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#1 olds350

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Posted 31 January 2014 - 10:11 PM

I checked my application status last week and it said DENIED. When I sign it says "Your application has been denied for the following reason:

  • FOID-Adjudicated delinquent minor (State) or an adult with a juvenile adjudication of a felony" .
    I have called the ISP twice and they have not been able to give me any info on how to start the appeal process. I halfway expected this to happen because it came up when I applied for my Florida and Arizona ccw permits. I have court documents stating this judgment was vacated. Once I provided this to Florida and Arizona they promptly issued my permits. I’m sure if I can show this document to Illinois they will then approve my application. I contacted an attorney for clarification and she was surprised this came up until I told her it Cook County was involved. She said they have horrible record keeping. I have read online that I can appeal through the Concealed Carry Licensing Review Board but I have no idea how to contact them for the appeal. Any suggestions?



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Posted 31 January 2014 - 10:17 PM

Email the details to tvandermyd@aol.com.

Todd is the NRA lobbyist for IL, and is trying his best to work through issues like this.

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Posted 31 January 2014 - 10:34 PM

I'd like to ask two questions while this is fresh.

1. Did you receive email notification from the Isp on this? If not , Please post back if and when you do. We are all curious on what delay may be involved with notification.


2. This incident, How many years back did this occur? Curious to see how far back they are looking. That also may help you. Look into how far back legislation has stated they can look.

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Posted 31 January 2014 - 10:47 PM

I did not receive an email from the ISP yet. The incident occurred 12 years ago.

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Posted 01 February 2014 - 12:02 AM

Ughhh....

Sorry to hear that Olds. What an absolute crock. Hope you can get everything settled without too much of a headache.

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Posted 01 February 2014 - 12:13 AM

Not sure but I think the process of going to review board is automatic when you get denied, hopefully they contact you. please keep us posted.

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Posted 01 February 2014 - 07:03 AM

I had the same problem when I applied for my foid card you'll get a denial in the mail for the foid card from the state police stating why you was denied, since you are not eligible for the foid card your not eligible for a CCL, first get a recent copy of your certified statement of conviction/ disposition plus the court order that vacated your sentence, send to Illinois State Police Eligibility 801 South Seventh Street, Suite 400-m Springfield, IL 62794-9461 ((217)728-7980 after you send your documents give them about a couple of weeks to review your documents, after review your case goes over to the Illinois Bureau of Identification (they are very helpful and friendly) I do not have the number but you could find it on Illinois.gov. your background is checked in conviction status updated I did this back in 2012 I don't know if the process has changed, also wait for you denial letter so you could be sure why you was denied Illinois has poor record keeping. The process from start to finish took 3 months after denial letter. KEEP ALL DOCUMENTS AND LETTERS FOREVER, u never know when you'll need them. Good Luck

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Posted 01 February 2014 - 08:18 AM

I had the same problem when I applied for my foid card you'll get a denial in the mail for the foid card from the state police stating why you was denied, since you are not eligible for the foid card your not eligible for a CCL, first get a recent copy of your certified statement of conviction/ disposition plus the court order that vacated your sentence, send to Illinois State Police Eligibility 801 South Seventh Street, Suite 400-m Springfield, IL 62794-9461 ((217)728-7980 after you send your documents give them about a couple of weeks to review your documents, after review your case goes over to the Illinois Bureau of Identification (they are very helpful and friendly) I do not have the number but you could find it on Illinois.gov. your background is checked in conviction status updated I did this back in 2012 I don't know if the process has changed, also wait for you denial letter so you could be sure why you was denied Illinois has poor record keeping. The process from start to finish took 3 months after denial letter. KEEP ALL DOCUMENTS AND LETTERS FOREVER, u never know when you'll need them. Good Luck


I do have a FOID and I received it with no issues about 5 years ago. I recently checked if it was still valid and it is. I hope I get a letter or an email with the next step soon so I can start the appeal process.

