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[Molly B.]

"Hey...is Jackson yellow, or not?"

I believe it is still in the legislative committee.

[wazzle]

Jackson is still in committee meeting waiting on a revised resolution. Next meeting is Dec 4th with full board meeting the following Wednesday the 12th.

[RancidWannaRiot]

WOW..

ok, i read the first few pages of this thread, when the map with green counties was started. Now i see on page 35 that almost all the counties are green...

so you all those counties have actually passed resolutions just the first county (Pike was it? or Brown?)

wow.. this is amazing....

[tplane37]

Okay, What's the scoop on MACON (Make-up) County? It's not yellow or green on the last map (or any of them) that I have seen. But I read that someone was working on it. Do we need more people flooding the floor in approval to get the votes? Or has it even made it to the county board? I am willing to do some leg work, but I will need guidance in the matter. Like I told OC in a different forum, I need to be educated on some things before I open my mouth....So is there a reason why you're call "Ol' Coach"? If so, then coach me through this and I'll do what I can to get some support here in Macon County to get this pushed through. Heck, I don't even know who's on the board or where the meetings are...not to knowledgeable on all this political stuff, I was taught that the US Constitution was the Supreme Law of the land, but apparently after reading through countless posts, it's time for re-education on numerous issues.

Give me the info I will need to be prepared, hell, if some one can manage a play-by-play it would make things even better.

What's with this goal of 60%, why not 90%??? Can we not get approval from Indiana, Missouri, Kentucky, Wisconsin, and Iowa residents that work in Illinois? they add to our economy just as well...Not just the old "well they're doing it too." Get some approval from their governments stating that Illinois infringing the 2A in not only unconstitutional, but is poor economic practice hence out of state residents avoid Illinois like the plague because of there legislative tyranny. Just a thought, since we are moving along so well, why not gain the assistance of sister states, after all, we are the UNITED States of America, right?

Just some additional thoughts, besides the fact that the presidential elections are coming up, and if we can get a pro 2A president in, maybe he would be willing to make mention of the People's interpretation of a couple of the Amendments (especially 2A). Okay, enough rambling. But I really would like some assistance in convincing Macon County.

[Ashdump]

tplane37, on Nov 16 2007, 11:14 AM, said:

Okay, What's the scoop on MACON (Make-up) County? It's not yellow or green on the last map (or any of them) that I have seen. But I read that someone was working on it. Do we need more people flooding the floor in approval to get the votes? Or has it even made it to the county board? I am willing to do some leg work, but I will need guidance in the matter. Like I told OC in a different forum, I need to be educated on some things before I open my mouth....So is there a reason why you're call "Ol' Coach"? If so, then coach me through this and I'll do what I can to get some support here in Macon County to get this pushed through. Heck, I don't even know who's on the board or where the meetings are...not to knowledgeable on all this political stuff, I was taught that the US Constitution was the Supreme Law of the land, but apparently after reading through countless posts, it's time for re-education on numerous issues.

Give me the info I will need to be prepared, hell, if some one can manage a play-by-play it would make things even better.

What's with this goal of 60%, why not 90%??? Can we not get approval from Indiana, Missouri, Kentucky, Wisconsin, and Iowa residents that work in Illinois? they add to our economy just as well...Not just the old "well they're doing it too." Get some approval from their governments stating that Illinois infringing the 2A in not only unconstitutional, but is poor economic practice hence out of state residents avoid Illinois like the plague because of there legislative tyranny. Just a thought, since we are moving along so well, why not gain the assistance of sister states, after all, we are the UNITED States of America, right?

Just some additional thoughts, besides the fact that the presidential elections are coming up, and if we can get a pro 2A president in, maybe he would be willing to make mention of the People's interpretation of a couple of the Amendments (especially 2A). Okay, enough rambling. But I really would like some assistance in convincing Macon County.

Welcome tplane37! Hold tight friend. I talked with Garandfan earlier, and he is coming up with a plan of action for just the reasons you have stated! Look for more about this in the next day or two. Thanks for your help and enthusiasm!

