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#1 Ashdump

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Posted 23 April 2007 - 05:41 PM

Saw this over at AR15.com



PRO-GUN RESOLUTION

The County Board of Pike County, Illinois, has called a public
meeting to consider a resolution which would state that the
people of Pike County, Illinois, consider any legislation passed
by the Illinois State Legislature that would infringe upon the
Right of the People to Keep and Bear Arms to be unconstitutional
and beyond lawful Legislative Authority.

Such a resolution, if enacted by a County Government, would be
unprecedented in the history of the United States.

The resolution has strong support among members of the Pike
County Board. The resolution states that it is being enacted
because, "The Pike County Board being elected by the People of
Pike County is duly sworn by Oath of Office to uphold the United
States Constitution and the Constitution of the State of
Illinois."

The members of the Pike County Board ask all interested citizens
to attend this Public Meeting and demonstrate their support for
the enactment of this resolution.

The meeting is scheduled for Tuesday evening, April 24th, at
7:00pm, in the 1st Floor courtroom of the Pike County Courthouse
in Pittsfield, Illinois.

All members of PASA, whether Pike County residents or not, are
urged to attend this historic event, and express their support
for the courageous action of the members of the Pike County
Board.

I hope to see you there. With everybody you can bring.

P.R. Metcalf
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Posted 23 April 2007 - 06:32 PM

Yeow....that oughta make things interesting if this indeed goes through....
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Posted 23 April 2007 - 06:37 PM

Non-binding I would expect



I'd kinda like to see an ordinance requiring each household to possess a firearm of a kind described in SB16. No enforcement necessary though, just to pass it to screw with the Chicago delagation.


It would be great to hear Rep Black the Chicago delegation that their bill requires 3/5 to pass because it overrules a home rule ordinance.
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Posted 23 April 2007 - 06:54 PM

As long as the judges, state's attorney's office, sheriff, and police chiefs in Pike County agree, it's binding! The ISP or a CPO might take exception, but if the judges and state's attorney agree with the county board, who cares!

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Posted 23 April 2007 - 06:59 PM

Sweet--I'd like to find out more.
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Posted 23 April 2007 - 07:12 PM

If I did'nt have to work, I'd find out where this is and go! Darn second shift :headbang1:

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Posted 23 April 2007 - 07:34 PM

Pittsfield is about 45 min west of S'field, 5 mi south of I-72. Gettin' over in Hannibal, MO, territory.

That's tomorrow, isn't it? 'Bout 2 1/2 hrs west of Champaign. Hmmmm...late drive back for an ole man, as I doubt it will adjourn very early!
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Posted 23 April 2007 - 08:33 PM

Pittsfield is about 45 min west of S'field, 5 mi south of I-72. Gettin' over in Hannibal, MO, territory.

That's tomorrow, isn't it? 'Bout 2 1/2 hrs west of Champaign. Hmmmm...late drive back for an ole man, as I doubt it will adjourn very early!

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Posted 23 April 2007 - 09:03 PM

If someone that can make the meeting could video tape the event this would be great to put up on YouTube.
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Posted 24 April 2007 - 07:20 AM

What if they made a resolution that nobody would be arrested for carrying in Pike county if they had a FOID card, or better yet a resolution that you only had to be 18 with no criminal record. Pike county could be kind of a "sanctuary county" for gun owners, like San Francisco is an "illegal alien sancturary" . What if the LEO's and the states attorney in Pike county refused to enforce anti-carry laws?
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Posted 24 April 2007 - 08:22 AM

that is defantaly a postive note for this state on pike county now if we can just get the rest of the state to do the same that would be awsome its a step in the right direction.

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Posted 24 April 2007 - 08:39 AM

What if the LEO's and the states attorney in Pike county refused to enforce anti-carry laws?


They would have to support the board's decision. That's the only way it could be "binding".

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Posted 24 April 2007 - 10:25 AM

man thats way down there i cant make that if anyone can post any new information on what goes on down there.

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Posted 24 April 2007 - 10:46 AM

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Posted 24 April 2007 - 09:04 PM

Anyone know what happened?

