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[illhunter]

Floridanative22, on 05 June 2013 - 01:07 PM, said:

TY @ Pyre400... Do the ISP run a Persons name through the NICS that person to get a FOID card? As I would like to have a CCWP its not worth the risk of loosing my FOID card...

Its quite vice versa. You won't lose it, you'll need a FOID card to qualify for a CCW license. Along with fingerprints, $150, 16 hours training with specific criteria for shot and distances and targets. And a clean mental health history.

[illhunter]

BigJim, on 04 June 2013 - 09:12 AM, said:

mrjam2jab, on 03 June 2013 - 09:41 PM, said:

flw, on 01 June 2013 - 02:08 PM, said:

Question 3. I was finger printed a few years (4 yrs) ago for being a substitute teacher in Illinois. Are those fingerprints acceptable since I had them done at and through my County jail and sent to the state of Illinois Professional Records Dept?

Fingerpriniting for background checks is "purpose" specific.  You must have new prints done for each purpose.  Even if you had the prints taken for the teaching job done yesterday, you would stil lhave to have them taken again for a carry permit.

Exactly.  After all, you finger prints may have changed since your last printing!

IF fingerprints change, how can they keep a database of any relevancy? I was fingerprinted for Dept of Financial and Professional Regulation by ISP approved vendors in 2009. They haven't asked for redo through a license renewal. Why should they, since fingerprints don't change, much.
It's all about the money!!!!!!!!!

[illhunter]

pyre400, on 04 June 2013 - 10:30 PM, said:

Floridanative22, on 04 June 2013 - 10:13 PM, said:

My question is... When getting an CCW Permit in Illinois my first question is there the option to carry ONLY in IIllinois and will they do a National background check? SECOND, if the concealed carry permit is not only for Illinois but lets say 10 other states are they going to do a background check on me in all 10 other states or just in Illinois? It is obvious there's a reason I am asking I got into trouble in Florida about 20 years ago rice discharge of a firearm a public which was in the city limits now what they do a background check on me in Florida or no and if they happen that long ago will it matter? I did file for a FOID card Here in Illinois and I did get it I do have a legal FOID card and I do have LEGAL firearms I just don't want to try and get a CCW permit in Illinois then they find out what happened in Florida and then take my FOID card away from me... The reasoning for the charge I have in Florida is for the discharge of a firearm in public is because my sisters ex boyfriend was beating her up and I shot a gun in the air to scare him out of there, Like I said it says discharge of a firearm in public which means in the city limits but I was still sort of in the country So it's not like I was downtown Winter Haven and shot the gun!!!   Anyway will Illinois State police run a background check on me nationwide or will they do it just in Illinois I've never been in trouble and Illinois And I'm a full time Ill resident for the last 17 years in Illinois!!!

I know they'll use the NICS, but I'll have to defer as to the other specifics - sorry.  I will not get into the whole warning shot either - that's not what you are looking for.

If I had to speculate, depending on the conviction you had, enough time has probably passed if you have been able to get a FOID.  I cant say for sure, but you might be ok.

If you ever bought a gun in Illinois (retail) you cleared a federal background check (NICS). If you applied for a FOID and lied, you committed another crime. When you got the FOID, you cleared a background check. I'll wager your're probably not a violent criminal with 36 arrests in the last five years who belongs to a loose association of fellow "street merchants" in Chicago. That's who won't pass a background check.

[ragsbo]

How will the B-27 target be scored for the 70% passing grade? Will they use the score rings (x-10, 9 ring, 8 ring etc) and passing will be 210 points out of 300?

[scout67]

ChrisS, on 03 June 2013 - 11:47 PM, said:

Double-J, on 02 June 2013 - 11:32 AM, said:

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1 year of birth, place of birth, height, weight, hair color, 2 eye color, maiden name or any other name the applicant has 3 used or identified with, and any address where the 4 applicant resided for more than 30 days within the 10 years 5 preceding the date of the license application; 6 (2) the applicant's valid driver's license number or 7 valid state identification card number; 8 (3) a waiver of the applicant's privacy and 9 confidentiality rights and privileges under all federal 10 and state laws, including those limiting access to juvenile 11 court, criminal justice, psychological, or psychiatric 12 records or records relating to any institutionalization of 13 the applicant, and an affirmative request that a person 14 having custody of any of these records provide it or 15 information concerning it to the Department;

Really? A complete waiver of my Confidentiality and Privacy Rights? I doubt that they would ever abuse these rights. How far will they go and who is privy to your information? Does this include personal and financial information as well? Do these records get expunged after the initial check or is there a time limit or window in which this waiver applies?

