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Posted 08 July 2013 - 12:43 PM

http://www.isp.state...ccw/ccw-faq.cfm

Link just went up as far as I can tell.

Edited by TacticalVideo, 08 July 2013 - 12:43 PM.


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Posted 08 July 2013 - 12:52 PM

LOL

That really is awesome. If we could just get all police officers and officials in Cook to read it.


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Edited by vezpa, 08 July 2013 - 01:02 PM.

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Posted 08 July 2013 - 12:56 PM

Excellent Link, I updated my FAQ.
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Posted 08 July 2013 - 12:57 PM

How irrelevant is Quinn that even the ISP is writing off his veto?

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Posted 08 July 2013 - 12:58 PM

READ CAREFULLY

** Nobody will be getting their license early.**

How long will it take a citizen to obtain a Concealed Carry License?

The ISP will comply with the mandates of the Act. The application will be available within 180 days of the effective date and licenses will be issued 90 days after a qualified application is submitted. Law enforcement agencies will have 30 days to file an objection.


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Posted 08 July 2013 - 01:00 PM

that is truly amazing....

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Posted 08 July 2013 - 01:02 PM

Looks like the ISP has done their homework

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Posted 08 July 2013 - 01:04 PM

I wonder if they realize they're are using the wrong acronym. It's LTCH license to carry handgun not CCW carry concealed weapon
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Posted 08 July 2013 - 01:05 PM

*Deleted* Got my answer

Edited by Uncle Ted, 08 July 2013 - 01:07 PM.

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Posted 08 July 2013 - 01:12 PM

*Deleted* Got my answer


It's not really bill specific.

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Posted 08 July 2013 - 01:13 PM

*Deleted* Got my answer

Perhaps this passage from the page covers it?

The Illinois State Police will continue to enforce the law in effect after July 9, 2013. Assuming the law is either the version passed by the General Assembly or that amended by the Governor; citizens cannot lawfully carry concealed weapons without a valid Concealed Carry License.
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Posted 08 July 2013 - 01:16 PM

I wonder if Quinn is sitting at his desk right now wondering how he became so irrelevant.
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Posted 08 July 2013 - 01:21 PM

The Illinois State Police will continue to enforce the law in effect after July 9, 2013. Assuming the law is either the version passed by the General Assembly or that amended by the Governor; citizens cannot lawfully carry concealed weapons without a valid Concealed Carry License.


And this line proves that this law has not settled the terms of the lawsuit. Illinois citizens are still denied carry for at least another 6-9 months. It does not say anything about open carry however.

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Edited by vezpa, 08 July 2013 - 01:26 PM.

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Posted 08 July 2013 - 01:22 PM

Perhaps when he became potato head instead of Governor....

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Posted 08 July 2013 - 01:28 PM

Well,its a promising sight none the less.

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Posted 08 July 2013 - 02:18 PM

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http://www.isp.state...ccw/ccw-faq.cfm

How will ISP officers and local law enforcement respond to citizens who are carrying weapons after July 9th?

The Illinois State Police will continue to enforce the law in effect after July 9, 2013. Assuming the law is either the version passed by the General Assembly or that amended by the Governor; citizens cannot lawfully carry concealed weapons without a valid Concealed Carry License. Citizens who carry loaded firearms without a Conceal Carry License issued by the Illinois State Police are subject to arrest. All citizens seeking to obtain a Concealed Carry License must have a valid FOID card.

Who needs a CCW license?

Everyone who wants to carry a concealed firearm in Illinois is required to have a CCW license except current peace officers and retired police officers eligible under the Illinois Retired Officer Concealed Carry (IROCC) Program. Retired officers may be eligible to carry under either the IROCC Program or the new CCW law.

Are out-of-state concealed carry permit holders granted reciprocity in Illinois?

No. Out of state residents must obtain an Illinois Concealed Carry License to lawfully carry a concealed firearm in Illinois. In order for out of state residents to be eligible for an Illinois license, their state’s concealed carry license laws must be substantially similar to those of Illinois. The Illinois State Police will establish rules to identify the elements necessary to meet the substantially similar requirement.

What is the cost for a Concealed Carry License?

$150 for 5 years for Illinois residents
$300 for 5 years for non-residents

How does a citizen apply for a Concealed Carry License? When will the applications be available? Where can applications be obtained?

The ISP has 180 days to make applications available to the public. The ISP intends to have applications available via the ISP webpage.

How long will it take a citizen to obtain a Concealed Carry License?

