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[Ocellairs]

SmershAgent, on Aug 27 2007, 01:12 PM, said:

I'm pleased that the comments are overwhelmingly positive. The last one was pretty awful, though:

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I think the government should outlaw guns, and confiscate them all, whether you are a law-abiding citizen or not. We should trust that our government will handle this fairly. We should also abolish the 2nd amendment. It is outdated and there is no need for it in a modern society.

Just a professional troll trying to get some steam created for his/her enjoyment.

[Molly B.]

Just received the official phone call from Saline Co. Clerk's office -

Thurs. Aug. 23, 2007 Saline Co. board passed the Pro Second Amendment Resolution unanimously - as written.

Another great day in Illinois history!

Saline County Goes Green!!!

[GarandFan]

Welcome back Molly!!!

And boy, are you welcome!  Great news!!  

[gunnmen01]

Any word on Rock Island county? I never could find anything on thier agenda or in the meeting minutes.....


gunnmen01

[Ol'Coach]

The BIG 3-0!

Update map to add Livingston...scroll down!

[Mark Mountain]

Hey coach just heard that Jefferson County goes Green, Make it happen I know you like it, 31 the vote was 11 to 2 7-23-07

[GarandFan]

That's 30% folks!  We are closing in on one-third of Illinois counties.

[Federal Farmer]

I like the moron that said the Second Amendment was unconstitutional!  LOL.

[Federal Farmer]

Was yakkin at Darnalls and someone said that Logan is looking at it...not sure if it is on the agenda for a vote yet or not.  Guy also said Tazwell won't go for it due to Peoria.

[Ol'Coach]

It has been reported by Mr Richard Pearson that Livingston County passed the 2A Resolution some time ago.  

Since that's the official home of the ISRA, he oughta know!
Here's the update:

Missed Jefferson!  That's 32, folks!

[SmershAgent]

dwlawson, on Aug 27 2007, 11:03 PM, said:

Was yakkin at Darnalls and someone said that Logan is looking at it...not sure if it is on the agenda for a vote yet or not.  Guy also said Tazwell won't go for it due to Peoria.

I'm hoping that once Champaign turns green, it might help us when approaching some of the other large, non Chicagoland counties, like Sangamon, McLean, Madison, St. Clair, Rock Island, etc.

[Ol'Coach]

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Guy also said Tazwell won't go for it due to Peoria.

Another University town...Bradley.

But don't bet that he's right!  Get some people working there, who knows?????

[powderhead]

Tazwell county may or may not consider this resoultion, but I don't see what Peoria has to do with that.  Peoria is in Peoria county, as is Bradly Univ..  Now, East Peoria is in Tazwell county.  I think they may have a large liberal population, but keep in mind that they are down state liberals.  I think there's a difference between those and the Chicago kind.  Don't rule out Tazwell yet.  There's always hope!

[Federal Farmer]

powderhead, on Aug 28 2007, 06:13 PM, said:

Tazwell county may or may not consider this resoultion, but I don't see what Peoria has to do with that.  Peoria is in Peoria county, as is Bradly Univ..  Now, East Peoria is in Tazwell county.  I think they may have a large liberal population, but keep in mind that they are down state liberals.  I think there's a difference between those and the Chicago kind.  Don't rule out Tazwell yet.  There's always hope!

Peoria...East Peoria...what's the diff?  It's all a blur to me south of I80! LOL

[Ol'Coach]

This is from the CC Board Meeting, Aug 23, featuring Molly B!

The gentleman at the mc is a former FBI agent speaking in favor of the resolution.

Champaign County Board Meeting

[SmershAgent]

Ol, on Aug 28 2007, 07:18 PM, said:

This is from the CC Board Meeting, Aug 23, featuring Molly B!

The gentleman at the mc is a former FBI agent speaking in favor of the resolution.

Champaign County Board Meeting

Excellent coverage, and my gratitude to all who were involved. Thanks for the linkage.

[Ol'Coach]

(Aside.... I can't wait to link the WICD ch15 coverage...should be in about 3 days!)

Realize, when we get ch 15 on Youtube, we will havea been covered by a CBS affiliate and an ABC affiliate!

[gravyboy77]

SmershAgent, on Aug 28 2007, 07:51 PM, said:

Ol, on Aug 28 2007, 07:18 PM, said:

This is from the CC Board Meeting, Aug 23, featuring Molly B!

