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After the June 14 Crime Wave, Dunkin says "Bring in the National Guard"

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Johnnychgo Member

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Millions here don't know what the problem is. The impoverished sections of the city have been taken over by the Guzman drug cartel's 7 billion dollar drug business. Much like Miami during the 70's was dominated by Cuban cartels making it the crime capital of the U.S. then. The Guzman Cartel's leader "El Choppo" builds schools and hospitals in his region in Mexico. He has also provided electricity and water to remote areas that didn't have before. He has a huge network in Chicago with sales reps, warehouse men, security forces etc. I agree it can only take Federal action to solve this problem at this point just like it did in Miami. Chicago being the transportation hub that it is was perfect for the drug business. It is also one of the most segregated cities in the world which allows access to the minority gang network the cartel needs to do it's bidding. See post below. Solution? Stop the illegal drugs coming into the city the gangs are fighting over control of. You can always keep marching down the street holding hands singing "Com By Ya" and see how far that gets ya!

 

 

 

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GAS3987 Member

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Millions here don't know what the problem is. The impoverished sections of the city have been taken over by the Guzman drug cartel's 7 billion dollar drug business. Much like Miami during the 70's was dominated by Cuban cartels making it the crime capital of the U.S. then. The Guzman Cartel's leader "El Choppo" builds schools and hospitals in his region in Mexico. He has also provided electricity and water to remote areas that didn't have before. He has a huge network in Chicago with sales reps, warehouse men, security forces etc. I agree it can only take Federal action to solve this problem at this point just like it did in Miami. Chicago being the transportation hub that it is was perfect for the drug business. It is also one of the most segregated cities in the world which allows access to the minority gang network the cartel needs to do it's bidding. See post below. Solution? Stop the illegal drugs coming into the city the gangs are fighting over control of. You can always keep marching down the street holding hands singing "Com By Ya" and see how far that gets ya!

 

 

 

http://illinoiscarry...=30#entry387239

 

If they truly get rid of the problem, they won't have a "crisis to deal with." The more and more I learn about Chicago, the less time I want to spend there.

 

My wife likes to visit certain areas from time to time. I'll admit, there are locations about the city that I do like. But the list of negatives, in my book, trumps any positive that would draw me there.

 

I have an incredibly hard time supporting a city (visiting, spending money there) that is responsible for nearly every piece of crap legislation and policy in this state. Not to mention it's the original home for a plethora of worthless politicians that are ruining the rest of the state.

largefarva Member

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Chicago isn't a place I have any desire to ever visit. I'm an hour away and can't be bothered to go there for any reason what so ever. I've only lived in Illinois for about six years now, and in that time span I've gone to Chicago a grand total of once (aside of when I've had to go there for my previous job). My wife and I were there for maybe 20 minutes before we hopped back in my truck and got out of there. It really is the armpit of Illinois....probably the entire midwest.
IL-Logical Member

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um wouldn't bringing in the national guard violate posi comatatus (sp?)?

 

Does anyone else see the irony too? Deal with the crime problem by bringing more armed people into the city? Can't arm the law abiding people though.

karim18 Member

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um wouldn't bringing in the national guard violate posi comatatus (sp?)?

 

Does anyone else see the irony too? Deal with the crime problem by bringing more armed people into the city? Can't arm the law abiding people though.

 

Technically speaking, the federal government sees the "National Guard" as the "State Malitia"... though in all reality, it is not.

Livewire18 Member

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They need to bring in the National Guard with a "shoot to kill gang bangers" agreement. That will help the most. If you don't want to be dead, don't be a banger!

 

we need equal protection in the south and west side, just like lincoln park

ummm.. you have more cops, than lincoln park, you just have a lot more gangs.

 

 

a large number of the people being shot are innocent bystanders...

 

I call BS on this. I think the majority of the people being shot are gang members.

C0untZer0 Member

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Part of the problem is not assigning responsibility to where it belongs - failed social programs that incent people to have children but provide no incentives for taking care of and raising children.