[Ol'Coach]

tplane37...

I'll email you.

[tplane37]

Thanks, and I look forward to being here regularly.

I was born and raised in Macon County, I spent 4 years in California with the Navy, and I have been back home since May of this year. I first sought interest in illogical laws after being in CA for two weeks...I got a ticket for smoking a cigarette on the beach by LA...now I am home and looking around, and I see IL heading the same direction, hence the smoking ban starting in Jan 2008.

Also, I saw the world and our nation through new eyes while I was in the service, and I know now more than ever that the People need to be able to protect themselves. Now, I'm not saying that the threat is imminent, but we do definitely need a plan to fall back on should the sh*t hit the fan. Right now, I am seeing politics leaning over that fine line they are walking. The Constitution is rarely looked as being for the People any more, and until the People take a stand and say "These are our rights, these are the rights this country was founded on, and these are the rights we are going to live by...These are the rights that make us American!" Until we take a stand, we are going to continue to be looked at as the weak while the legislators continue to feel they have control.

Wasn't there a famous saying? "United we stand, divided we fall." Well, it's time to unite once again and take a stand, this sight is off to one hell of a start, and I am proud to now be a part of it. Though there are many additional issues regarding unconstitutional laws in Illinois and in America, we just need to work our way down the list. We are now at #2 in the Bill of Rights, I look forward to being part or the solution that gives America back to the people before it's to late, because I want my children to enjoy the freedoms our founding father's intended for Americans to have.

[Ol'Coach]

Once again, glad you're here, Friend!

[tplane37]

Hey, of the counties that have failed to pass....is there a way to change their mind? do we have to wait a certain period of time before we present the resolution again? or can we just gather up more support from the people, by say, a petition and take it into the next meeting. If there is a majority of the population in a county agreeing with the resolution, doesn't that mean that the county is "required" to approve the resolution?

[GarandFan]

tplane37, on Nov 16 2007, 12:51 PM, said:

Hey, of the counties that have failed to pass....is there a way to change their mind? do we have to wait a certain period of time before we present the resolution again? or can we just gather up more support from the people, by say, a petition and take it into the next meeting. If there is a majority of the population in a county agreeing with the resolution, doesn't that mean that the county is "required" to approve the resolution?

Brief answer, yes their minds can change!  You don't even need a petition.  Case in point is Marion County.

The pro 2A resolution introduced there failed to pass a committee vote to move the resolution on to the full board for a vote.  That was 3 October 2007.  But people in Marion went back to work with the commissioners, and as of 13 November 2007, the full board voted on the resolution, and passed it.  Marion county was a huge victory, not only because they passed the resolution, but also because they "turned it around", as it were.

It can happen, but not without real people talking to commissioners in person and by phone, writing letters, emails, etc.

[abolt243]

tplane37, on Nov 16 2007, 12:51 PM, said:

Hey, of the counties that have failed to pass....is there a way to change their mind? do we have to wait a certain period of time before we present the resolution again? or can we just gather up more support from the people, by say, a petition and take it into the next meeting. If there is a majority of the population in a county agreeing with the resolution, doesn't that mean that the county is "required" to approve the resolution?

Tplane<

Welcome to the site.  First of all, to my knowlege, the resolution has not failed in any county in which it's been presented to the whole board.  In a couple of cases, a committee has not passed on to the whole board for discussion for various reasons, but the resolution has not been voted down in the state yet!!  There is a slight difference between the map on this site and the map on the Pro2A site in how colors are used.  The white counties have not had the opportunity to vote yet.  Either not been approached, not met yet since the resolution was introduced or something.  Coach is working on Champaign, they didn't pass it on because "It's not a county matter".  Coach is working to change that and will very soon now.  I don't believe that the res has ever been introduced to any Macon county members yet.  The general concensus is to get the "easier" more rural counties on board first, then go for the more urban counties like Macon, Sangamon, Champaign, Peoria and the collar counties around Cook.  Cook itself will be close to the last if not thelast.  Our goal when we started was to have 90 counties on line by IGOLD.  The map looks green, but there's lots of room for improvement.

