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[abolt243]

Molly B., on Nov 8 2007, 02:17 PM, said:

wazzle, on Nov 8 2007, 01:41 PM, said:

I am relatively new around here and have a question. I have noticed that the maps that are posted on this website and the ones on pro2aresolution.com are different at times.  Where did this resolution start and who is really responsible for it? Do the people from the pro2a website read the posts here? I am wondering if there are actually 2 groups at work and maybe the communication should be a little better.

A little complicated.  The resolution started with Mark Mountain and Jim Logsdon of Pike and Brown County.  I don't think they had a website at the time.  Folks here began to track progress.  Since then Mark and the others from Pro-2A created their website.  There is some minor differences of opinion on the colors and when a county goes yellow or red BUT we all have the same goal and support the efforts of both sites.  

Who is responsible for the resolution?  In my opinion the cudos for origination go to Mark and Jim. But ultimately it goes to  all the folks like you who pick up the baton and carry the resolution through your own counties.  This is a grassroots revolution that belongs to the people.

Many of us watch both sites and share the info back and forth.  We are all in this together.  As in any large effort that involves many people there are little miscommunications and  duplication of effort but we all seem to take that in stride.

Molly B.

Absolutely right Molly as regards the current wave of resolutions sweeping the state.  I must praise my local ISRA guy here in Shelby County though.  Jim Warren, a county board member himself and the local ISRA contact, went to the county board back in 2003 after a spate of gun laws was proposed in Springfield and had a similar proposal passed here.  He then sent copies to both houses of legislature as well as the gov.  After Mark and Jim L. resurected the idea this Spring, Jim W. had a confirmation vote here to re-enforce the stance.  Not to take away at all from the work that's been done by the folks in Pike and Brown counties, on this board and across the state to get this movement rolling.  Without everyone's efforts, we wouldn't be at 56 and counting.  I'm just kinda proud that a local, home-town fella' had the idea several years ago.  

"Just the facts ma'am, just the facts".  

Let's see now, 56 green, 6 more proposed.  If we get all of them, that'll put us at 60+%!!!!!!!!    Who'da thunk back in May that we'd have 60% before Thanksgiving!!!?????  

Now, I gotta check with my buddy in Bond and Clinton counties and see if he's heard anything.

AB

[Molly B.]

abolt243, on Nov 8 2007, 03:56 PM, said:

Molly B., on Nov 8 2007, 02:17 PM, said:

wazzle, on Nov 8 2007, 01:41 PM, said:

I am relatively new around here and have a question. I have noticed that the maps that are posted on this website and the ones on pro2aresolution.com are different at times.  Where did this resolution start and who is really responsible for it? Do the people from the pro2a website read the posts here? I am wondering if there are actually 2 groups at work and maybe the communication should be a little better.

A little complicated.  The resolution started with Mark Mountain and Jim Logsdon of Pike and Brown County.  I don't think they had a website at the time.  Folks here began to track progress.  Since then Mark and the others from Pro-2A created their website.  There is some minor differences of opinion on the colors and when a county goes yellow or red BUT we all have the same goal and support the efforts of both sites.  

Who is responsible for the resolution?  In my opinion the cudos for origination go to Mark and Jim. But ultimately it goes to  all the folks like you who pick up the baton and carry the resolution through your own counties.  This is a grassroots revolution that belongs to the people.

Many of us watch both sites and share the info back and forth.  We are all in this together.  As in any large effort that involves many people there are little miscommunications and  duplication of effort but we all seem to take that in stride.

Molly B.

Absolutely right Molly as regards the current wave of resolutions sweeping the state.  I must praise my local ISRA guy here in Shelby County though.  Jim Warren, a county board member himself and the local ISRA contact, went to the county board back in 2003 after a spate of gun laws was proposed in Springfield and had a similar proposal passed here.  He then sent copies to both houses of legislature as well as the gov.  After Mark and Jim L. resurected the idea this Spring, Jim W. had a confirmation vote here to re-enforce the stance.  Not to take away at all from the work that's been done by the folks in Pike and Brown counties, on this board and across the state to get this movement rolling.  Without everyone's efforts, we wouldn't be at 56 and counting.  I'm just kinda proud that a local, home-town fella' had the idea several years ago.  