 

Failed social programs that provide free money and free stuff to people with no accountability or controls to ensure the money is being spent on children and not drugs, cigarettes, alcohol, trips to the casino and nail salons.

 

The Chicago democrats are on a quest to assign responsibility anywhere except where it belongs - with the people committing the crimes.

 

They talk about things being at fault - guns, drugs. They don't talk about the people being at fault because it blows up their whole premise for social engineering - pouring billions of tax payer money into programs to help the poor and underprivileged.

 

If you can keep pulling the wool over taxpayers eyes and keep telling them that guns and drugs are ravaging the inner city neighborhoods - then they'll keep allowing politicians to dip into their pocket books. There is a lot less sympathy though when taxpayers realize that the mothers in those neighborhoods don't give a **** about the babies they've given birth too, don't spend the welfare checks on taking care of those children, that the people in those neighborhoods have a hatred of the police and don't cooperate with police. they collectively cover up crimes which occur daily, and that a large number of the welfare recipients are themselves criminals... Ya, tax payers become a lot less willing to keep shelling out money to propagate that.

 

So you have to blame objects to keep the sympathy and willingness intact.

 

Why talk about the National Guard?

 

Because if you look at the problems with the police taking care of this problem it brings up unpleasant facts that Chicago democrats don't want to address:

 

Arresting the sons and nephews and grandsons of the constituents and risking angering the constituents. Those constituents also do not want to take responsibility for the plight of their neighborhoods. The residents of the neighborhoods themselves want to blame things like drugs, guns, institutional racism, economic injustice - and everything else under the sun for the problems in their neighborhoods, when really - the problem is them and the choices they make.

 

When Chicago politicians look at the problem, besides risking pissing off their valuable constituents they are also faced with

 

1) Hiring more police officers (in terms of patronage dollars it is not money well-spent)

2) Spending money on police equipment

3) Building prisons

 

None of which they want to do - so morons like Dunkin bloviate about bringing in the National Guard...

 

 

 

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Ccc2003 Member

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Even with C C until the dem power is gone it will only get worse,remember the pics of The Gov with the 60 year old vice lords in the papers a few months ago.The gangs help keep them in power.they even got fed money to give to the gangs years ago,because they were turning a new leaf. Chicago is a big joke,unless your bank acc goes up every month,by turning a blind eye to what is going on.
snooter Member

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Griselda Blanco is who rahm should hire for this problem..it would be dealt with..griselda would have it cleaned up in about a week or so

 

Too bad she is dead.

 

yea..but she voted in last election for rahm..just sayin

patriot1776 Member

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The politicians keep pushing people out of Chicago with high prices , that even effects Illinoisans from venturing there . All that will be left , rich people and drug dealers , so who pays for everything ? The rest of the state , when Chicago becomes Detroit . Even drug addicts don't need to venture to Chicago to buy drugs . The National Guard , really ? Time for the politicians to fix this with real solutions , Rahm is spending millions in Police overtime , how long can that last ? Deploying the Guard is free , right ? The video is being made right now to show students in College , how not to run a business or government , the title is Illinois .
SAXD9 Member

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I have often said that the National Guard should be sent in there to clean house. Too bad the National Guard is controlled by the Governor.
BobPistol Member

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A "modest solution" to gang violence.

 

Institute a special hunting license for hunting gangbangers. If someone flashes a gang sign, you are permitted to shoot them.

 

Of course this will never happen. They don't want democrat voters to be killed. They only want republican voters or non-Machine voters to be killed.

IL-Logical Member

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A "modest solution" to gang violence.

 

Institute a special hunting license for hunting gangbangers.

If you shoot them while they are trying to steal the stereo out of your car, you get popped for hunting over bait.
POAT54 Member

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A "modest solution" to gang violence.

 

Institute a special hunting license for hunting gangbangers. If someone flashes a gang sign, you are permitted to shoot them.