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Posted 01 February 2014 - 10:55 AM


I had the same problem when I applied for my foid card you'll get a denial in the mail for the foid card from the state police stating why you was denied, since you are not eligible for the foid card your not eligible for a CCL, first get a recent copy of your certified statement of conviction/ disposition plus the court order that vacated your sentence, send to Illinois State Police Eligibility 801 South Seventh Street, Suite 400-m Springfield, IL 62794-9461 ((217)728-7980 after you send your documents give them about a couple of weeks to review your documents, after review your case goes over to the Illinois Bureau of Identification (they are very helpful and friendly) I do not have the number but you could find it on Illinois.gov. your background is checked in conviction status updated I did this back in 2012 I don't know if the process has changed, also wait for you denial letter so you could be sure why you was denied Illinois has poor record keeping. The process from start to finish took 3 months after denial letter. KEEP ALL DOCUMENTS AND LETTERS FOREVER, u never know when you'll need them. Good Luck


I do have a FOID and I received it with no issues about 5 years ago. I recently checked if it was still valid and it is. I hope I get a letter or an email with the next step soon so I can start the appeal process.

maybe that didn't update their records, or maybe we who were wrongfully convicted of felonies that were misdemeanors had objections filed by law enforcement to make sure we didn't sneak threw the cracks of their bad record keeping, also when you get the letter it's probably going to tell you to surrender your foid card Attached File  IMG_20140201_0003.pdf   422.48KB   200 downloads

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Posted 01 February 2014 - 05:05 PM

I have a C&R from 2001 and a new Fla permit. The C&R revealed a 1972 arrest for a misdemeanor in California.
Paid the fine and the judge said it would be purged in a year.
FBI found it in 2000.
I got a letter about it and explained the situation and got the license.
Got a letter from Fla this fall-same thing. They wanted some proof snd I spent the day on phone going in circles. California had totally changed their system and I never got anywhere and gave up.
I informed Florida of this and a few weeks ago my license showed up!
I am expecting the same from Illinois but we'll see.
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Posted 01 February 2014 - 06:00 PM

I have a C&R from 2001 and a new Fla permit. The C&R revealed a 1972 arrest for a misdemeanor in California.
Paid the fine and the judge said it would be purged in a year.
FBI found it in 2000.
I got a letter about it and explained the situation and got the license.
Got a letter from Fla this fall-same thing. They wanted some proof snd I spent the day on phone going in circles. California had totally changed their system and I never got anywhere and gave up.
I informed Florida of this and a few weeks ago my license showed up!
I am expecting the same from Illinois but we'll see.
In short, if you have any skeletons, expect them to arise pointing they bony fingers.


Would you mind sharing the date you applied? just curious how long it took for the denial. I wondered if they run your background during the 30 day objection or wait til the end of the objection period to proceed to vetting you.

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Posted 01 February 2014 - 06:34 PM

Now I am concerned.. I lived in DuPage County, Elmhurst specifically, as a kid and about 27 years ago (when I was 18) I was in a park with a pellet gun shooting at empty cans, the local PD cited me with "Discharging a Firearm within city limits". I went to court and was told that once my probation period was completed the incident would get erased from my record (which I completed successfully). I have had a FOID card since I was 21 AND I was Private Detective with a TAN card for 10 plus years (My TAN card expired in 1999 and I never renewed it). About 5 years ago, my partner from the Detective Agency ran my name in the police computers (He is a Sheriff for Cook County) and the arrest was still there.. It has never caused me any problems so I did not bother to do anything about it, now I am wondering if it will now present an issue.. Before anyone asks, I have no idea if it was a Felony, Misdemeanor or Local Ordinance.

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Posted 01 February 2014 - 10:26 PM

You will not receive a formal denial letter until your 90 days have passed even though they took far less time to deny you. Yeah I know makes sense why allow people to appeal now when you can serve up a huge mess of erroneous denials, objections filed based on info gained after polling LEADS and what have you, all in one neat pile for the review board next month. That's what I was told when I called the FSB after my denial and after almost three weeks of absolutely nothing, I believe that information to be true since I've received zero communication from the ISP. I applied on 1/3 and when I checked my app on 1/14 status had changed to "Denied" (although the change likely occurred the day before since...erm long story short, even though the circumstances of mine may be royally messed up, no reason to believe they would put automatic DQs up for LEO objections). I'm betting whatever info they got, if it's confusing they would just deny you and send you it up bureaucratic ladder for someone else to deal with.