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Posted 25 April 2007 - 06:19 AM

Someone left a comment on my blog saying that it passed, with only two "No" votes (out of I don't know how many board members).
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Posted 25 April 2007 - 07:57 AM

Someone left a comment on my blog saying that it passed, with only two "No" votes (out of I don't know how many board members).


Here is an exerpt from your blog...

"straightarrow said...
Actually they have more power than you might realize. The county sheriff is the most powerful law enforcement entity in the county, no matter who else is there. He can arrest State Police, FBI, any and all. No one is more powerful in the law enforcement community than a sheriff. Political machinations make it easier for sheriff's to go along to get along, but legally, no agency can usurp or avoid his authority. Most sheriffs do not know this and most of those that do, have not the courage to stand against state and federal agencies. Which if one thinks about it, is understandable since the courts are for sale."

A retired deputy friend of mine said that the coroner has the authority to superceed and arrest the sherriff if need be. Maybe that only applies to one county, maybe all? Does anyone know?

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Posted 25 April 2007 - 09:09 AM

As I understand it...."County Coroners" typically have the same power as the sheriff.
Usually the law reads something like this:

The coroner shall perform the duties of the county sheriff only in cases in which the sheriff:
(1) is interested or incapacitated from serving; and
(2) has no chief deputy who may perform his duties.

Service of warrant for arrest of county sheriff; custody of jail and prisoners
A warrant for the arrest of the county sheriff shall be served by the coroner or any other person to whom it may be legally directed. The coroner, who shall commit the sheriff to the county jail, has custody of the jail and its prisoners during the imprisonment of the sheriff.

I would venture to guess that these duties differ greatly among the different states and counties.
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Posted 25 April 2007 - 09:38 AM

I didn't get there. Some stuff goin' on here that lasted later than I thought it would.
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Posted 25 April 2007 - 09:38 AM

At any rate, IT PASSED!!!!!! :yes:
I'll bet we won't hear a peep about it in the news :thumbsup:

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Posted 25 April 2007 - 10:03 AM

I'll bet we won't hear a peep about it in the news :thumbsup:

I'm hoping that at least the Pike Press will carry it. From the look of it, there seems to be plenty of room for news there :yes: .
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Posted 25 April 2007 - 10:46 AM

I'll bet we won't hear a peep about it in the news :thumbsup:

I'm hoping that at least the Pike Press will carry it. From the look of it, there seems to be plenty of room for news there :yes: .


We call it the Pike Wipe, and, yes, it was in today's paper. (The paper is a weekly, issued on Wednesday.) I couldn't make the meeting either, but according to what I was told, at the meeting, the chairman of the Brown County county board proffered that Brown County recently (perhaps in the past week or so) adopted the same resolution.

I believe there are nine members on the county board, but I'm not certain of that.

None of the board members are anywhere close to be "radicals" of any stripe, least of all militia. However, hunting has become a major "industry" in the county, so perhaps that has led to the perceived need for the county to take a stand. Either that, or everyone south of Chicago so sick to death of being treated like children by Oberführer Dick and Uberführer Rod they just had to do something to get someone's attention.

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Posted 25 April 2007 - 11:54 AM

If Brown county passes a Pro 2A resolution there will be 100 counties to go. I'm sure Cook county would be the last but wouldn't it be wonderful to have large sections of Illinois to be "2nd Amendment Zones".
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Posted 25 April 2007 - 12:11 PM

things look to start picking up counties are starting to band together like thet are suppose to hope more join.

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Posted 25 April 2007 - 01:28 PM

Here you go.

Gun control laws not welcome in Pike County


PITTSFIELD, Ill. — The Pike County Board adopted a resolution Tuesday opposing any legislation that infringes on the right to keep and bear arms.

"What we are trying to do here is protect rights we already have," board member Robert Kenady said.

A standing-room-only crowd of mostly gun enthusiasts applauded several speakers and the 7-2 vote on the resolution, which will be forwarded to state legislators and all other counties in Illinois. Neighboring Brown County already has adopted a similar resolution.