 

Of course this will never happen. They don't want democrat voters to be killed. They only want republican voters or non-Machine voters to be killed.

Hunting season on gangbangers? Really now, not a solution. All the gangbangers you kill will still vote for years in Chi-raq.

Smittyp83 Member

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Any National Guardsmen who are deployed into the city will become instant targets. They will have bounties on their heads from the gang leaders and will be used by the shorties to make their bones with the OG's. These guardsmen would no doubt be deployed WITHOUT weapons as they were along the US/Mexico border. They will be sitting ducks.

 

If they are armed, they will create a police state within the city limits. Think Northern Ireland, Korea, former East Germany, with checkpoints and razor wire to get to your house.

 

I honestly believe it will not be the National Guard we will see but the DHS police with their assault weapons and MRAPS, putting the latter scenario into place.

smcgath Member

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Part of the problem is not assigning responsibility to where it belongs - failed social programs that incent people to have children but provide no incentives for taking care of and raising children.

 

Failed social programs that provide free money and free stuff to people with no accountability or controls to ensure the money is being spent on children and not drugs, cigarettes, alcohol, trips to the casino and nail salons.

 

The Chicago democrats are on a quest to assign responsibility anywhere except where it belongs - with the people committing the crimes.

 

They talk about things being at fault - guns, drugs. They don't talk about the people being at fault because it blows up their whole premise for social engineering - pouring billions of tax payer money into programs to help the poor and underprivileged.

 

If you can keep pulling the wool over taxpayers eyes and keep telling them that guns and drugs are ravaging the inner city neighborhoods - then they'll keep allowing politicians to dip into their pocket books. There is a lot less sympathy though when taxpayers realize that the mothers in those neighborhoods don't give a **** about the babies they've given birth too, don't spend the welfare checks on taking care of those children, that the people in those neighborhoods have a hatred of the police and don't cooperate with police. they collectively cover up crimes which occur daily, and that a large number of the welfare recipients are themselves criminals... Ya, tax payers become a lot less willing to keep shelling out money to propagate that.

 

So you have to blame objects to keep the sympathy and willingness intact.

 

Why talk about the National Guard?

 

Because if you look at the problems with the police taking care of this problem it brings up unpleasant facts that Chicago democrats don't want to address:

 

Arresting the sons and nephews and grandsons of the constituents and risking angering the constituents. Those constituents also do not want to take responsibility for the plight of their neighborhoods. The residents of the neighborhoods themselves want to blame things like drugs, guns, institutional racism, economic injustice - and everything else under the sun for the problems in their neighborhoods, when really - the problem is them and the choices they make.

 

When Chicago politicians look at the problem, besides risking pissing off their valuable constituents they are also faced with

 

1) Hiring more police officers (in terms of patronage dollars it is not money well-spent)

2) Spending money on police equipment

3) Building prisons

 

None of which they want to do - so morons like Dunkin bloviate about bringing in the National Guard...

 

 

 

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well said :clap:
jlowrie Member

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One of my friends in the Army stepped in during the 1992 LA riots. At that time he was in the Marines at Camp Pendelton. A police officer asked my friend's fire team to "cover him" as he knocked on the door to a house where a man was holding a woman hostage.

 

When the hostage taker fired through the door at the police officer, it became very evident that the LEO version of "cover me" varies significantly with the Marine version.

 

Calling in the NG is a really bad idea, A better solution would be to hire surrounding area LEO as special police and clean up, but that would be a great expense that I don't think the Rahm father wants to take on. Plus it would cut into the machine's voting base.

vezpa Member

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The governor designates Chicago a State of Emergency and brings in the guard. CCW will be null in Chicago because of this. Does anything in our bill keep this from happening? I know a few soutnern states had this happen during Hurricanes so those states quickly passed new laws barring them from banning CCW during times of crisis.

 

I can't figure out how McCarthy still has a job. Emanuel probably can't replace him because they can't find anyone who can lie better.

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