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[BillR]

The link below currently has about 15 minutes of Senate President Cullerton explaining his position.  After reading all the conjecture as to how he feels.., here is how he actually feels and what his plans are....., very clear.  Basically after you listen to it you will see he agrees with and supports "most" of the Bill "SB2193" approved in the house... including preemption as it relates to CCW... One law through out the state... NO local ability to change where we can carry.... no Chicago over-site, endorsement, etc.   He wants to change the Bar / Restaurant alcohol definition.... and he wants to allow local laws regarding guns... other than CCW, to still apply.  My .02 is if you give something... GET something in return.  When he changes Kuame's Bill into the Phelps/Madigan/Cullerton Bill remember, he is a politician... don't trust him for a second and never turn your back on him...

http://www.illinoiss...edemocrats.com/

[BobPistol]

Sensors indicate snakes slithering....

[Elderberry]

I just have trouble seeing a scenario where Madigan allows Cullerton into the sandbox.  I think he will reserve this as the Madigan bill and tell Cullerton that is the price he has to pay to get the pension reform bill -- to be known as the Cullerton bill....

But I sure do agree with that reptile reference above....

[snooter]

i think quinn is the cat tird in the sand box..quinn might want to think about supporting madigans bill and may be even turn a little pro gun...if quinn changes his gun views even slightly he might be able to stave off lisa in the primary

[BillR]

I would agree with you... but..., if Cullerton gives the order to vote BIG for it... and Madigan gives the order to vote BIG for it... Quinn is a toothless bump in the road.... nothing more.... veto over-ridden.
Really Mr Quinn is only good at "Vacations" under the title of business for Illinois" junkets"... on taxpayers dime.... and attending funerals for war dead.... Besides that worthless.

snooter, on 25 May 2013 - 05:53 PM, said:

i think quinn is the cat tird in the sand box..quinn might want to think about supporting madigans bill and may be even turn a little pro gun...if quinn changes his gun views even slightly he might be able to stave off lisa in the primary

Edited by BillR, Yesterday, 06:02 PM.

[azone5]

I thought he couldn't change/amend it, only vote on it????

[oldcaprice]

azone5, on 25 May 2013 - 06:56 PM, said:

I thought he couldn't change/amend it, only vote on it????

This bill can't be amended, but they could easily amend a house bill currently in the senate and then send that back to the house.

[cls74]

NO!

Enough has been compromised and given for both sides.


Chicago isn't special, they are flawed and gun control will not fix that. Current laws in effect already prove that point. Fix their judicial system if they want change. No more plea bargains, no more probation. Enforce the laws that are written for the criminals and no more implementing more laws on the innocent.

Edited by cls74, Yesterday, 07:30 PM.

[kingjames]

BillR, on 25 May 2013 - 05:33 PM, said:

.. NO local ability to change where we can carry.... and he wants to allow local laws regarding guns... other than CCW, to still apply.

This would be an absolute disaster.  You could carry in Cook/Chicago (maybe) but you (any Illinois resident) would to meet their other gun rules - e.g. mag capacity limits (10/12 now, maybe less in future), no threaded barrels, no laser accessories, transport rules (cased and not immediate accessable and broken down), big $ fines & jail time.  Residents still limited to rules for home storage, registration, CFP all on top of CCW fees.  And any other city could create any rules they want.  Once again, legal on one side of the street, illegal on the other.  Oh, you can get a CCW license, but good luck not getting busted on some other local gun law.

This would not be one law one state, it would be one state, hundreds of laws.  Once again, absolute disaster.

Edited by kingjames, Yesterday, 07:20 PM.

[Glennster1911]

madigan gets it done, Cullerton better get on board.

[snooter]

BillR, on 25 May 2013 - 05:59 PM, said:

I would agree with you... but..., if Cullerton gives the order to vote BIG for it... and Madigan gives the order to vote BIG for it... Quinn is a toothless bump in the road.... nothing more.... veto over-ridden.
Really Mr Quinn is only good at "Vacations" under the title of business for Illinois" junkets"... on taxpayers dime.... and attending funerals for war dead.... Besides that worthless.

snooter, on 25 May 2013 - 05:53 PM, said:

i think quinn is the cat tird in the sand box..quinn might want to think about supporting madigans bill and may be even turn a little pro gun...if quinn changes his gun views even slightly he might be able to stave off lisa in the primary

i can agree..but quinn has 1 big elephant..he only needs to win cook county and st clair county downstate..if he picks up cairo, ill so be it..he gets in again....what the deal is-is 2014 may produce repub gains and i think madigan knows it...this is not  a slam dunk yet...we will find out this week how the attitudes play out between the 3 (madigan, cullerton, quinn)..goin be a fun witch...my take-god speed

ps: raoul bill is DOA (883)..cullerton is in the corner and out of moves unless cullerton wants the cliff..quinn has a play left which may well determine cliff or post future political success...i dont really buy into this whole lisa sceniro...there is a bunch of people who just do not like her and may be more than dont like quinn (the old we know what we have with quinn)

ps..the whole play here is pension reform and that means unions

Edited by snooter, Yesterday, 08:21 PM.