The gentleman at the mc is a former FBI agent speaking in favor of the resolution.

Champaign County Board Meeting

Excellent coverage, and my gratitude to all who were involved. Thanks for the linkage.

I second that! Good job everyone.

[SORTX23]

Just got off the phone with the Henry County, County Clerk's Office. I was inquiring about the Pro 2 A Resolution they informed me that they passed a similar resolution, one that specifically opposed SB 0016 (the so-called assault weapon ban). It was Resolution 07-03 Passed in March of 2007.

[SORTX23]

Here is a copy forwarded from Henry County:

RESOLUTION
No. 07-03

Whereas, Henry County has established continued economic development in the County as a major priority; and

Whereas, retention of existing business is one of the major objectives of Henry County’s economic development strategy; and

Whereas, SB0016 would ban the production and possession of many firearms in the State of Illinois, including but not limited to, .50 caliber rifles, .50 caliber ammunition, semi-automatic assault weapons, assault weapon attachments and large capacity ammunition magazines of any caliber; and

Whereas, passage of SB0016 could force three firearms manufacturing companies in Henry County to close their doors; and

Whereas, loss of these three companies would eliminate over 300 direct jobs, millions of dollars in salaries and wages and thousands of dollars in tax revenue; and

Whereas, passage of SB0016 would have a devastating effect on the Henry County economy.

Now Therefore Be It Resolved by the County Board of Henry County, Illinois, that this corporate body, a political subdivision of the State, does hereby go on record as opposing SB0016.

Be It Further Resolved that the County Board of Henry County, Illinois, does hereby request that Illinois legislators consider the negative economic impact of this proposed legislation and vote against SB0016.

Adopted by roll call this 13th day of March, 2007 A.D.
Attest:


County Clerk Tom C. Nicholson, Chairman

Rejected by roll call this 13th day of March, 2007 A.D.
Attest:

The lady I talked to told me she didn't have a way to e-mail me a copy of the signed resolution but that she would see if another office like the State's Attorney had the capabilities. She said that this was the exact coy of the resolution and she assured me it passed. This resolution is similar to the one Brown County passed.

This copy came from:

Colleen Sutton
Administrative Assistant to Henry County Administrator
Henry County Economic Development Partnership Secretary
307 W. Center Street
Cambridge, IL   61238
309-937-3574

www.henrycty.com

I say turn it green!!

[sticks]

SORTX23, on Aug 30 2007, 02:06 PM, said:

she assured me it passed.

I found the following:

http://www.henrycty....2007/march.html

" 26.                   Member John Sovanski, Executive Committee Chairman, moved to  adopt Resolution 07-03 opposing Senate Bill 0016, which would ban the production and possession of many firearms in the State of  Illinois.  Member James Eccher seconded the motion.

                        A Call of the Roll by Clerk Link showed twenty members voting “Aye”:  J. Crouch, J. Eccher, J. Hillman, B. Murphy, T. Nicholson, P. Ripperger, D. Anderson, K. Nelson, M. Gradert, J. King, R. Nordstrom, T. Steele, M. Swanson, M. Weber,  A. DeSmith, J. Kursock, J. May, J. Sovanski, T. Sturtevant, and J. Thompson. Three members were absent:  R. Livesay, R. Grafton, and R. Salisbury.  

Motion Carried."

[Ol'Coach]

Well, I don't know 'bout the green on this one???

It can't be called a 2nd Amendment Resolution.

It was passed almost a month before the present pro-2A res' were being circulated.

On the other hand, it definitely can be added to the stack of resolutions we intend to take to S'field, and that's the purpose of this whole thing, correct?

What's your druthers???

[powderhead]

Coach, I'd say correct.  That's close enough to a second amendment res.for me.  Henry county will feel the economic impact of Blago and Daly gun bans more than other counties.  I say what they have passed is good for green status.

[Mark Mountain]

www.pro2aresolution.com is going green on henry county. #33

[lockman]

Mark Mountain, on Aug 30 2007, 05:14 PM, said:

www.pro2aresolution.com is going green on henry county. #33

I would disagree; it was not a pro 2A resolution. That resolution was an anti SB0016 resolution. That is a specific piece of legislation and says nothing about underlying rights or future infringements. It appears to have been passed for economic reasons.

