July 8 looking strong for veto over-ride....

[BillR]

Cullerton said lawmakers expect they’ll have to return to Springfield before July 9 to take final action on a concealed-carry bill before a federal deadline to enact regulations

Read more: http://www.sj-r.com/...y#ixzz2WhHxcCYL

 

 

AND ...Although Quinn was speaking about Pension Legislation..., his timing as in "urgency before this date" is only urgent because of the cliff....

 

 

Governor Quinn wants the conference committee to strike a deal by July 8th so full House and Senate can vote.

 

ALSO Michael Tryon District 66 says:

 

The House is adjourned.. We will likely return on July 8 to address a possible partial Quinn veto of concealed carry and a new pension bill.

[skottieusa]

Makes me think of the other state governors who vetoed ccw bills and then promptly lost their next election....WI, MO, etc. Kind of like a ccw veto tradition. Lets hope we keep the tradition alive in IL.

[defaultdotxbe]

Makes me think of the other state governors who vetoed ccw bills and then promptly lost their next election....WI, MO, etc. Kind of like a ccw veto tradition. Lets hope we keep the tradition alive in IL.

We have our own tradition here, Jim Edgar vetoed CCW in 93 (I think) then won re-election

[RoadyRunner]

http://www.sj-r.com/...y#ixzz2WhHxcCYL

Hmm. 404 page not found on the URL.

[Jeffrey]

Makes me think of the other state governors who vetoed ccw bills and then promptly lost their next election....WI, MO, etc. Kind of like a ccw veto tradition. Lets hope we keep the tradition alive in IL.

the only tradition we have is prison.

[BillR]

Link works for me....

[RoadyRunner]

Link works for me....

Worked when I tried it a second time. Sorry for the false alarm!

[handyflyer]

Link works for me....

Worked when I tried it a second time. Sorry for the false alarm!

Were you down in Springfield today????

[Deuce]

This was pretty much expected that Quinn would stall until the last second, then veto the bill.

[jester121]

I just can't wait to see the hilarious things he tries to jam in with his amendatory veto. If his December attempt was any indication, this one will be a doozy.

[Mikefishshrooms1]

Obstructionism, it's the liberal way but I'm sick of it......

[Blade13]

I stumbled across the following article entitled: "Quinn Sets July 9 Deadline for Pension Reform Deal."

http://www.wjbdradio.com/LocalNews/Quinn-Sets-July-9-Deadline-for-Pension-Reform-Deal#.UcJM7dh2Mis

 

Notice the date of July 9 as his deadline. Coincidence?

[ilphil]

Makes me think of the other state governors who vetoed ccw bills and then promptly lost their next election....WI, MO, etc. Kind of like a ccw veto tradition. Lets hope we keep the tradition alive in IL.

Do you really think we would be better off with Little Lisa or Daley as governor?

Quinn is a buffoon but I think those two would be powerful AND evil.

[handyflyer]

Jello is truly an idiot. I am just waiting to Madigan to release any info he has on him so we can have 3 Governors in prison.

[Len S]

July 8. My birthday, it would be a nice present

[AuroraInstructor]

What type of of changes would Governor Jello make if he does an AV? The only thing I can think of is carrying in a restaurant / bar... They got everything else they wanted, including the most stringent training requirement in the country. Any ideas of what changes he'd try and how long the override process takes place if the legislators decide to agree to his changes?

[brianj - now in Kansas]

What type of of changes would Governor Jello make if he does an AV? The only thing I can think of is carrying in a restaurant / bar... They got everything else they wanted, including the most stringent training requirement in the country. Any ideas of what changes he'd try and how long the override process takes place if the legislators decide to agree to his changes?

 

Nah. If he does try to do an AV, he's gonna go whole hog. There was a quote on CapitolFax yesterday, from someone identified as "47th Ward":

 

This is Quinn’s re-election campaign kick-off. It will not be a simple veto. It will be a full blown media event and re-write to do right, probably at the home of a Chicago gun shot victim, with lots of gun control advocates, ministers, cops and moms with kids. Expect the full monty of gun control porn, fear, fear, and more fear with a dash of victim stories and photos of departed loved ones. It’s going to be over the top. Quinn will a/v it to include every conceivable item from ICHV and the Brady Center wish list. He’ll say this is what Governors can do, this is why you need strong leaders, the buck stops with him, he’s the only one who can protect us, yada, yada, yada. It’s his big moment in the sun and it doesn’t matter that the veto will be promptly over-ridden. It’s too good for Quinn to pass up and it highlights his only strength. The over-ride just reinforces the message Quinn is going to deliver and makes him seem more relevant. Trust me, it’ll be worth the wait.