The ISP will comply with the mandates of the Act. The application will be available within 180 days of the effective date and licenses will be issued 90 days after a qualified application is submitted. Law enforcement agencies will have 30 days to file an objection.

What are the qualifications for a Concealed Carry License?

The applicant must:
* Be at least 21 years of age
* Have a valid FOID card
* Have not been convicted or found guilty in this State or any other state of:
* A misdemeanor involving the use or threat of physical force or violence to any person within the last 5 years.
* 2 or more violations related to driving while under the influence of alcohol, other drug or drugs, intoxicating compound or compounds, or any combination thereof, within the last 5 years.

* Not be the subject of a pending arrest warrant, prosecution, or proceeding for an offense or action that could lead to disqualification.
* Not have been in a residential or court-ordered treatment for alcoholism, alcohol detoxification, or drug treatment within the last 5 years.
* Submit a completed Concealed Carry License Application.
* Successfully complete 16 hours of firearms training, including classroom and range instruction

Where can citizens obtain firearms training?

Within 60 days of becoming law, the Act mandates the ISP to begin approval of certified firearms instructors and firearm training courses. The ISP website will provide a registry of instructors and approved classes.

PLEASE NOTE: On-duty ISP Troopers will NOT provide training to citizens, nor will ISP ranges be utilized.

What are the qualifications to become a Concealed Carry Firearms Instructor?

A person seeking to become a certified Concealed Carry Firearms Instruction shall:
* Be at least 21 years of age.
* Be a legal resident of the United States and be qualified for a concealed carry permit within Illinois.
* Possess a high school diploma or GED certificate.
* Have at least one of the following valid firearms instructor certifications:
* Certification from a law enforcement agency.
* Certification from a firearm instructor course offered by a state or federal governmental agency.
* Certification from a firearm instructor qualification course offered by the Illinois Law Enforcement Training Standards Board.
* Certification from an entity approved by the Illinois State Police that offers firearm instructor education and training in the use and safety of firearms.

How can I register as an instructor?

The Illinois State Police will establish rules consistent with the provisions of the Act. As additional information regarding the rule making process becomes available, updates will be posted to our website.

Where can business owners or property owners obtain information regarding required signage?

The Illinois State Police will establish rules consistent with the provisions of the Act. As additional information regarding the rule making process becomes available, updates will be posted to the ISP website.

Edited by Tango7, 08 July 2013 - 02:32 PM.

You will not 'rise to the occasion', you will default to your level of training - plan accordingly.

Despite their rallying around us at election time, honoring only 8 hours of Illinois' 40+ hour law enforcement class towards a 16 hour requirement shows the contempt that our elected officials hold us in.

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Posted 08 July 2013 - 02:22 PM

Posted Image Are out-of-state concealed carry permit holders granted reciprocity in Illinois?
No. Out of state residents must obtain an Illinois Concealed Carry License to lawfully carry a concealed firearm in Illinois. In order for out of state residents to be eligible for an Illinois license, their state’s concealed carry license laws must be substantially similar to those of Illinois. The Illinois State Police will establish rules to identify the elements necessary to meet the substantially similar requirement.


I don't recall seeing this mentioned here before... IN's LTCH is not anywhere near "substantially similar". Does that mean that they'll be giving IN residents grief when we try to apply, or does this simply mean that we'll have to take the 16 hour class just like any schmoe off the street?

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Posted 08 July 2013 - 02:29 PM

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I never would have believed it...

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Posted 08 July 2013 - 02:35 PM

crazy. 270 days+ until permits. how long did it take other states?

Edited by BrowningHP, 08 July 2013 - 02:36 PM.


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Posted 08 July 2013 - 02:51 PM

lol, so awesome. :drool:

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Posted 08 July 2013 - 02:53 PM

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Posted 08 July 2013 - 02:53 PM

Are out-of-state concealed carry permit holders granted reciprocity in Illinois?
No. Out of state residents must obtain an Illinois Concealed Carry License to lawfully carry a concealed firearm in Illinois. In order for out of state residents to be eligible for an Illinois license, their state’s concealed carry license laws must be substantially similar to those of Illinois. The Illinois State Police will establish rules to identify the elements necessary to meet the substantially similar requirement.


What does this mean for an IN resident with an LTCH? Our LTCH is nowhere near "substantially similar". Does this mean that residents of states with stiffer training requirements will get credit for that training in IL? Or does this mean that they're getting down on their knees and begging for some sort of lawsuit based on Equal Protection?