"We have to stand up," said board member Mark Mountain, who proposed the resolution. "We have to voice our opinion. As an individual, it doesn't mean much. As a county, it means more. As three or four counties, it means a lot."

"You gentleman have just made history here," said Pike-Adams Sportsmen's Alliance President Richard Metcalf.

Resolution supporters claim that pending state legislation would ban many common firearms used for hunting and threaten rights guaranteed under the Constitution, the enjoyment of safe forms of firearms recreation and its economic benefits to the county.

"This is about freedom," Metcalf said. "This is not a political issue. I'm not here as a conservative, a liberal. You're not here as a Republican, a Democrat. We're here as Americans."

Others questioned whether the issue of gun control reached beyond what the county should address.

"I've carried a weapon 30 years of my life, ... but I'm not sure there's a time and place to address this issue on a county level," said board member Mike Lord, who voted against the resolution.

Board Chairman Scott Syrcle said the county level "is where it starts." He said county officials are "elected to voice our opinion to legislators for change or to keep things from happening." He usually votes only in the case of a tie, but wanted his vote in favor of the resolution on the record.

"You're going to ban a lot of guns if this thing happens," county resident Lee Ator said. "Definitely, the people of Pike County are interested in this. Everybody's here because they're opposed to gun legislation."

Board member Don Peebles said the county should be focusing on other issues instead of the "hot-button, politically divisive" issue of gun control.

"I've spent a lot of time in the last month reading House bills, Senate bills and shell bills. Some of them I agree with. Some I disagree with. I would have a difficult time with an across-the-board resolution," said Peebles, who voted against the resolution.

"I've hunted all my life. I enjoy firearms, ... but there are things that need to be controlled."


Two counties rebelling against Chicago rule--this is getting good!
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Posted 25 April 2007 - 04:22 PM

Board member Don Peebles said the county should be focusing on other issues instead of the "hot-button, politically divisive" issue of gun control.

"I've spent a lot of time in the last month reading House bills, Senate bills and shell bills. Some of them I agree with. Some I disagree with. I would have a difficult time with an across-the-board resolution," said Peebles, who voted against the resolution.

"I've hunted all my life. I enjoy firearms, ... but there are things that need to be controlled."[/quote]


Typical fudd mentality. "as long as they don't take my 870 or my mossie....." :thumbsup:

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Posted 25 April 2007 - 04:39 PM

Mike Lord is the former chief of police for the city of Pittsfield.

Gee... a cop opposed to the "common citizen's" rights ... what a surprise he's against the resolution, huh?
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Posted 25 April 2007 - 05:01 PM

Mike Lord is the former chief of police for the city of Pittsfield.

Gee... a cop opposed to the "common citizen's" rights ... what a surprise he's against the resolution, huh?

Yep, it's ok if he's carried a weapon for over 30 years, but don't you do it :thumbsup:

If I could vote in that county, I'd tell you of 2 that ain't gettin' back on the board if I could help it! Come next election, I hope they get burnt for their crappy attitudes :yes:

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Posted 25 April 2007 - 07:02 PM

It would be a cold day in heck before rock island county votes correctly on it..... but i still bet they would before crokk county will...hehe


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Posted 25 April 2007 - 08:32 PM

I just really noticed this part: "I've carried a weapon 30 years of my life, ... but I'm not sure there's a time and place to address this issue on a county level," said board member Mike Lord..."

Control of gun ownership isn't a county issue? Uh, does that include COOK COUNTY? Not only do the gun banners in Cook think that it's OK for the county to impose restrictions on one's Second Amendment rights, over and above what the state has already done, but the General Assembly has had the chance to specifically say (via preemption) a county CAN'T impose restrictions different from those of the state and refused to do so. Doesn't that mean that even the General Assembly thinks "there's a time and place to address this issue on a county level"? Or is it just OK for a county to restrict one's rights under the Constitution, but not to affirm those same rights?

And for land's sakes, this is just a resolution. Cook County's is actually an ordinance. Hard to believe that some politicians can't even bring themselves simply to agree with the principle that a state shouldn't violate an individual's constitutional rights.
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