pair of gun control bills passed out of the Executive Committee today:

The first bill, HB4357, would prohibit the ownership most of the rifles, shotguns and pistols now on the market.

The second bill, HB4393 would prohibit the purchasing of more than one firearm per month.

HERE IS WHAT YOU MUST DO TO SAVE YOUR GUNS

1. Contact your State Representative and politely tell him/her that you are opposed to HB4357 and HB4393 and that you would like for him/her to vote against the bill when it comes up. If you do not know who your State Representative is, then go to www.ilga.gov and follow the “Legislator Lookup” link.

2. Pass this alert along to all your gun-owning friends and ask them to follow the instructions above.

3. Please post this alert to any and all Internet bulletin boards to which you belong.


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