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Posted 08 July 2013 - 03:03 PM

Are out-of-state concealed carry permit holders granted reciprocity in Illinois?
No. Out of state residents must obtain an Illinois Concealed Carry License to lawfully carry a concealed firearm in Illinois. In order for out of state residents to be eligible for an Illinois license, their state’s concealed carry license laws must be substantially similar to those of Illinois. The Illinois State Police will establish rules to identify the elements necessary to meet the substantially similar requirement.


What does this mean for an IN resident with an LTCH? Our LTCH is nowhere near "substantially similar". Does this mean that residents of states with stiffer training requirements will get credit for that training in IL? Or does this mean that they're getting down on their knees and begging for some sort of lawsuit based on Equal Protection?

Initially, it probably means IN residents won't be able to get an IL permit. Eventually, they will most likely allow it after the training criteria is met.

That's my guess, anyway.

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Posted 08 July 2013 - 03:11 PM

Since my dupe thread got locked (after all the work I did - sniff) here's the FAQ:


How will ISP officers and local law enforcement respond to citizens who are carrying weapons after July 9th?

The Illinois State Police will continue to enforce the law in effect after July 9, 2013. Assuming the law is either the version passed by the General Assembly or that amended by the Governor; citizens cannot lawfully carry concealed weapons without a valid Concealed Carry License. Citizens who carry loaded firearms without a Conceal Carry License issued by the Illinois State Police are subject to arrest. All citizens seeking to obtain a Concealed Carry License must have a valid FOID card.

Who needs a CCW license?

Everyone who wants to carry a concealed firearm in Illinois is required to have a CCW license except current peace officers and retired police officers eligible under the Illinois Retired Officer Concealed Carry (IROCC) Program. Retired officers may be eligible to carry under either the IROCC Program or the new CCW law.

Tango7 note - while the IROCC is nice, it's $75 a year with annual requal.

Are out-of-state concealed carry permit holders granted reciprocity in Illinois?

No. Out of state residents must obtain an Illinois Concealed Carry License to lawfully carry a concealed firearm in Illinois. In order for out of state residents to be eligible for an Illinois license, their state's concealed carry license laws must be substantially similar to those of Illinois. The Illinois State Police will establish rules to identify the elements necessary to meet the substantially similar requirement.

What is the cost for a Concealed Carry License?

$150 for 5 years for Illinois residents
$300 for 5 years for non-residents

How does a citizen apply for a Concealed Carry License? When will the applications be available? Where can applications be obtained?

The ISP has 180 days to make applications available to the public. The ISP intends to have applications available via the ISP webpage.

How long will it take a citizen to obtain a Concealed Carry License?

The ISP will comply with the mandates of the Act. The application will be available within 180 days of the effective date and licenses will be issued 90 days after a qualified application is submitted. Law enforcement agencies will have 30 days to file an objection.

What are the qualifications for a Concealed Carry License?

The applicant must:
* Be at least 21 years of age
* Have a valid FOID card
* Have not been convicted or found guilty in this State or any other state of:
* A misdemeanor involving the use or threat of physical force or violence to any person within the last 5 years.
* 2 or more violations related to driving while under the influence of alcohol, other drug or drugs, intoxicating compound or compounds, or any combination thereof, within the last 5 years.
* Not be the subject of a pending arrest warrant, prosecution, or proceeding for an offense or action that could lead to disqualification.
* Not have been in a residential or court-ordered treatment for alcoholism, alcohol detoxification, or drug treatment within the last 5 years.
* Submit a completed Concealed Carry License Application.
* Successfully complete 16 hours of firearms training, including classroom and range instruction

Where can citizens obtain firearms training?

Within 60 days of becoming law, the Act mandates the ISP to begin approval of certified firearms instructors and firearm training courses. The ISP website will provide a registry of instructors and approved classes.

PLEASE NOTE: On-duty ISP Troopers will NOT provide training to citizens, nor will ISP ranges be utilized.

What are the qualifications to become a Concealed Carry Firearms Instructor?

A person seeking to become a certified Concealed Carry Firearms Instruction shall:
* Be at least 21 years of age.
* Be a legal resident of the United States and be qualified for a concealed carry permit within Illinois.
* Possess a high school diploma or GED certificate.
* Have at least one of the following valid firearms instructor certifications:
* Certification from a law enforcement agency.
* Certification from a firearm instructor course offered by a state or federal governmental agency.
* Certification from a firearm instructor qualification course offered by the Illinois Law Enforcement Training Standards Board.
* Certification from an entity approved by the Illinois State Police that offers firearm instructor education and training in the use and safety of firearms.

How can I register as an instructor?