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Posted 28 February 2014 - 05:16 PM

MY STATUS ALSO SAYS DENIED, I HAVE NO FELONIES OR MISDEMANORS AND A VALID FOID CARD. WAS NEVER CONVICTED. ARRESTED ONCE FOR RETAIL THEFT. THIS PROCESS IS BS

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Posted 28 February 2014 - 05:23 PM

Now I am concerned.. I lived in DuPage County, Elmhurst specifically, as a kid and about 27 years ago (when I was 18) I was in a park with a pellet gun shooting at empty cans, the local PD cited me with "Discharging a Firearm within city limits". I went to court and was told that once my probation period was completed the incident would get erased from my record (which I completed successfully). I have had a FOID card since I was 21 AND I was Private Detective with a TAN card for 10 plus years (My TAN card expired in 1999 and I never renewed it). About 5 years ago, my partner from the Detective Agency ran my name in the police computers (He is a Sheriff for Cook County) and the arrest was still there.. It has never caused me any problems so I did not bother to do anything about it, now I am wondering if it will now present an issue.. Before anyone asks, I have no idea if it was a Felony, Misdemeanor or Local Ordinance.


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Posted 28 February 2014 - 05:44 PM

I was denied, I have tried to contact isp through email and calling.
They have no answers when you call, and the main answer is basically " nothing is final until you get the denial letter "
I have my attorney on standby and I am ready to fight this. I live in cook county, and when I log into my app, it just says denied. No explanation of any sort. Just denied. Aggravating
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Posted 28 February 2014 - 05:50 PM

I agree with you timothy very aggravating and I too contacted an attorney but they said we cant do anything until this letter comes in

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Posted 28 February 2014 - 05:51 PM

Sorry to hear that Timothy

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Posted 28 February 2014 - 06:01 PM

This is really starting to sound like a constitutional issue.

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Posted 28 February 2014 - 06:12 PM

This is really starting to sound like a constitutional issue.


I doubt it. They have to be notified of the reasons for denial in the letter. Nothing can really be done about it until then.

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Posted 28 February 2014 - 06:41 PM

My lawyer said the same thing

I agree with you timothy very aggravating and I too contacted an attorney but they said we cant do anything until this letter comes in


My lawyer said the same thing, when I asked the ever so helpful lady ( sarcastic of course ) on the phone at isp, if there will be an appeal number so my attorney can attach it to his appeal. She acted shocked I had already contacted an attorney
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Posted 28 February 2014 - 08:20 PM

ok i live in humbouldt park area. not the best place in chicago i remember about 10 yrs ago or maybe less , chicago 14th district police department use to do sweeps i our area because of high gang activity, it didnt matter if you were in a gang or not ... if you were hanging out in the street and there was more than 3 ppl in the hangout spot guess what you were going to get locked up for disordely conduct and tagged as a gang member even if you werent about that life. Now i got taken a cpl times on these sweeps and im thinking they use that to red flag me and its bs if thats why they denied me. im not a gang memeber and never been convicted of any crime.Now would they use that against me and put me down as gang ties? Now i work to hard for my money and it feels like crook county if screwing everybody that live in the hoods of chicago. its a waist of money for this permit if dart is gonna object for bs like that. I conctacted lawyer and hes also waiting for letter of denial.