This sounds like "Big Brother's" opportunity to have a look see through your entire personal life. This Waiver is WAY BEYOND reasonable! Notice the comma?

While questions regarding preemption and prohibited areas have been discussed ad-nauseum, this section remains the elephant in the room.  This issue has been brought up a few times - twice in this thread by my count - and it has yet to be addressed.  We've all had to sign waivers allowing access to personal information for background checks and whatnot so I get that.  Background checks are addressed in another section of the bill, however this "waiver" is just kind of there on its own, with no qualifying/limiting statements regarding background checks.  The wording is quite vauge and open-ended.  It would be nice if those in-the-know would fill us in as to the meaning of this section of the bill.  As Written, it would seem that one's life pretty much becomes an open book with no limits as to what can be accessed or by whom.

I agree.  This point is like a paper cut, relatively small to the eye, but painfully obvious.  I hope someone can narrow down the wording and restrict the usage of the data available, and its possible abuse.

[dorvinion]

ragsbo, on 06 June 2013 - 11:21 AM, said:

How will the B-27 target be scored for the 70% passing grade? Will they use the score rings (x-10, 9 ring, 8 ring etc) and passing will be 210 points out of 300?

Unless the language changed from prior versions, 70% of hits must be on the silhouette.

Shouldn't be a problem, even for a novice.

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[mr_camera_man]

Will "no firearms" signs posted on otherwise non-prohibited buildings be enforceable through normal trespass, or will there be additional penalties like in Ohio?

[ragsbo]

dorvinion, on 06 June 2013 - 11:49 AM, said:

ragsbo, on 06 June 2013 - 11:21 AM, said:

How will the B-27 target be scored for the 70% passing grade? Will they use the score rings (x-10, 9 ring, 8 ring etc) and passing will be 210 points out of 300?

Unless the language changed from prior versions, 70% of hits must be on the silhouette.

Shouldn't be a problem, even for a novice.

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It says "during the range firing portion of the testing fails to hit the target with 70% of the rounds fired". So you think that means hitting the color anywhere, not using the scoring rings?

[ADANK]

What about DNR parks or camprgounds?  For example if I wanted to go camping a Johnson Sauk trail by Kewanee.  If its been posted I apologize I searched for IDNR and couldn't find what I was looking for.

[flw]

Elderberry, on 06 June 2013 - 10:31 AM, said:

755 ILCS defines disabled

Sec. 11a-2. "Disabled person" defined.) "Disabled person" means a person 18 years or older who (a) because of mental deterioration or physical incapacity is not fully able to manage his person or estate, or ( is a person with mental illness or a person with a developmental disability and who because of his mental illness or developmental disability is not fully able to manage his person or estate, or © because of gambling, idleness, debauchery or excessive use of intoxicants or drugs, so spends or wastes his estate as to expose himself or his family to want or suffering, or (d) is diagnosed with fetal alcohol syndrome or fetal alcohol effects...

Soooo HB183 Section 170 does not say if you have a physical disability you are automatically disqualified -- like if you have a bad hip and get a disabled parking permit...  

At least that is how I read it Molly....

My add on to this is the idleness phrase. So unemployment is idleness ? Let alone playing the lotto. And yes it is gambling.

Edited by flw, 06 June 2013 - 06:05 PM.

[dorvinion]

ADANK, on 06 June 2013 - 04:16 PM, said:

What about DNR parks or camprgounds?  For example if I wanted to go camping a Johnson Sauk trail by Kewanee.  If its been posted I apologize I searched for IDNR and couldn't find what I was looking for.

As I read, States parks should be ok to carry in.

Some buildings within a park may be posted though.

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[Drylok]

Q18. Does the vehicle "Safe Harbor" override my employers ban on having a firearm in my vehicle in a company parking lot?
A18. The bill allows LICENSEES to store a firearm in your vehicle despite a company policy to the contrary. However, it does not prevent them from taking some sort of action against you as an employee. If you under a collective bargaining agreement, you should contact you union about how they plan on handling this in the grievance procedure and as a new subject of mandatory bargaining.