The Illinois State Police will establish rules consistent with the provisions of the Act. As additional information regarding the rule making process becomes available, updates will be posted to our website.

Where can business owners or property owners obtain information regarding required signage?

The Illinois State Police will establish rules consistent with the provisions of the Act. As additional information regarding the rule making process becomes available, updates will be posted to the ISP website.

Edited by Tango7, 08 July 2013 - 03:18 PM.

You will not 'rise to the occasion', you will default to your level of training - plan accordingly.

Despite their rallying around us at election time, honoring only 8 hours of Illinois' 40+ hour law enforcement class towards a 16 hour requirement shows the contempt that our elected officials hold us in.

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Posted 08 July 2013 - 03:25 PM

READ CAREFULLY

** Nobody will be getting their license early.**

How long will it take a citizen to obtain a Concealed Carry License?

The ISP will comply with the mandates of the Act. The application will be available within 180 days of the effective date and licenses will be issued 90 days after a qualified application is submitted. Law enforcement agencies will have 30 days to file an objection.


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Seems just slightly different than the bill language:

Except as otherwise provided in this Act, no later than 90 days after receipt of a completed application, the Department shall issue or deny the applicant a license.

So no licenses until April 4, 2014

Edited by Tango7, 08 July 2013 - 03:30 PM.

You will not 'rise to the occasion', you will default to your level of training - plan accordingly.

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Posted 08 July 2013 - 03:29 PM


READ CAREFULLY

** Nobody will be getting their license early.**

How long will it take a citizen to obtain a Concealed Carry License?

The ISP will comply with the mandates of the Act. The application will be available within 180 days of the effective date and licenses will be issued 90 days after a qualified application is submitted. Law enforcement agencies will have 30 days to file an objection.


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Seems just slightly different than the bill language:

Except as otherwise provided in this Act, no later than 90 days after receipt of a completed application,
the Department shall issue or deny the applicant a license.


The FAQ says "90 days after a QUALIFIED application is submitted".

I wonder what the timeframe is between being received by them (presumably unqualified, at least initially upon receipt) and being "qualified" - at which point the 90 day clock starts.

"qualified" needs editing to "completed" in their FAQ in my opinion.

Edited by RoadyRunner, 08 July 2013 - 03:30 PM.

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Posted 08 July 2013 - 03:32 PM

I took the "qualified application" part to mean the person sending in the application had met the training requirements. I could be wrong, though.

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Posted 08 July 2013 - 03:35 PM

crazy. 270 days+ until permits. how long did it take other states?

Well in Wisconsin the Gov signed the Bill on July 9th.
On November 1st of that year the applications were available.

So that's about 110 days from law to first applications available. (permit #1 was attorney general that same day so i dont count that day) but if I remember right they get 21 days (3 weeks) to process an application.

So worst case from signing the law to first REAL permit being issued? 131 days.Which makes sense, because this is Illinois it takes twice as long to do anything and costs twice as much! thus your 270 days for our CCW! :-)

Edited by RonOglesby, 08 July 2013 - 03:37 PM.

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Posted 08 July 2013 - 04:01 PM

Before everyone gets all giddy over the ISP having a FAQ section which is intended to answer your questions, I would like to throw out a subtle warning on what you are reading on the ISP website. For starters, have you read the disclaimer at the top of the FAQ page ?? It says, and this is a quote from the site.

Disclaimer: Answers provided to the following questions are meant only to give general guidance. The answers do not and are not meant to replace statutory language.

Why is the above statement important. Answer, because the ISP at times will give you their interpretation of the law and not the actual law. Read post #23 by Tango7. The language is different and has a different meaning. Good catch Tango7

The ISP in the past has put out information that was not in compliance with the ILCS. As an example, which they did correct. Under the old FAQ on how to transport your firearm legally. The ISP put for an out of state resident that the firearm had to be unloaded enclosed in a case AND not immediately accessible. According to the ILCS there was no difference between Illinois residents and out of state residents. Therefore the word AND should have been OR.

The point I'm trying to make here is this, you need to read the bill itself. Read it until you understand it and then read it again. The bill is the law, (when the AV veto is overidden tomorrow). The FAQ section is not the law and should not be considered as such.

I am posting this for those that may be new to this site or new to the whole firearm and carrying lifestyle.

There are plenty of people here that I would consider more knowledgeable on the laws pertaining to firearms than the ISP. So please be careful of what you read and what you consider the LAW.

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Posted 08 July 2013 - 04:10 PM

Fox news radio in St Louis is saying a year before any permits would be issued...
Lets break something!


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