Again, welcome to the site and the fight.  We can use folks with a viewpoint expanded by travel and residence outside of this state.

AB

[BushRat]

Hey everyone,

I know this might sound wacky   but after reading Pro2A website, I came across these words:
*"I do solemnly swear (affirm) that I will support the Constitution of the United States, and the Constitution of the State of Illinois, and that I will faithfully discharge the duties of the office of .... to the best of my ability"
*"Subject only to the police power, the right of the individual citizen to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. "
So my question is, on these grounds, can we ask (or force) people like Kotowski to resign?

[tplane37]

I posted some info on another site as well, I think it'll catch at least some attention there as well. Even if only one person reads it, and that one person joins us, they might be that one more vote we would need to push this over the top.

Here's the link:
http://www.taurusarm...hp?topic=3361.0

[snooter]

just a heads up i see jersey county in not green..what a surprise..jersey county is a republican county and very strong pro gun (half of jersey and calhoun is related)...if and when the resolution comes before the board there it should pass unanimously...what really amazes me is macoupin county which is old democratic county voted for this..i was shocked.....madison county here guys might be tough..lots of gun onwers in madison however and still a lot of rural area...edwardsville proper is the problem..prez bush even lambasted the court system (federal) in edwardsville so it might be tuff...st clair i dunno..they seem just as wacky as cook county at times...believe me i would love to see madison and st claire go green....you guys will have no trouble with jersey county..good luck on this and i would love to see ccw in illinois..on the basis of what i do for a living ccw would be nice.its time to make the 70 yeard old lady even with the punk puke

[abolt243]

snooter, on Nov 16 2007, 04:10 PM, said:

just a heads up i see jersey county in not green..what a surprise..jersey county is a republican county and very strong pro gun (half of jersey and calhoun is related)...if and when the resolution comes before the board there it should pass unanimously...what really amazes me is macoupin county which is old democratic county voted for this..i was shocked.....madison county here guys might be tough..lots of gun onwers in madison however and still a lot of rural area...edwardsville proper is the problem..prez bush even lambasted the court system (federal) in edwardsville so it might be tuff...st clair i dunno..they seem just as wacky as cook county at times...believe me i would love to see madison and st claire go green....you guys will have no trouble with jersey county..good luck on this and i would love to see ccw in illinois..on the basis of what i do for a living ccw would be nice.its time to make the 70 yeard old lady even with the punk puke

Snooter,

It doesn't just happen, somebody has to present it to a board member to get it on the agenda.  Works best if it's a resident of the county or at least a neighbor.  Do you happen to live in Jersey county???  Know anybody that's on the board??  Know anybody that knows anybody on the board????  This is grassroots, means that it starts at the citizen level.  Care to help out here???

AB

[tplane37]

I also sent this off to another website...I may be repeating history here, but I'm sure it can't hurt. I emailed it to: question@legallyarmed.com I have used their site before for when I travel out of state to ensure I am abiding by the laws in other states.

Here's what I sent:

"I am writing this to you because you are a respected site in the U.S. for Legally Armed individuals. Your information proves valuable to many, myself included. Especially involving interstate transit with firearms and national news concerning firearms, and promoting the safe use of firearms (that's a big one).

