The good Ol' Boys of SAF have done it again... Winning an Injunction against D.C. in regards to their oppressive "Need" requirements, for a Conceal Carry License. YEAH!

Wrenn v. DC
#1
Posted 18 May 2015 - 06:38 PM
#2
Posted 18 May 2015 - 06:42 PM
The Second Amendment Foundation (SAF) today won a preliminary injunction against the District of Columbia and Metropolitan Police Chief Cathy Lanier’s enforcement of a requirement to provide a “good reason” when applying for a concealed carry permit.
You have to justify why you might need to defend yourself???
“Those who surrender freedom for security will not have, nor do they deserve, either one.”
― Benjamin Franklin
"The right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
#3
Posted 18 May 2015 - 06:43 PM
Nice
Edited by transplant, 18 May 2015 - 06:43 PM.
#4
Posted 18 May 2015 - 06:49 PM
Wonderful! Hopefully this will help our friends in other May-Issue jurisdictions.
-- Frank
NRA Life Member - NRA Basic Pistol Instructor - NRA PPIH Instructor - NRA PPOH Instructor - IL Firearms Concealed Carry Instructor - ITWT Club Member #438
"The Supreme Court has decided that the amendment confers a right to bear arms for self-defense, which is as important outside the home as inside." -Moore v. Madigan, 7th Circuit Court of Appeals, December 11, 2012
#5
Posted 18 May 2015 - 06:59 PM
"If you can't explain it to a six-year old, you don't understand it yourself." - Albert Einstein (paraphrased)
#6
Posted 18 May 2015 - 07:32 PM
NRA, ISRA, GOA, SAF
#7
Posted 18 May 2015 - 07:33 PM
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Edited by transplant, 18 May 2015 - 07:34 PM.
#8
Posted 18 May 2015 - 07:35 PM
Preliminary injunction (for reals this time):
Attached Files
#9
Posted 18 May 2015 - 08:02 PM
#10
Posted 18 May 2015 - 08:11 PM
IT IS SO ORDERED.
Dated: May 18, 2015
Syracuse, New York
Apparently Judge Scullin has business in New York. He is likely at least somewhat aware of the UnSAFE Act and New York's handgun and carry infringements.
#11
Posted 18 May 2015 - 08:32 PM
If anything, it puts more pressure on SCOTUS to answer the question.
Illinois Concealed Carry Firearms Instructor
NRA Range Safety Officer
#12
Posted 18 May 2015 - 08:33 PM
And then 2 things happened. A Facebook post by a person who stiffed me on a job, complaining of a different problem that she's unable to get fixed at "friends and family" prices. - Grin
And then this thread. Really Really Big Grin

I've found my calm in the chaos
Edited by KarlJ, 18 May 2015 - 08:34 PM.
Registration is only a step.
The prohibition of private firearms is the goal."
Janet Reno
U.S. Attorney General
1993-12-10
"If the personal freedoms guaranteed by the Constitution inhibit the governments ability to govern the people, we should look to limit those guarantees."
Bill Clinton
1993-08-12
#13
Posted 18 May 2015 - 08:54 PM
Plaintiffs argue that the District of Columbia's "good reason"/"proper reason" requirement
fails intermediate scrutiny because it does not advance its interest in preventing crime or protecting
public safety. See Dkt. no. 6-2 at 25. Specifically, this regulation is not directed at dangerous
people, does not regulate the manner of carrying handguns, and does not impose any place
restrictions. See id. (citing Peruta, 742 F.3d at 1176-77). To support this position, Plaintiffs rely on
Fletcher v. Haas, 851 F. Supp. 2d 287 (D. Mass. 2012), and Bateman v. Perdue, 881 F. Supp. 2d
709 (E.D.N.C. 2012).
The fact that a person may have a greater need for self-protection says nothing
about how limiting the carrying of handguns to such individuals would result in a reduction of risk
to other members of the public or reduce violent crime. Is the Court to conclude that people who do
not have a heightened need for self-protection are more likely to commit violent crimes?
