ScareNario - Is Quinn Getting What He Wants?
#1
Posted Today, 12:08 PM
Just playing Democrats Advocate...is it possible that WE are being played? I mean, we know Quinn and his cronies wanted statewide AWBS, and by giving the scary scenario of municipalities not being able to legislate firearms at all unless they pass the most restrictive AWBS now, he's getting what he wants. If he was a really sneaky *******, wouldn't he WANT a bill to come to his desk that prohibits municipalities after passing into law? Wouldn't that pending law be the perfect storm to get folks to rush an AWBS? What if this sneaky ******* put the the other DemocRats on the yes side, to get the bill THIS FAR, and once it comes back with an amendatory veto, they pass THAT instead. Just a worst case ScareNario. Thoughts?
#2
Posted Today, 12:12 PM
#3
Posted Today, 12:12 PM
in short, there would not be a vote to concur, only override. if the override fails the bill is dead and we are back to square one, just a lot closer to the cliff
#4
Posted Today, 12:24 PM
Deuce, on 18 June 2013 - 12:12 PM, said:
Yes Deuce, I know handguns are off the table, but AWBS can still address handgun magazine limits, at the least for non-CCW permit holders, plus there's nothing good or sane about any AWBS. There's no real definition for an assault weapon, it's just a term created by Josh Sugrman.
defaultdotxbe, on 18 June 2013 - 12:12 PM, said:
in short, there would not be a vote to concur, only override. if the override fails the bill is dead and we are back to square one, just a lot closer to the cliff
OK, that makes sense, and answers my question about that possibility. Thanks.
#5
Posted Today, 12:50 PM
I truly think Jello is just stalling. He wants the local governments to try to do what he failed miserably at doing. Passing an AWB. I am a firm believer that Jello WANTS 183 to pass. The communties that have an AWB in place before he signs it will be able to keep them in place no matter what the state does.
#6
Posted Today, 12:51 PM
This being IL I wouldn't rule anything out yet, truthfully it's just becoming comical to me anymore. Every twist in the saga, it's like living a choose your own adventure book when I was a kid.
#7
Posted Today, 12:53 PM
#8
Posted Today, 01:09 PM
chip, on 18 June 2013 - 12:24 PM, said:
Deuce, on 18 June 2013 - 12:12 PM, said:
Yes Deuce, I know handguns are off the table, but AWBS can still address handgun magazine limits, at the least for non-CCW permit holders, plus there's nothing good or sane about any AWBS. There's no real definition for an assault weapon, it's just a term created by Josh Sugrman.
defaultdotxbe, on 18 June 2013 - 12:12 PM, said:
in short, there would not be a vote to concur, only override. if the override fails the bill is dead and we are back to square one, just a lot closer to the cliff
OK, that makes sense, and answers my question about that possibility. Thanks.
I think your completely wrong with the statement that I bolded. If and when HB183 becomes law, the state has exclusive power over handguns. So, please explain how an AWB can regulate a handgun magazine ??
#9
Posted Today, 01:14 PM
THE KING, on 18 June 2013 - 01:09 PM, said:
then there are also rifles that use the same mags as some handguns, home rule could argue that in those cases the mags are AW mags, not handgun mags
#10
Posted Today, 01:16 PM
Edited by 03rev, Today, 01:17 PM.
#11
Posted Today, 01:25 PM
defaultdotxbe, on 18 June 2013 - 01:14 PM, said:
THE KING, on 18 June 2013 - 01:09 PM, said:
then there are also rifles that use the same mags as some handguns, home rule could argue that in those cases the mags are AW mags, not handgun mags
Respectfully, I have to disagree. As an example, if I buy a firearm and it has a Crimson Trace laser attached, then that laser becomes part of the firearm / handgun. So I think magazines and accessories are covered by the bill.
I will send you a PM,
#12
Posted Today, 01:53 PM
THE KING, on 18 June 2013 - 01:25 PM, said:
defaultdotxbe, on 18 June 2013 - 01:14 PM, said:
THE KING, on 18 June 2013 - 01:09 PM, said:
then there are also rifles that use the same mags as some handguns, home rule could argue that in those cases the mags are AW mags, not handgun mags
Respectfully, I have to disagree. As an example, if I buy a firearm and it has a Crimson Trace laser attached, then that laser becomes part of the firearm / handgun. So I think magazines and accessories are covered by the bill.
I will send you a PM,
This is the way I understand it is well that there can be no restrictions on handguns, that's why they tried to pass the statewide high cap mag ban.
#13
Posted Today, 01:55 PM
Deuce, on 18 June 2013 - 01:53 PM, said:
THE KING, on 18 June 2013 - 01:25 PM, said:
I will send you a PM,
This is the way I understand it is well that there can be no restrictions on handguns, that's why they tried to pass the statewide high cap mag ban.
#14
Posted Today, 01:56 PM
Dang, Default, you beat me to the post. That was meant for Deuce
Edited by THE KING, Today, 01:57 PM.
#15
Posted Today, 02:14 PM
I've only read the bill twice, I'll have another look through it. Of course, IANAL...but I've been a PO and studied a lot of law. I'd like to hope that there are no loopholes, but there usually are.
#16
Posted Today, 02:20 PM
chip, on 18 June 2013 - 02:14 PM, said:
I've only read the bill twice, I'll have another look through it. Of course, IANAL...but I've been a PO and studied a lot of law. I'd like to hope that there are no loopholes, but there usually are.
#17
Posted Today, 02:25 PM
defaultdotxbe, on 18 June 2013 - 02:20 PM, said:
chip, on 18 June 2013 - 02:14 PM, said:
I've only read the bill twice, I'll have another look through it. Of course, IANAL...but I've been a PO and studied a lot of law. I'd like to hope that there are no loopholes, but there usually are.
That's correct, there are no "special" rules (besides carrying of course) that applies to CCW card holders that wouldn't apply to just FOID such as what handguns they can own and what not.
#18
Posted Today, 08:13 PM
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