As you are fully aware, we have issues here in Illinois when it comes down to firearm ownership restrictions and the lack of any law regarding the right to carry (CCW or otherwise). Below is some information a gentleman from our website wrote. www.illinoiscarry.org is a forum for the people, by the people, and of the people (you know, like our government is supposed to be?) of Illinois. We are currently attempting to get a resolution passed throughout our state supporting not only the 2nd Amendment of the United States Constitution, but also the right for the people of Illinois to keep and bare arms under the state Constitution (and it does state the "people"). As you will read below, we are having great success thus far due to the fact that many have worked hard and have started from the bottom to work to the top. We have moved from the personal level, to the city/township level, and on to the county level in over 50% of the state, and we will continue working until there is success at the state level. Many steps to reach the ultimate goal of reasonable CCW in Illinois. And for this, I am asking for the assistance of LegallyArmed.com and their supporters. Any help is appreciated, and if there are connections with "important people" that could be of assistance, that would be greatly appreciated, not only by me, but by everyone at illinoiscarry.org, and more importantly to the law abiding gun owners in Illinois, as well as out of state residents that travel through our state.

I cannot personally take credit for the letter below, but it is important for you to read to further understand our cause. Also, check out www.pro2aresolution.com for a full outline.

-A grassroots Resolution Revolution is sweeping across the state of Illinois county by county in the form of a Pro-Second Amendment Resolution!   Originating in mid-April of this year, as of November 13, 2007, sixty (60) counties in the state of Illinois have passed the Resolution and none have vetoed it!



In November, 2006, Cook County adopted virtually word for word the firearms ban in place in Chicago since 1989, a ban which infringes upon the inalienable rights of law-abiding citizens to keep and bear arms as guaranteed by the 2nd Amendment of the Bill of Rights and the Constitution of the State of Illinois.



Annually, attempts are made by Cook County legislators to pass bills that would force these same bans upon the other 101 counties of the State of Illinois.  Not only would such proposed legislation ban firearms used for the protection of family, self, and property, it would ban the possession and use of firearms by law-abiding citizens for safe forms of recreation, collecting, and hunting within each county.



This is not a political issue, nor is it a matter of religion, race, sex, sexual orientation, or ethnicity!  It is a CIVIL RIGHTS issue!



Each county, according to an oath taken by its County Board members has an obligation to support the Constitution of the United States and the Bill of Rights; thus, when one county attempts to deprive the other 101 counties of their civil rights, it IS the responsibility of each county to state, "Enough is enough!"

[GarandFan]

Snooter...welcome to the site!  We can sure use your help!  If you're at all willing, I can help you draft a letter to send to some Jersey County commissioners to ask if they will consider the 2A resolution.  Their information is below.



Jersey County, IL
200 North Lafayette, Suite 2
County Courthouse
Jerseyville, IL 62052-1680
Phone: (618) 498-5571
Fax: (618) 498-6128


County Seat: Jerseyville
Year Organized: 1839
Square Miles: 369
Size of Board: 12


Elected County Officials  
Name                        Position
  Pam Heitzig   Chairman, County Board
  Ken Breden   Board Member, District 1
  Dick Brown   Board Member, District 4
  Gary Hayes   Board Member, District 4
  Sandy Hefner   Board Member, District 2
  Larry Keller   Board Member, District 1
  Howard Landon   Board Member, District 2
  Don Little   Board Member, District 3
  Donna Moore   Board Member, District 1
  Tim Rothe   Board Member, District 3
  Bob Sandkamper   Board Member, District 3
  Mike Wendle   Board Member, District 4
  Michael McDonald   State's Attorney
  Larry Alexander   Coroner
  Mark Kallal   Sheriff
  Gilbert Ashlock   Treasurer

[burningspear]

tplane37, in the good old days, you could have been a Runnin' Red.  I like your attitude.  Go for it.  Present the idea to the Macon County Board.  Full court press.  There is no good reason to deny peaceable citizens the right to keep and bear arms.

[snooter]

yes i do know all members of the jersey county board some are personal friends..i would suggest you contact the guys from calhoun county who went before the calhoun county board..chances are a friend/relative lives across the river in jersey county...jersey gets presented it will pass

[tplane37]

Other than the Brown county Sheriff, has anyone tried/succeeded in getting endorsement from Sheriffs of other counties? City Police Departments? Judges? State/District Attornies? School Boards? (if this goes through, and I believe it will, I think the schools should begin at least teaching gun/firearm safety to all students but at what age would be another topic to discuss...even if those students never encounter a firearm, at least they would be prepared on how to safely handle them if they do...you know, reduce accidental death of children through education in schools and at home, driver's ed is taught in both, right?)