This conclusion should not be read to suggest that it would be inappropriate for the District
of Columbia to enact a licensing mechanism that includes appropriate time, place and manner
restrictions on the carrying of handguns in public. The District of Columbia's arbitrary "good 13
reason"/"proper reason" requirement, however, goes far beyond establishing such reasonable
restrictions. Rather, for all intents and purposes, this requirement makes it impossible for the
overwhelming majority of law-abiding citizens to obtain licenses to carry handguns in public for
self-defense, thereby depriving them of their Second Amendment right to bear arms.
Reality does not support their emotional pleas to disarm the good citizens of the USA!
#14
Posted 18 May 2015 - 09:15 PM
Even if they rewrite the ordnance, it will most likely be garbage. These people just won't stop.
#15
Posted 18 May 2015 - 09:38 PM
#16
Posted 18 May 2015 - 09:54 PM
This will continue until the Supreme Court rules in favor of shall issue. It's time for a decision now before more anti judges get added next term
#17
Posted 18 May 2015 - 10:17 PM
The 4th Circuit overturned Judge Legg's decision in Woollard and SCOTUS decline to review it.
This is better than a loss, but I'm not sure how much of a win it is.
― Tiffany Madison―
#18
Posted 18 May 2015 - 10:31 PM
#19
Posted 18 May 2015 - 10:50 PM
The 4th Circuit overturned Judge Legg's decision in Woollard and SCOTUS decline to review it.
This is better than a loss, but I'm not sure how much of a win it is.
It still forces the 4th circuit to have to write an opinion defending their position if they wish to overturn it and it's another voice yelling at SCOTUS to answer the question. Look at how many cases it took for gay marriage to come before SCOTUS.
Edit: I didn't see this was based in DC, so that's a separate circuit, but it still puts pressure on SCOTUS.
Edited by mrpapageorgio, 19 May 2015 - 01:40 PM.
Illinois Concealed Carry Firearms Instructor
NRA Range Safety Officer
#20
Posted 19 May 2015 - 04:45 AM
First, this is not SCOTUS. It is an appeals court.
Second, it is only a preliminary injunction.
Still, Alan spanked the antis again.
#21
Posted 19 May 2015 - 06:50 AM
#22
Posted 19 May 2015 - 07:46 AM
I like that the Judge wants to expedite the case. How often does that happen?
"Legitimate self-defense has absolutely nothing to do with the criminal misuse of guns." Gerald Vernon, veteran firearms instructor
New Gunner Journal
#23
Posted 19 May 2015 - 08:06 AM
First, this is not SCOTUS. It is an appeals court.
Second, it is only a preliminary injunction.
Still, Alan spanked the antis again.
Yep, my bad. Fixing title.
--George OrwellPeople sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men [and women] stand ready to do violence on their behalf.
-- Certified something-or-other by various organizations and governmental entities.
#24
Posted 19 May 2015 - 10:19 AM
yea everyone makes fun of the redneck till the zombies show up. . .
#25
Posted 19 May 2015 - 10:34 AM
SAF Member
C&R License Holder
#26
Posted 19 May 2015 - 10:46 AM
There are still a few (maybe a lot) of elected officials in Illinois who think there is some hope of getting rid of concealed carry in this state and even of rolling back Heller and McDonald. Each decision like this is another nail in the coffin for their fantasies.
Ad utrumque paratus
#27
Posted 19 May 2015 - 11:52 AM
"If you can't explain it to a six-year old, you don't understand it yourself." - Albert Einstein (paraphrased)
#28
Posted 19 May 2015 - 12:09 PM
Two of the plaintiffs in Wrenn are residents of the district, and one is a Florida resident. The judge's order, I presume, applies equally to residents and non-residents.
Anyone planning to take a trip to D.C. , get the training, and submit an application? It's tempting--"just because."
DC's requirements and process is still really really terrible.
#29
Posted 19 May 2015 - 03:27 PM
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#30
Posted 19 May 2015 - 03:40 PM
Even if they rewrite the ordnance, it will most likely be garbage. These people just won't stop.
It's a combination of stupidity and stubbornness. How many lawsuits have been filed against the DC Council including Heller? Maybe eight or nine? They never learn.
-Hapless