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#1 hrlydrvr

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Posted 08 March 2014 - 07:35 AM

Just wondering if there are any other instructors still under review. My info:

Sent and paid: 12/18/13
Application # 37
Called ISP 2/27 and was told someone would call back, nothing!
Emailed State Rep. Brian Stewart 3/6, no response yet!

I have not even a traffic ticket in the past 10 years.

Not sure what to do from here!

Ideas?

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Posted 08 March 2014 - 07:49 AM

Well, they've got 90 days to issue or deny, right?. Not much to be done until then.

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Posted 08 March 2014 - 08:04 AM

I am an instructor so listed my print TCN, am application #72xx, and am still under review although I did file later than many here (1/31).
You will not 'rise to the occasion', you will default to your level of training - plan accordingly.

Despite their rallying around us at election time, honoring only 8 hours of Illinois' 40+ hour law enforcement class towards a 16 hour requirement shows the contempt that our elected officials hold us in.

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Posted 08 March 2014 - 08:16 AM

There are a number of us in the same situation. I applied and paid 12/18. My application has been "Under Review" since I applied and in 10 days the 90 days will be up. My letters to my State Rep and Senator will be going out next week.

Another thread on this here http://illinoiscarry...=30#entry686420

Edited by dennyg, 08 March 2014 - 08:25 AM.

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Posted 08 March 2014 - 09:08 AM

My understanding is that you remain under review until your license ships. Approved status is for those that are ready to go out. That way the expiration date doesn't start early.
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Posted 08 March 2014 - 09:14 AM

There are a number of us in the same situation. I applied and paid 12/18. My application has been "Under Review" since I applied and in 10 days the 90 days will be up. My letters to my State Rep and Senator will be going out next week.

Another thread on this here http://illinoiscarry...=30#entry686420

My understanding is that you remain under review until your license ships. Approved status is for those that are ready to go out. That way the expiration date doesn't start early.

I thought the instructors were to be issued before students to "test" the system. Guess not!

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Posted 08 March 2014 - 09:19 AM

My understanding is that you remain under review until your license ships. Approved status is for those that are ready to go out. That way the expiration date doesn't start early.


Molly,

Yes, I understand that and have no problem with it. Nor do I have a problem with licenses being issued to folks who applied later. But there seems to be a number of the instructors who applied on 12/18 (the "beta test") who are not being addressed, we seem to have been set aside for some reason. I know of no reason why this is happening but if there is a problem with my application I think I should have been notified so I can correct it.
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Posted 08 March 2014 - 09:26 AM


My understanding is that you remain under review until your license ships. Approved status is for those that are ready to go out. That way the expiration date doesn't start early.


Molly,

Yes, I understand that and have no problem with it. Nor do I have a problem with licenses being issued to folks who applied later. But there seems to be a number of the instructors who applied on 12/18 (the "beta test") who are not being addressed, we seem to have been set aside for some reason. I know of no reason why this is happening but if there is a problem with my application I think I should have been notified so I can correct it.


I didn't apply as early as that, mine was on 1/3. But I thought the same thing. "Maybe I entered something wrong?" Emailed the ISP and they told me there was no problem with my app. Still under review though.

Edited by fn1046, 08 March 2014 - 09:27 AM.

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Posted 08 March 2014 - 09:27 AM

My understanding is that you remain under review until your license ships. Approved status is for those that are ready to go out. That way the expiration date doesn't start early.


I've been "Approved" since the beginning of this second approval event with an expiration date of 2/27/2019 with no license yet.

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Posted 08 March 2014 - 09:28 AM


My understanding is that you remain under review until your license ships. Approved status is for those that are ready to go out. That way the expiration date doesn't start early.


Molly,

Yes, I understand that and have no problem with it. Nor do I have a problem with licenses being issued to folks who applied later. But there seems to be a number of the instructors who applied on 12/18 (the "beta test") who are not being addressed, we seem to have been set aside for some reason. I know of no reason why this is happening but if there is a problem with my application I think I should have been notified so I can correct it.

I agree Denny. At least we should have received an email if the app was wrong.

I work for a Village and speak with the police chief often. He has advised me after looking over the list of applications that made mistakes that I am not listed as needing a correction.

I read somewhere some instructors got caught in a "coding error". I am wondering if the ISP is so busy running new apps they are not checking old ones.

If I do an element search my Under Reviewis is listed as Approved!

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Posted 08 March 2014 - 09:35 AM

Well, I am no HTML expert, but my understanding is that the "APPROVED" seen in the code is simply a category in which "Under Review" is one of several possible results.

The "coding error" for some instructors you mention seems to fit the facts. I would hope that they spend some time getting it fixed.
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Posted 08 March 2014 - 09:36 AM


My understanding is that you remain under review until your license ships. Approved status is for those that are ready to go out. That way the expiration date doesn't start early.


I've been "Approved" since the beginning of this second approval event with an expiration date of 2/27/2019 with no license yet.


So has Mr. B.
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Posted 08 March 2014 - 09:42 AM



My understanding is that you remain under review until your license ships. Approved status is for those that are ready to go out. That way the expiration date doesn't start early.


I've been "Approved" since the beginning of this second approval event with an expiration date of 2/27/2019 with no license yet.


So has Mr. B.


Glad I'm not alone… waiting patiently.

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Posted 08 March 2014 - 09:46 AM

Eight more days to hit 90. We will see what happens. Thanks for the input!

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Posted 08 March 2014 - 09:55 AM

I would be happy to see some movement, some indication that my application hasn't just evaporated in electronic limbo.
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Posted 08 March 2014 - 11:02 AM

Get ready to be test cases once again. For when the statutory time mandate is violated. I will be alerting my legislators next week.