"Just the facts ma'am, just the facts".  

Let's see now, 56 green, 6 more proposed.  If we get all of them, that'll put us at 60+%!!!!!!!!    Who'da thunk back in May that we'd have 60% before Thanksgiving!!!?????  

Now, I gotta check with my buddy in Bond and Clinton counties and see if he's heard anything.

AB

You, sir, are quite right - Shelby County did pass a resolution back a few years ago - Mac told me about that earlier in the year and it slipped the old noodle somehow.

[SmershAgent]

As a reminder, there are 5 full board votes coming up this week.

Tomorrow are Cass and Ford counties.

The next day (Tues) are Vermillion, Grundy, and Marion (went from red back to yellow, and hopefully to green).

[Ol'Coach]

Ashdump has heard that the vote in Vermillion may just be by a committee on whether or not to send it to the full board.  They may want to study it further.  Can't verify either way...guess we'll know after tomorrow.

[Molly B.]

Molly B., on Nov 7 2007, 10:40 PM, said:

Pro 2A site has added Cass and Grundy County.

Two more YELLOW!!

Molly B.

Ford County goes YELLOW tto!!

[Ol'Coach]

map updated:

[Mac]

Molly B., on Nov 11 2007, 09:18 PM, said:

Molly B., on Nov 7 2007, 10:40 PM, said:

Pro 2A site has added Cass and Grundy County.

Two more YELLOW!!

Molly B.

Ford County goes YELLOW tto!!

Did Rock Island go back to yellow?

[Ashdump]

Ol, on Nov 11 2007, 07:08 PM, said:

Ashdump has heard that the vote in Vermillion may just be by a committee on whether or not to send it to the full board.  They may want to study it further.  Can't verify either way...guess we'll know after tomorrow.

As of right now, this is all second hand information, so we will know for sure tommorow nite! Here is an E-mail I recieved from one of our members this morning.....

"Matt, I just got off the phone with Don Dunavan, you remember him, about the county resolution vote for Tuesday. He said there should be no way it will be defeated. That Jim Mcmahon the chairman is very much behind it and everyone he knows plans to support it."

[Ol'Coach]

April, 2007 (except Oswego Township in Kendall County...couldn't get it edited out!

[GarandFan]

It's great to hear that about Vermillion, Ashdump.

For some reason, I was getting a bit worried about that county.  Danville is what, 35,000 people?  The more "urban" a county gets, the less supportive they seem to be regarding 2A rights.

Not that I am calling Danville an "urban area", mind you, while sitting in downdown Chicago....   But nonetheless, 35,000 is a sizeable town.  It would be great to have Vermillion "on board."

[GarandFan]

ATTENTION:

I've made three lists of the remaining of counties (not green and not yellow).  My thinking is that we should be hitting these counties hard with this resolution.  It might be that no people in some of those counties are aware of of these resolutions, and we might use our networking to get folks involved and pushing for the resolution in those counties.  Anyway, I think some systematic effort will pay off here.

Maybe Mountain and Logsdon have some ideas as well....  someone might get in contact with them.

But at the very least, those of us that are active here might elect to try to move the efforts forward.

I am listing these in no particular order (but more or less south to north and west to east).  I place the more urban counties in a second list, and think we should worry about them later.  I place the so-called collar counties...the greater Chicago metro area counties...on yet another list (far below).   The more urban non-collar counties, and certainly the Chicago "collar counties" will of course be the most difficult for these resolutions.  

Of course, my rule-of-thumb belief here is that the more urban a county is, the more resistance they will place on this resolution.  I think that belief is not only reasonable, but has largely played out with the exception of Winnebago county (Rockford) which was a spectacular "win" for our movement.

Here are the counties we should move on:
Clinton
Bond
Jersey
Scott
Morgan
Mason
Menard
Moultrie
Douglas
McDonough
Henderson
Mercer
Knox
Stark
Marshall
Bureau
LaSalle
Kankakee
Carroll
Whiteside
Ogle
Lee
Boone
Dekalb

The more urban counties, that are more difficult....:
Jackson - Carbondale
St. Clair - East St. Louis
Madison - East St. Louis
Sangamon - Springfield
Macon - Decatur
Champaign - Urbana/Champaign
McLean - Bloomington/Normal
Peoria - Peoria

The greater metro-area "collar" counties, that will be the most difficult:
McHenry
Lake
Kane
Dupage
Kendall
Will

I guess I mis-stated myself....four lists.  In a league of it's own:
Cook

[Ol'Coach]

Quote

Danville an "urban area",

You've toouched on the problem with Champaign County Board thinking, and CU in general.