How is this provision written in other states? I'm still a little worried about how our retarded, corporate scumbag company is going to handle this.

[Tango7]

ragsbo, on 06 June 2013 - 01:26 PM, said:

dorvinion, on 06 June 2013 - 11:49 AM, said:

ragsbo, on 06 June 2013 - 11:21 AM, said:

How will the B-27 target be scored for the 70% passing grade? Will they use the score rings (x-10, 9 ring, 8 ring etc) and passing will be 210 points out of 300?

Unless the language changed from prior versions, 70% of hits must be on the silhouette.

Shouldn't be a problem, even for a novice.

It says "during the range firing portion of the testing fails to hit the target with 70% of the rounds fired". So you think that means hitting the color anywhere, not using the scoring rings?

FWIW when I took the 40 hour Mandatory Firearms Training (LE) they followed these rules:

Police Training Bureau Annual Firearm Testing Administrative Rules(PDF)



Section 1720.APPENDIX C Firearm Qualification Course-of-Fire
1) Target Scoring Area: 8½ x 14 inch overlay/center mass of target. The defined firearm
types are: Semi-auto/Revolver handgun; minimum capacity 5 rounds

2) For Duty Handgun Qualification, all stages of fire will commence from a secured holster.
For Off Duty/Retired Officer Qualification, all stages of fire will commence with the
handgun in hand from the "low ready" position. A passing score is 70% = 21 hits on center
mass.

3) Where indicated below, the word "DRAW" requires the shooter to withdraw the handgun
from a secured holster on the command to fire. The word "PRESENT" means that the
shooter has the handgun in the shooting hand in low ready (depressed muzzle) position and
stands ready for the command to fire under the following conditions:

5 Yard line – Total of 12 rounds
Stage 1 Draw/Present and fire 2 rounds in 6 seconds
Stage 2 Draw/Present and fire 2 rounds in 6 seconds
Stage 3 Draw/Present and fire 2 rounds in 6 seconds
Stage 4 Draw/Present and fire 2 rounds in 6 seconds
Stage 5 Draw/Present and fire 2 rounds in 6 seconds
Stage 6 Draw/Present and fire 2 rounds in 6 seconds
Shooters will reload without command as needed between stages of fire.

7 Yard line – Total of 12 rounds
Stage 7 Draw/Present and fire 3 rounds in 7 seconds
Stage 8 Draw/Present and fire 3 rounds in 7 seconds
Stage 9 Draw/Present and fire 3 rounds in 7 seconds
Stage 10 Draw/Present and fire 3 rounds in 7 seconds

15 Yard line – Total of 6 rounds
Stage 11 Draw/Present and fire 3 rounds in 10 seconds
Stage 12 Draw/Present and fire 3 rounds in 10 seconds
Stage 12 <OPTIONAL> 25 Yard line-: Draw/Present and fire 3
rounds in 15 seconds
(in lieu of the second 10 second /three round string at 15 yards)

4) The above course-of-fire is the minimum standard required. Any agency may
include any modification that increases the level of difficulty such as reloading,
alternate hands, movement, time restriction, or other job related skills.
(Source: Added at 30 Ill. Reg. 7925, effective April 11, 2006)


We were told all shots needed to hit the paper. PTI used (uses) an 8 1/2" x 14" like so:



As long as it hits the paper - even like the flyer in the lower left - it counts.

[Spclpps]

EnjoyLife, on 01 June 2013 - 08:16 AM, said:

I have a FOID and am not a felon.  When I was 18, I was in possession of stolen equipment and plead guilty for a SIS (suspended imposition of sentence). After doing the probation, the conviction was never recorded, hence I am not a felon and am in good standing.  That being said, the wording of the bill suggests that I will not be able to get a CCW in Illinois, as I plead guilty to a felony (even though I was never convicted.)

I am 40 now.  This happened 22 years ago.  I was told that an SIS would not affect me after completion of the probation.

Am I correct in my thinking that I will not be eligible for the CCW in Illinois?  I am eligible in Florida...

When the bill becomes law , make an application for a permit and you'll find out

[dorvinion]

Drylok, on 09 June 2013 - 07:21 AM, said:

Q18. Does the vehicle "Safe Harbor" override my employers ban on having a firearm in my vehicle in a company parking lot?
A18. The bill allows LICENSEES to store a firearm in your vehicle despite a company policy to the contrary. However, it does not prevent them from taking some sort of action against you as an employee. If you under a collective bargaining agreement, you should contact you union about how they plan on handling this in the grievance procedure and as a new subject of mandatory bargaining.