Many of you have emailed me with some very valuable information to help get this passed in Macon County, but just to be on the safe side, has anyone developed a spreadsheet on statistics relating CCW/RTC to Crime Rates in various other states? (We could always set Vermont's laws as our goal, then accept Florida's CCW law, right?) Once the 2A Res is passed here, why not go ahead and try for CCW resolution at the next county board meeting (there's an idea for all the counties who have already gone green, any thoughts?) Since I began using this site, I have been using my FOID card for ID everywhere I have gone, heck, I have even exchanged pistols with a couple of Sheriff's Deputies while engaged in meaningless conversation (properly and safely of course). So I am thinking of starting at the police department level and working up to the Sheriff prior to going to the County board. I want as much as I can get to back up the 2A Res as possible when I walk in. But how would I present something to a county judge? Anyway, the wheels are turning, I expect to have a solid plan before going in...I don't like taking no for an answer.  

[tplane37]

Macon County Board members: Phone numbers and addresses:

http://www.maconcoun...countyboard.htm

Macon County Sheriff: Sheriff Jerry Dawson

http://www.maconcoun...eriff/index.htm

Macon County VA:

http://www.maconcoun...erans/index.htm

Macon AND Piatt Counties Regional Office of Education #39: Regional Superintendent of Schools Richard "Dick" Shelby

http://www.maconcoun...ation/index.htm

Just a few people I am thinking of contacting, if we can get Dick Shelby, there's an advantage towards Piatt County as well!

[Lou]

Aw man I'm getting all tingeley {sp} reading these posts from new members who are all fired up!!

This is really great to see.   The word is spreading and it's all good.    The more people we have on board the better.

Here in the Northeast part of the state it's an uphill battle but it is possible to win this battle to regain the civil rights we've lost over the years.

The plans are coming together!

First the 2A Resolution turning the state green.

Then 3000 {5000?} civil rights activists descending on Springfield for IGOLD 2008!!!!

Voting the rabid anti-gun zealots out of office is next and then a realistic CCW bill.

I might have to rethink moving out of state someday {if we could ever get the high tax loving Daley, Stroeger, Blowhardovich caleb out of office that is}

[tplane37]

Okay, pro2aresolution.com replied today. I am told a number of other people from Macon County have shown interest in the past few days (good sign) and the site has offered assistance. Everyone who reads this that lives in Macon County, show the board you support Pro 2A, if you know someone who lives in Macon County, convince them that they are Pro 2A and have them contact the board in support. I am going to see if there is a way to have the Brown County Sheriff contact the Macon County Sheriff to aid in his endorsment, along with personally contacting him myself. Also, I am planning to contact the Macon County Terrorist Task Force/Emergency Management Agency, 10 County Board members (there are 23 total, but 13 did not have email addresses listed, may have to mail them the old fashioned way, they do have addresses listed), Macon County Circuit Clerk, States Attorney, and if I can get in contact with the Director of Animal Control, him too (people need to protect themselves against animal attacks as well, right?), and as I said, the Regional Superintendent of Schools for Macon-Piatt Counties.

Macon County Board meetings are held on the second Thursday of every month at 7:15 pm. 141 S. Main Street, Room 501 in Decatur, IL (the Macon County Office Building on the corner of Wood and Main near the court house)

I will post the contact information I find Monday. I listed links above that have most of the contacts I mentioned in this post. It will be any addtional contact information I find that is not on those links, that I will be adding. If anyone has other ideas of people we should contact, let me know...if need be I'll search the contact information for that person if you don't have it.

[Ol'Coach]

tplane37...

Wish you'd get off your butt and do somethin'!     

Way ta go, Friend!!