I say back to the submission stage. Henry Co. did not strike or modify one or two objectionable clauses, they passed something completely different. What about all the other numerous anti-gun bills submitted? This resolution does not even peripherally address them.

[Mark Mountain]

Let the debate begin!

[ishmo]

lockman, on Aug 30 2007, 05:52 PM, said:

Mark Mountain, on Aug 30 2007, 05:14 PM, said:

www.pro2aresolution.com is going green on henry county. #33

I would disagree; it was not a pro 2A resolution. That resolution was an anti SB0016 resolution. That is a specific piece of legislation and says nothing about underlying rights or future infringements. It appears to have been passed for economic reasons.

I say back to the submission stage. Henry Co. did not strike or modify one or two objectionable clauses, they passed something completely different. What about all the other numerous anti-gun bills submitted? This resolution does not even peripherally address them.

Agreed lockman, I think it should stay yellow. It's basically a resolution on economics and I don't really blame them for that.  We all know they aren't going to get any help from Blago or Springfield.  The fact that they passed it though and mentioned a specific bill is encouraging and I think if our 2A resolution gets on the agenda it can be passed, but will probably take some more work.

[SORTX23]

If that's the case then you better remove Livingston, Shelby, Brown and Henry because Livingston, Shelby and Brown are worded different than our resolution and Henry has nothing else pending on any committee agenda or full board agenda.

[lockman]

SORTX23, on Aug 30 2007, 11:39 PM, said:

If that's the case then you better remove Livingston, Shelby, Brown and Henry because Livingston, Shelby and Brown are worded different than our resolution and Henry has nothing else pending on any committee agenda or full board agenda.

You can't expect all counties to pass identically worded resolutions, but as long as it is based on a core principle it would be acceptable.

The core value of the resolution accepted should contain: Acknowledgment of the right to keep and bear arms recognized by the U.S. Constitution and that no further regulation is necessary effecting law-abiding firearm owners.

That gives the counties a lot of wiggle room and still be a pro 2a resolution.

All other factors are secondary and can be stated, omitted or modified to suite the counties comfort level.

Some counties may feel repeal of most gun laws is desirable with others believing what we have now is just fine.

[GarandFan]

We are now coming to the point of needing to decide what counts as "green" for our map...what counts for honestly stating that a county has passed a pro-second amendment resolution.  Anyone with foresight knew this was coming.  It's a good thing!!  It means that lots of counties are taking action on these issues!!

Good points have been made, all around.  Someone mentioned that the Henry was not a specific pro-2A res...and that might be true.  Someone mentioned that we might have to strike the green from counties that are not worded as strongly as the rest.  That might be true.  There are as many ways to skin a cat as there are hairs to split...

This is how I see it --

This movement is about individual county (local) governments making statements and resolutions that pertain to and support the second amendment in general, and that oppose anti-second amendment bills in the state legislature.  For our movement, and for our map, it is my opinion that we should mark as green any county that has passed a resolution in support of the second amendment, AND/OR that has passed a resolution opposing any anti-gun bills at the state level.  We cannot expect all of these resolutions to be the same....we are dealing with many, independent, local governments here.  If a county specifically proposes and passes language (a resolution) that opposes even a minimum of ONE anti-gun or gun-rights bill, that county at least in some small way is showing support for the second amendment rights of it's citizens.

Our goal should be that counties pass resolutions that strongly and specifically support the second amendment, and that clearly state that they oppose gun control laws at the state level.  We cannot expect counties to pass resolutions saying that they will now and forevermore oppose ANY or ALL gun control legislation.  And we cannot expect these resolutions to all be the same, or even all that similar to each other.

Our movement is a good, upright, and honest one, rooted in the constitution and a tradition of responsible freedom.  For our cause and for all practical purposes, I think that Henry should be green.  

To make sure that our detractors stay honest, on the pro-second amendment revolution website we should think about writing a disclaimer or context statement, acknowledging that not all resolutions are exactly the same, but that all counties shaded green have passed some form or resolution that supports the second amendment, or that opposes all or some gun ban legislation at the state level.

Let's not fail to see the forest for the trees.

In short, Henry ought to be green in my opinion.

Respectfully,
GarandFan