How is this provision written in other states? I'm still a little worried about how our retarded, corporate scumbag company is going to handle this.

Don't know how its written in other states.

If your corporate scumbag policy is no firearms on the premises, this is what could happen if a firearm is found in your vehicle.

Your employer can (probably will) terminate your employment immediately.

But as far as the State of Illinois is concerned. No crime has been committed. Which is what the safe harbor stuff is all about.

[sirflyguy]

ragsbo, on 06 June 2013 - 01:26 PM, said:

dorvinion, on 06 June 2013 - 11:49 AM, said:

ragsbo, on 06 June 2013 - 11:21 AM, said:

How will the B-27 target be scored for the 70% passing grade? Will they use the score rings (x-10, 9 ring, 8 ring etc) and passing will be 210 points out of 300?

Unless the language changed from prior versions, 70% of hits must be on the silhouette.

Shouldn't be a problem, even for a novice.

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It says "during the range firing portion of the testing fails to hit the target with 70% of the rounds fired". So you think that means hitting the color anywhere, not using the scoring rings?

Assuming I get on the approved instructor list, I am going to score anything in the black as a hit.  They will have to issue a new law for me to do otherwise.  And as dorvinion said, it shouldn't be an issue for most shooters.  I have said it many times: If a person can't pass it, they probably need not be carrying a gun.  Keep in mind that there is no time limit given.  If a person can't hit this 70% of the time while standing and doing carefully aimed fire, then they need to practice a lot.

[C0untZer0]

I started another thread with this question, but if there is an answer I'd like it to go in the FAQ

Does HB 183 allow for carrying 2 handguns?

[Scots]

Was there a decision made to avoid putting a Q&A about consuming alcohol in the FAQ?


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[Tango7]

Scots, on 19 June 2013 - 06:07 AM, said:

Was there a decision made to avoid putting a Q&A about consuming alcohol in the FAQ?


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There are 27 hits on the word "alcohol", one of which points us to Page 28 of the bill itself

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(d) A licensee shall not carry a concealed firearm while  
20  under the influence of alcohol, other drug or drugs,  
21  intoxicating compound or combination of compounds, or any  
22  combination thereof, under the standards set forth in  
23  subsection (a) of Section 11-501 of the Illinois Vehicle Code.

So since it's referenced, here's the applicable portion of the Illinois Vehicle Code:

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(625 ILCS 5/11-501) (from Ch. 95 1/2, par. 11-501)
    Sec. 11-501. Driving while under the influence of alcohol, other drug or drugs, intoxicating compound or compounds or any combination thereof.
    (a) A person shall not drive or be in actual physical control of any vehicle within this State while:
        (1) the alcohol concentration in the person's blood or breath is 0.08 or more based on the definition of blood and breath units in Section 11-501.2;
         (2) under the influence of alcohol;
        (3) under the influence of any intoxicating compound or combination of intoxicating compounds to a degree that renders the person incapable of driving safely;
         (4) under the influence of any other drug or combination of drugs to a degree that renders the person incapable of safely driving;
         (5) under the combined influence of alcohol, other drug or drugs, or intoxicating compound or compounds to a degree that renders the person incapable of safely driving; or
        (6) there is any amount of a drug, substance, or compound in the person's breath, blood, or urine resulting from the unlawful use or consumption of cannabis listed in the Cannabis Control Act, a controlled substance listed in the Illinois Controlled Substances Act, an intoxicating compound listed in the Use of Intoxicating Compounds Act, or methamphetamine as listed in the Methamphetamine Control and Community Protection Act.

Edited by Tango7, Yesterday, 11:51 AM.

[dorvinion]

Keep in mind that while you may be within the parameters of the law, having any alcohol in your system would cast you in a very bad light if you had to shoot in self defense.

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[Scots]

I agree, and I know what the law is and what the bill says. I thought part of the point here was to put together an FAQ that would be helpful to others. That's a question I always get asked. They want to know if they can take one sip without being illegal automatically.

AGAIN - I do not condone drinking while carrying, and IL Carry can say as much as well. It's about informing what the law says, which I thought was the point of the FAQ.


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