[StreuB1]

If you stare hard enough, you can see his horns


He is a Bloomberg wanna-be

Edited by StreuB1, Yesterday, 08:19 PM.

[BillR]

Actually I am surprised he (Cullerton) agrees with the Phelps Madigan Bill at all...  The few things he disagrees with kind of indicates it may happen...BUT again... we will have to go through the motions when Quinn vetoes it... he is spineless and won't do anything good for us law abiding citizens.  In his previous life at CUB he was our advocate... now he is just over his head.  It is a prime example of the Peter Principal.

Edited by BillR, Yesterday, 08:28 PM.

[xd9subcompact]

Based upon the top post, Cullerton and Kwame are going to gut HB183 and replace the text in it's entirety with 95% of SB2193HA002. The other 5% is language that allows CFP, AWB, Mag limits to remain. They will kill SB2193 on Monday, then pass the new HB183 on Tuesday or Wednesday, ship it over to the house on Thursday, to leave the house to deal with it on Friday, which is the last day.

[TyGuy]

Which basically gives us the house bill we killed in mid-April right?

Oh well.  I am not gonna venture a guess.  I'll sit back and watch the biggest pissing match in recent Illinois history.

Edited by TyGuy, Yesterday, 10:35 PM.

[Grey Beret]

TyGuy, on 25 May 2013 - 10:34 PM, said:

Which basically gives us the house bill we killed in mid-April right?

Oh well.  I am not gonna venture a guess.  I'll sit back and watch the biggest pissing match in recent Illinois history.

Well, if that happens I sure hope we have the good sense to kill it again.  Irresistible force meet Immoveable object.

[TyGuy]

It's Madigan's choice then.  IDK what will happen.

[tom28]

i just bought some popcorn. will be enjoying the show.

[TyGuy]

tom28, on 25 May 2013 - 10:51 PM, said:

i just bought some popcorn. will be enjoying the show.

You can do our old family tradition of sprinkling M&Ms on top of the hot popcorn.  The chocolate melts inside the shell and the sweet with the salt is great.

[xd9subcompact]

At this time, the Senate leadership and it's puppet masters (Rahm and Co.) are probably thinking that passing nothing is the best result if they can't preserve the Cook and City BS, less the Shall issue part. I doubt they really care what happens downstate. Let 'em all kill each other if that's what they want, is probably the mindset. They think that June 9th Carry leaves them and their fiefdom intact for years to come. No need to get in a hurry and screw that part up.

[skinnyb82]

One problem.  Cullerton cannot change the bill.  He can vote it down and send Raoul's bill to the House where Madigan will have that thing gutted and amended, send back the bloody corpse that was Raoul's bill for another concurrence vote.  Is he that stupid?  No.

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[RockerXX]

xd9subcompact, on 25 May 2013 - 10:31 PM, said:

Based upon the top post, Cullerton and Kwame are going to gut HB183 and replace the text in it's entirety with 95% of SB2193HA002. The other 5% is language that allows CFP, AWB, Mag limits to remain. They will kill SB2193 on Monday, then pass the new HB183 on Tuesday or Wednesday, ship it over to the house on Thursday, to leave the house to deal with it on Friday, which is the last day.

If I was to guess, that is pretty much what I see being done...

skinnyb82, on 26 May 2013 - 12:16 AM, said:

One problem.  Cullerton cannot change the bill.  He can vote it down and send Raoul's bill to the House where Madigan will have that thing gutted and amended, send back the bloody corpse that was Raoul's bill for another concurrence vote.  Is he that stupid?  No.

Correction Cullerton can't amended SB2193 but he can plagiarize the wording with his changes and paste it into a gutted/amended HB183 and kick it back to the House where Madigan won't be able to gut or change the kicked back HB183, he gets the same yay/nay vote he sent Cullerton...  And we have a stand off, IMO Cullerton catches the media spotlight and lime light by saying he made a few minor tweaks to Madigan's bill accepting 95% of it but he put some 'save the children of Chicago' protections in place...  IMO this puts Madigan in a tough place, accept minor compromises to what is essentially his bill, or face the media egg on the face for not accepting a small compromise that 'protects the children' while letting 95% of his bill pass as he authored it...

It's a game of chicken now...

Edited by RockerXX, Today, 12:39 AM.

[skinnyb82]

Madigan wouldn't have done this if he wasn't already playing with loaded dice.

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