Because of the UI and all it offers in the way of entertainment, and all the many fine restaurants here, they tend to picture themselves as "urbanites" everything else in the county as "rural"!

It's claimed that per capita, more people eat out in CU than other city in the state!

Sometimes they need reminding, as Paul V. has done, that the major source of income in Champaign County is not through the UI, but is farm produce!

Hard to believe, but true!!  All ya gotta do is drive through the county in July, and you'll know!

"Breadbasket of the world"!

[Ol'Coach]

Nice summation, GF!

[sctman800]

Ol, on Nov 12 2007, 11:50 AM, said:

Nice summation, GF!

I just got e-mails from two  Vermilion County board members affirming their support and that they see no problem with its passage.  another board member is forewarding my e-mail to all the other board members.  I really think we are looking good.
Please anyone attending, only discuss the resolution and NO MORE NEW LAWS, Concealed carry and other discussions do not belong in this endeaver.   Jim.

[Ol'Coach]

Just hung up from Ralph Jones, our man in Ford County who has been responsible for the work there.

It is on the agenda, and the Board Chairperson (a lady) is in full support!
They meet at 7 P.M. tonight.  He will call.

[Molly B.]

Sangamon County Board members - 20 out of 29 are listed as republican . . . that should help our cause.  Wonder if Sangamon County Rifle Association would like to head up our efforts there?  I will mention this to them.
Molly B.

[Ol'Coach]

OK...Find the edit!
Vote = 11/zip, in favor!
County Sheriff gave the supporting speech!

!

[GarandFan]

FORD!!!!

Vote = 11/zip, in favor!
County Sheriff gave the supporting speech!



What about Cass county??

[Ol'Coach]

GF, for your astute observation, you win the Green Beanie!!!



Cass County...haven't heard yet!

X (fingers)

[Molly B.]

GarandFan, on Nov 12 2007, 08:48 PM, said:

FORD!!!!

Vote = 11/zip, in favor!
County Sheriff gave the supporting speech!

Can we get a copy of that speech?

Molly B.

[Ol'Coach]

Dunno...Ralph Jones, who did the leg work in Ford phoned me, so excited he could hardly talk!
I'll ask.

By the way, GSL guys have been reponsible for all these counties now in green surrounding Champaign County!
Edit:Matt Thomas
Ralph Jones
John Hamilton
Sctman800

I'm sure others helped, but I know these guys have done the work!

[SmershAgent]

Vermilion, Grundy, and Marion are all up tocay.

If Grundy passes theirs, it will be the closest county geopgraphically to Cook County to have done so.

[Ol'Coach]

Talked to a gentleman in the Cass County, County Clerk office.

The Res did not get on the agenda last night.  It was discussed in committee just prior to the full Board meeting, and they want to review it for possible word changes.

I'm gonna take it back to white on the master, but won't repost it until we hear from those other counties today.

[sctman800]

As of now I have heard back from five Vermilion County Board members with four yes and one no.  Ashdump said he will be there and let us know.  Fingers crossed!!!!!   Jim.

[Ol'Coach]

Sctman...I knew I forgot somebody!

My apologies!  I've been told you did most of the legwork in Vermillion!

[Ashdump]

Ol, on Nov 13 2007, 12:54 PM, said:

Sctman...I knew I forgot somebody!

My apologies!  I've been told you did most of the legwork in Vermillion!

Sctman did the hard work, I just kinda followed his lead!

[Ashdump]

Well, off to the board meeting! Wish us luck!

[45superman]

Go get 'em, Tiger   !

[GarandFan]

Great work, people!  Tonight could be good....three counties supposedly to vote.  Will check this thread with interest.

[Ashdump]

Vermilion goes green!!!!!

22 yeah, 1 no, 1 no vote, 3 absent