[tplane37]

Hey now, there's other things gettin's done around the house    in fact, I am in the process of yard work and vehicle repair as well....great time to think of more ideas! SO I'm just stopping in to review a couple more things to figure out how I am going to go about this.

Is anyone working on Moultrie and De Witt counties? Having them GREEN would sure aid in convincing Macon and McLean Counties.

And once we have all our Resolutions, who are they going to be taken to? When? Who do we pass on our counties resolution to?

Who convinced Piatt County? I'd like for them to also take the resolution to the Regional Superindtendent of Schools for District #39, with a game plan to bring up Firearm Safety in schools to further educate children. Since he is Superintendent for both Macan and Piatt, I think it would be a good contecting point.

And the GREEN counties, I believe should gain support from Law Emforcement Departments and Sherriffs, since the laws effect their jobs the most (they have to enforce them, and therefore being forced to take time away from dealing with criminals to disarm legally armed citizens because it's there job to enforce the laws...besides, what LEO wants to do more paperwork???) That was my same thought with Judges, they are having to waste their time in the court rooms and wasting space in the county jails. And I have never met a Judge who enjoys having his time wasted!

[Ol'Coach]

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And once we have all our Resolutions, who are they going to be taken to? When? Who do we pass on our counties resolution to?

Contact MollyB.

The Gentleman I referred you to is in Mason County, not Macon

Sorry 'bout that!

[GarandFan]

tplane37, on Nov 17 2007, 10:35 AM, said:

Is anyone working on Moultrie and De Witt counties? Having them GREEN would sure aid in convincing Macon and McLean Counties.

And once we have all our Resolutions, who are they going to be taken to? When? Who do we pass on our counties resolution to?

Heaven's sake!  I had completely missed De Witt county in that other organizational thread.  To my knowledge, no one has approached De Witt, but Ol' Coach has been in contact with Moultrie.

MOLLY...correct me if I mis-speak, but I will take a shot at these inquiries...

There might be several ideas regarding the purposes of these resolutions.  But generally they are held to be, or are, non-binding resolutions at the county level.  Perhaps the most important purpose is for the Senators and Representatives of "green" counties to learn and realize that the people they represent don't want more Chicago gun control.  This is a strong message...and if even a few of the Sens and Reps are turned this way, it will be that much more difficult for "bad" legislation to pass, and that much easier for "good" legislation to pass.

The plan is to make a massive push on state legislators after we've gotten 85% or so counties green....or earlier than that if really bad bills come up again in January.  There are many anti-gun bills still pending in the state legislature.  But lordy....we have some MOMENTUM here!  We will be a force to reckon with, I reckon.

Of course, most of us know and feel that the ultimate road to regaining our rights in Illinois is the road to the state legislature.

[ilphil]

The resolution won't help us with the die-hard anti's, but it will certainly make those fence sitters think twice. Especially once you get outside of Crook County.
And it definitely will make a very poignant graphic display of the obvious difference between the will of the Chitcago politicians and the people in the rest of the state.

[GarandFan]

Blast from the past....look at these posts, and the dates.....

We've come a long way, baby!

junglebob, on Apr 25 2007, 11:54 AM, said:

If Brown county passes a Pro 2A resolution there will be 100 counties to go.   I'm sure Cook county would be the last but wouldn't it be wonderful to have large sections of Illinois to be "2nd Amendment Zones".

MARKHOLSTRUM, on Apr 27 2007, 04:53 PM, said:

Ok guys its crunch time, we need to get as many counties on board as possible!

here is our checkoff sheet (blaster may want to move this to a better location in the thread) anyway, any time a county hops on board we change their color to green. I will try to get Richland county to adopt this measure as well and so should everyone in the county they live.

ITS OFFENSE TIME!!!

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[tplane37]

How's this for the map update.
The map on Pro2a shows RED counties as FAILED, an many of us disagreed because those counties did not fail board approval, the just did not make it to the board for voting. So I put the counties that have been proposed, but did not pass commitee in blue. Because we agree that they HAVE NOT actually failed.