The fact that status doesn't change from "under review" to "approved" until licenses are ready to be shipped is not new info and does not answer the question. It seems we are on our own.

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Posted 08 March 2014 - 01:30 PM

I can understand the frustration of not knowing what might be causing a delay but the ISP does have the 90 days by law. On day 91 contact your legislator.

I don't understand the part of "it seems we are on our own" when everyone is giving it everything they've got to resolve these issues.
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Posted 08 March 2014 - 03:10 PM

Molly,

Any seemingly lack of gratitude should not be directed toward you, IC, or anyone else on our side. It appears I came off that way and I apologize. It's not your job to implement FCCL. This is ISP's charge. I do indeed deeply appreciate all you and others have done and are doing in this monumental task. We are "on our own" ultimately since we cannot expect you, IC, or anyone, to carry us all the way through. We are responsible for ourselves. You have done more than your part already.

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Posted 08 March 2014 - 03:15 PM

Molly,

Any seemingly lack of gratitude should not be directed toward you, IC, or anyone else on our side. It appears I came off that way and I apologize. It's not your job to implement FCCL. This is ISP's charge. I do indeed deeply appreciate all you and others have done and are doing in this monumental task. We are "on our own" ultimately since we cannot expect you, IC, or anyone, to carry us all the way through. We are responsible for ourselves. You have done more than your part already.


I agree, Thanks Molly.
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Posted 08 March 2014 - 03:46 PM

We're all in this together, frustrations and all. I have asked the ISP if there is a common thread between these instructors who are still under review.
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Posted 08 March 2014 - 03:48 PM

We're all in this together, frustrations and all. I have asked the ISP if there is a common thread between these instructors who are still under review.


I know we would all appreciate any information you are able to get. And thank you for all you have done and are doing for us.
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Posted 08 March 2014 - 04:16 PM

We're all in this together, frustrations and all. I have asked the ISP if there is a common thread between these instructors who are still under review.

Beyond just instructors, the generally non-sequential nature of the licenses going out is pretty frustrating. There are a lot of 12/18 through 1/5 applicants who are still waiting, with some 1/6+ applicants who already have licenses in hand.
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Posted 08 March 2014 - 04:33 PM

We're all in this together, frustrations and all. I have asked the ISP if there is a common thread between these instructors who are still under review.

Molly add me to the list that was approved 2-27 applied 12-18 and still no license.

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Posted 08 March 2014 - 04:34 PM


We're all in this together, frustrations and all. I have asked the ISP if there is a common thread between these instructors who are still under review.

Beyond just instructors, the generally non-sequential nature of the licenses going out is pretty frustrating. There are a lot of 12/18 through 1/5 applicants who are still waiting, with some 1/6+ applicants who already have licenses in hand.


After having toured the facility, I can clearly see why this would be. So many factors that can cause an application to be routed into different ques for different verifications, corrections, completions, to be checked and rechecked. It is really quite a process.
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Posted 08 March 2014 - 04:38 PM

Molly add me to the list that was approved 2-27 applied 12-18 and still no license.


I really do understand the frustration. I live with one these instructors . .. Mr. B applied Dec. 18, approved Feb. 27, wife has license, he does not . . . he says he can have a loaded gun in the car now - as long as I am with him but if I get out and go into a store . . . he's sunk. Not a happy camper.
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Posted 08 March 2014 - 05:00 PM


Molly add me to the list that was approved 2-27 applied 12-18 and still no license.


I really do understand the frustration. I live with one these instructors . .. Mr. B applied Dec. 18, approved Feb. 27, wife has license, he does not . . . he says he can have a loaded gun in the car now - as long as I am with him but if I get out and go into a store . . . he's sunk. Not a happy camper.

Ha that is definitely worse than I have it. Poor guy. Shot to the old manhood to have his wife protecting him:). Just kidding.

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Posted 10 March 2014 - 01:34 PM

Instructor applicant
Applied and and paid on 12/18 (w/ prints, of course).
Experienced the temporary approval that many others saw.
Still Under Review, no other info/status provided.
Ex-military, multiple CHL's (all requiring background checks and fingerprints) going back to 1998.
Nothing but an occasional speeding ticket in the last 25 years.
The only oddity about my application was the ISP's system insisted on rotating my uploaded photo 90º CCW. No matter how many times or how many different pics I tried (Mac + Safari- the only way I could submit the app). Pic is still 90º CCW today on my "Under Review" app.

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Posted 10 March 2014 - 01:42 PM

I hear you! My experience is nearly the same as you except my picture was ok but I uploaded it along with my letter and then uploaded it in the proper place. It's still there. But absolutely NOTHING has changed on my application since I applied. It just sits there "Under Review" with no communication from ISP. About a week to go before the 90 days is up.

Edited by dennyg, 10 March 2014 - 01:44 PM.

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Posted 10 March 2014 - 02:34 PM

Done checking website and seeing nothing but "Under Review" day in and day out. Sick of it. Haven't checked since Friday and will not from here on out. On day 91 will call reps if no licence received. Only recourse I have. I have to let this go. Had one speeding ticket 13 years ago. This is only "brush" with the law in the 65 years of my life. Went through all this background stuff way back in September of last year when applied for instructor. Obviously got through local LE review as never under Board Review. Asinine.

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Posted 10 March 2014 - 04:55 PM

If you get any response from your reps, please let us all know what they suggest.

Just another of the "Forgotten Instructors"
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