 

If he does as I expect and issues an AV, expect to see, AT A MINIMUM:

 

1: "shall issue" goes away, and you'll have to show a life-threatening reason to your local sheriff AND the ISP before you're allowed to carry.

2: "pre-emption" goes away, and expect the list of places that are prohibited by default to increase dramatically. And the parking lot "safe harbor" will go with it.

3: A state-wide AWB, a la what he tried after the end of the fall session last year. It was (if you'll pardon the expression) "shot down" then, but no time like the present to go for round 2, I suppose. Expect to also see concurrent magazine bans and ammo bans (get rid of that absolutely AWFUL lead ammo, and the JHP's and everything else but regular copper-jacketed ball ammo).

 

Edit - Whoops: Almost forgot the biggie

4: The cost is gonna go up like a homesick meteor. Expect to see IN-STATE carry permits going for $500, with 40 hours of training and a shooting course requirement stronger than that of the US Army. Expect out-of-state permits to go away completely.

 

 

It'll be a "cast of thousands" production. In fact, if he DOES go as far as I'm scared that he will, I wouldn't be surprised to see those poor families from Sandy Hook dragged back into this.

 

Note: there are a few amongst us whose tinfoil hats are fitting better than mine. They expect the veto-override to fail, where I expect Phelps and the guy in the Senate (whose name I cannot remember right now) to handily override the veto. Personally, having worked for the federal government most of my adult life (and having been reasonably familiar with the way government agencies work in general), I think that the tinfoil hats are wrong on this one. To paraphrase, by it's very nature, a legislative body is "180 bodies and no brains". Yes, Mike Madigan is a very sharp operator. There are times I wonder why he didn't move to Vegas and take up professional gambling for a living. He could have made himself a LOT more money than being an Illinois legislator. I just don't think he would have either pushed (or even allowed) 184 to get as far as it did if he were only using it as a pawn in some other nefarious scheme. It would be too easy for the course of events to slip outside his control by letting it go as far as he has. Even now, he has no say in whether the veto is accepted or overridden. That's up to the sponsors. He's way too conservative (in a general sense, not a political sense) to be very willing to let even that much control slip out of his hands were he not prepared to see 183 become law.

 

Of course, that may just mean that my tinfoil hat isn't on tight enough and the "cosmic rays from Springfield" are having their intended effect.

 

Brian

[BillR]

I don't think M Madigan, Cullertom, Phelps or the sponsor Senator are going to allow any Quinn changes to trump them.

[Matt B]

I think the more absurd the AV the better it is for us. This was a painstakingly negotiated bill and here comes Quinn stomping all over it. The representatives would love to override that veto.

[mobrules]

I would really like to see Todd weigh in on this issue. I am sure there is a scorecard somewhere if we have enough votes still to override. My fear is some of the votes will be stripped away with pension reform negotiations. I plan to contact my local legislators tomorrow to voice my concern.

[brianj - now in Kansas]

I would really like to see Todd weigh in on this issue. I am sure there is a scorecard somewhere if we have enough votes still to override. My fear is some of the votes will be stripped away with pension reform negotiations. I plan to contact my local legislators tomorrow to voice my concern.

 

I'd like to see the scorecard, too. I expect that if Todd is at the point that he feels the need to keep a scorecard at all, however, I expect he feels the need to keep it under wraps.

 

From the way this was fought, with both Madigan and Cullerton voting for it, I think that we'd see the same attitude from the General Assembly that we saw back in January: "We've worked too long and to hard on this stuff. Stop screwing around with it."

 

And, if the AV changes the bill as much as I suspect it might, I wouldn't be surprised to find some folks that voted against the bill originally vote in favor of overriding the veto, just because Quinn's being such an ignoramus about this.

[Deuce]

I would really like to see Todd weigh in on this issue. I am sure there is a scorecard somewhere if we have enough votes still to override. My fear is some of the votes will be stripped away with pension reform negotiations. I plan to contact my local legislators tomorrow to voice my concern.

 

Madigan runs the show and if he says it passes, it passes (which it did overwhelmingly) Madigan still is showing his support for the bill and calling for Quinn to sign it.

[cm.stites]

we technically dont need enough votes to over ride the veto if you wanna get serious about it.. say quinn does veto it, phelps then moves to over ride.. over ride fails bill is dead.. then theres CC throughout illinois. making quinn and the dems look like they dont care about public safety.. downstate you will see very lenient carry rules and no AWB's or mag limits.. which will hinder chicagos efforts to justify thier very restrictive carry rules.... but madigan is not one to back something and then let some governor trump him... if he says they will over ride it then i truly think thats whats will happen but either way once phelps files the motion to over ride. its going to all come down on the democrats.