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Posted 28 February 2014 - 08:24 PM

Is there anyone else that live in the hood that got denied for no reason ? by hood i mean bad areas of chicago crook county

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Posted 28 February 2014 - 08:24 PM

ok i live in humbouldt park area. not the best place in chicago i remember about 10 yrs ago or maybe less , chicago 14th district police department use to do sweeps i our area because of high gang activity, it didnt matter if you were in a gang or not ... if you were hanging out in the street and there was more than 3 ppl in the hangout spot guess what you were going to get locked up for disordely conduct and tagged as a gang member even if you werent about that life. Now i got taken a cpl times on these sweeps and im thinking they use that to red flag me and its bs if thats why they denied me. im not a gang memeber and never been convicted of any crime.Now would they use that against me and put me down as gang ties? Now i work to hard for my money and it feels like crook county if screwing everybody that live in the hoods of chicago. its a waist of money for this permit if dart is gonna object for bs like that. I conctacted lawyer and hes also waiting for letter of denial.


Wow, we all thought that it was gonna be instructors that were gonna make a lot off of the carry law. Looks like it's the appeals attorneys that are gonna make a killing :drool:

Edited by Jatwood29, 28 February 2014 - 08:25 PM.


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Posted 28 February 2014 - 09:13 PM

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
Hmmm last time i checked the only people committing a crime was the us goverment and their peace officers that swear to protect our constitution and every chance they get to screw it they do... il rather be judged by 12 than carried by 6.

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Posted 28 February 2014 - 09:15 PM

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Posted 28 February 2014 - 09:23 PM

So the goverment tells denies my permit but allows me to join the police academy because i have no criminal record... hmmmm i smell rats.. fat rich rats that are just taking our money and laughing in our face...

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Posted 28 February 2014 - 10:43 PM

They look at more then convictions.
Just having arrests can get you booted.

( If an applicant has 5 or more arrests for any reason, that have been entered into the Criminal History Records
Information (CHRI) System, within the 7 years preceding the date of application for a license, or has 3 or more arrests
within the 7 years preceding the date of application for a license for any combination of gang-related offenses, the
Department shall object and submit the applicant's arrest record, the application materials, and any additional
information submitted by a law enforcement agency to the Board.

Edited by RacerDave6, 01 March 2014 - 08:14 AM.

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Posted 28 February 2014 - 10:54 PM

ok i live in humbouldt park area. not the best place in chicago i remember about 10 yrs ago or maybe less , chicago 14th district police department use to do sweeps i our area because of high gang activity, it didnt matter if you were in a gang or not ... if you were hanging out in the street and there was more than 3 ppl in the hangout spot guess what you were going to get locked up for disordely conduct and tagged as a gang member even if you werent about that life. Now i got taken a cpl times on these sweeps and im thinking they use that to red flag me and its bs if thats why they denied me. im not a gang memeber and never been convicted of any crime.Now would they use that against me and put me down as gang ties? Now i work to hard for my money and it feels like crook county if screwing everybody that live in the hoods of chicago. its a waist of money for this permit if dart is gonna object for bs like that. I conctacted lawyer and hes also waiting for letter of denial.


I could see being a a known associate of gang members (current or former) being a reason for rejection. Anybody you get pinched with have ties? Do you have a common name?

While it sucks you got the initial rejection, I wish you luck in clearing this up. If you haven't already, get in touch with Todd on this forum with specifics. While we all expect the .gov to do their homework, we only have to look at their previous endeavours ( all failures) to see the truth. Keep the faith and stay with it. It will get cleared up, and you may end up wealthy if truly discriminated against.

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Posted 01 March 2014 - 07:47 AM

I checked my application status last week and it said DENIED. When I sign it says "Your application has been denied for the following reason:

  • FOID-Adjudicated delinquent minor (State) or an adult with a juvenile adjudication of a felony" .
    I have called the ISP twice and they have not been able to give me any info on how to start the appeal process. I halfway expected this to happen because it came up when I applied for my Florida and Arizona ccw permits. I have court documents stating this judgment was vacated. Once I provided this to Florida and Arizona they promptly issued my permits. I’m sure if I can show this document to Illinois they will then approve my application. I contacted an attorney for clarification and she was surprised this came up until I told her it Cook County was involved. She said they have horrible record keeping. I have read online that I can appeal through the Concealed Carry Licensing Review Board but I have no idea how to contact them for the appeal. Any suggestions?


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You Said when you logged in it tells you the reason why it got denied? Just asking because mines just says denied but no info on why.




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