[Jwg43]

I know I'm a newbie here, and my opinion might not be worth much, but I see this going in a wholly different direction. At this point, the Governor is pushing local jurisdictions to adopt an assault weapons ban, as they will not be able to do so after the bill is law. Many are jumping on board who were not inclined to do so previously, as they don't want to lose the power to do so in the future. Quinn's veto and/or sweeping amendments are a virtual certainty. What I don't believe is certain is an override of the veto. The basis for the certainty of an override is to avoid "going over the cliff". IMHO, I don't believe Chicago Democrats are worried about that. I believe the cliff actually gives them what they want, ie. local control over gun issues. I don't believe they are really all that concerned about a patchwork of laws, and indeed that is what the Governor has been advocating. How does going over the cliff harm anyone north of I-80? It's a win/win for gun control advocates. They frighten local jurisdictions into expanding assault weapons bans into areas they currently don't exist, and then also continue to retain local control over gun issues, which they also want. I can't shake the feeling that we are all being snookered here.

[mobrules]

Not disagreeing with your points at all. However I can also see some of the collar county dems changing votes. Nothing would surprise me at this point.

[Drylok]

I know I'm a newbie here, and my opinion might not be worth much, but I see this going in a wholly different direction. At this point, the Governor is pushing local jurisdictions to adopt an assault weapons ban, as they will not be able to do so after the bill is law. Many are jumping on board who were not inclined to do so previously, as they don't want to lose the power to do so in the future. Quinn's veto and/or sweeping amendments are a virtual certainty. What I don't believe is certain is an override of the veto. The basis for the certainty of an override is to avoid "going over the cliff". IMHO, I don't believe Chicago Democrats are worried about that. I believe the cliff actually gives them what they want, ie. local control over gun issues. I don't believe they are really all that concerned about a patchwork of laws, and indeed that is what the Governor has been advocating. How does going over the cliff harm anyone north of I-80? It's a win/win for gun control advocates. They frighten local jurisdictions into expanding assault weapons bans into areas they currently don't exist, and then also continue to retain local control over gun issues, which they also want. I can't shake the feeling that we are all being snookered here.

I still have that same feeling too. But I talked to Todd last night and that conversation made me feel a little better.

[mobrules]

I know I'm a newbie here, and my opinion might not be worth much, but I see this going in a wholly different direction. At this point, the Governor is pushing local jurisdictions to adopt an assault weapons ban, as they will not be able to do so after the bill is law. Many are jumping on board who were not inclined to do so previously, as they don't want to lose the power to do so in the future. Quinn's veto and/or sweeping amendments are a virtual certainty. What I don't believe is certain is an override of the veto. The basis for the certainty of an override is to avoid "going over the cliff". IMHO, I don't believe Chicago Democrats are worried about that. I believe the cliff actually gives them what they want, ie. local control over gun issues. I don't believe they are really all that concerned about a patchwork of laws, and indeed that is what the Governor has been advocating. How does going over the cliff harm anyone north of I-80? It's a win/win for gun control advocates. They frighten local jurisdictions into expanding assault weapons bans into areas they currently don't exist, and then also continue to retain local control over gun issues, which they also want. I can't shake the feeling that we are all being snookered here.

I still have that same feeling too. But I talked to Todd last night and that conversation made me feel a little better.

Thank you for sharing that. A little encouragement goes a long way from the powers that know.

[cm.stites]

but if you look at what areas that are talking about AWB's they all surround cook anyways... they arent scaring the central or southern cities into doing so... so thats not getting them what they want. they want a statewide awb and thats not gonna happen. i think quinns just delaying to get as many surrounding cook as possible. so they can look like they are doing something about the violence in chicago.. when everyone knows they could honestly careless about the violence in chicago.. if they truly did the first thing they would do is remove the aldermen with gang affiliations from the city board.. and if you go back and look at the votes you could pull the few chicago dems that voted for it away and it still would have enough votes to be over ridden in both houses.

[BobPistol]

Like Tom Petty says: The waiting is the hardest part.

[Jwg43]

I agree that they want a statewide asssault weapons ban, but they would be happy to take a bunch of collar counties adopting an AWB where one did not exist before. The salient point is that it seems that they get the new assault weapons bans passed (where none had existed previously) and then we still go over the cliff. I'm having trouble seeing how doing so is detrimental to the gun control crowd. Again, it seems like a win/win for them.