What's on your Wish List for Illinois CCW training?

[Mrs. Federal Farmer]

Hi, Colleen Lawson here -- Lawson Handgun Instruction will be offering ccw training for in and out of state residents. It looks like SB2193 is aimed at NRA handgun instructors being most qualified to provide the necessary training.

 

Since my certifications include those and more, I'd like to know what training you, personally, would like included in your course of ccw instruction ... what skills would you most like to work on?

 

Where would you like your firearm training focus to be, above and beyond what the state mandates?

 

Please let me know with the subject line via pm with the subject line WISH LIST. Be realistic in your reply, but hey ... have fun while you're at it! There are a lot of points I could address for you ...

[C0untZer0]

I'd like to be able to throw a 50 cent piece in the air and be able to shoot a hole in it.

[flw]

Edit: I misunderstood the question so I deleted my post.

[BobPistol]

How about counting range time I spent practicing as part of my 16 hours. I did this on my own.

 

I have a 12 visit pass which is punched and shows how often I went. Each punch is 1 hour of range time.

[tkroenlein]

I'd like to be able to throw a 50 cent piece in the air and be able to shoot a hole in it.

 

ROFL!

 

Personal opinion here, but one I hope most would agree with. Since we have had such a patchwork of gun laws in this state, and others are grossly misunderstood in general, I think a large portion could be dedicated to basic illinois UUW law, transportation w/w/o a permit, and use of force laws. I feel most Illinoisans have been negatively conditioned (understatement) to be afraid to exercise their 2A rights. I feel getting your head in the game is a prerequisite to firearms training given what will likely be a large firearms familiarity deficit. Then we can work on shooting through aerial currency (yuk yuk).

 

Summary: 8 hrs LAW, 8 hrs BASIC PISTOL/PPOTH, etc.

 

 

[papa]

How about counting range time I spent practicing as part of my 16 hours. I did this on my own.

 

I have a 12 visit pass which is punched and shows how often I went. Each punch is 1 hour of range time.

 

Yeah I hear they are going to let us old farts , that have been shooting for 45 years , do the same. <--- Should have been in purple.

 

I wanted to say I think this is a great idea Mrs. F. F. had.

[KingWalleye]

For those that have already met the first eight hours of training through whatever meets the criteria I would like to see the other eight dedicated to the legal aspects of ccw.

[Yas]

Finally resolve what's the best caliber to carry when going to the icecream parlor?

 

Colleen how about a few hours of defensive tactics?

[Ron]

Can either be live (expensive) or taped, but I would like to see a presentation done by a (very good) criminal defense attorney on how to handle oneself should that dreaded day occur where you are forced to use your firearm in a true self defense situation. (i.e., what to say/what not to say to authorities so it doesn't turn from a self defense situation into something a lot worse).

[Mrs. Federal Farmer]

I'd like to be able to throw a 50 cent piece in the air and be able to shoot a hole in it.

 

Wow, depending on your skill level, that'd be a great demonstration of a shooter's control, accuracy and perception, wouldn't it?

Course, it'd have to be worked up to

[Mrs. Federal Farmer]

Like a drivers license. the State provides the test and for a minimum fee, you get your license. A cost that is affordable to the lower income people that may need it most. The same cost as a drivers license.

 

Not a fee plus another fee for a class.

 

Sounds like what you're asking for is a change within the code, rather than a challenge within the course? If so, then I'm right there with you --- but while I work toward helping to bring that about, I figure the least I can do is allow some fun within the parameters of the class. At sixteen hours, there's room for a bit of that as well as a thorough coverage and review, and I kinda figure it's owed to folks who are being asked to pay so much after waiting so long.

 

While I can't meet the cost of a driver's license, I assure you that the Mr. FF and I remained as committed to affordability for all as we do to availability for all. Just be aware that I won't sacrifice quality for it. I'm just not that liberal

[Mrs. Federal Farmer]

How about counting range time I spent practicing as part of my 16 hours. I did this on my own.

 

I have a 12 visit pass which is punched and shows how often I went. Each punch is 1 hour of range time.

 

Ah, if only! There was a time I'd have wished this too ... until I found out how many hours of what I'd taught myself I had to UNteach myself once I started getting taught by someone else.

 

There are lots of you though, who are fully my betters in terms of having learned the right stuff in your range hours and having learned it long before I ever set my eye to a front sight ... and to you I say I'm glad strong minds prevailed at least enough to waive 8 hours ... so whatever fun or wished for skill I can add to what you repeat and review, well, I hope lets you have a few smiles.

[Mrs. Federal Farmer]

I'd like to be able to throw a 50 cent piece in the air and be able to shoot a hole in it.

 

ROFL!

 

Personal opinion here, but one I hope most would agree with. Since we have had such a patchwork of gun laws in this state, and others are grossly misunderstood in general, I think a large portion could be dedicated to basic illinois UUW law, transportation w/w/o a permit, and use of force laws. I feel most Illinoisans have been negatively conditioned (understatement) to be afraid to exercise their 2A rights. I feel getting your head in the game is a prerequisite to firearms training given what will likely be a large firearms familiarity deficit. Then we can work on shooting through aerial currency (yuk yuk).

 

Summary: 8 hrs LAW, 8 hrs BASIC PISTOL/PPOTH, etc.

 

And most of it will be, I fully concur! Along with the physical and emotional familiarity of mastering what each applicant will need to keep level-headed enough to remember those laws and trust himself to act with confidence in determining not only what to do in a potential lethal force confrontation ... but to determine, as well, when it's truly a moment that requires a gun. And when it's not.

 

And then, for some folks, it's aerial currency time. Did I get it right?

[oneshot]

Like a drivers license. the State provides the test and for a minimum fee, you get your license. A cost that is affordable to the lower income people that may need it most. The same cost as a drivers license.

 

Not a fee plus another fee for a class.

 

The test is provided, but the driver's education is either done at a public school, paid for out of public funds, or through private driver's ed companies.

[oneshot]

Firing under stress. Put your weapon on the shooting table, run, do push ups, etc. get the heart rate up and the hormones pumping, then shoot for accuracy! Put some competition into it with maybe a prize to get people motivated!

[Mrs. Federal Farmer]

How about counting range time I spent practicing as part of my 16 hours. I did this on my own.

 

I have a 12 visit pass which is punched and shows how often I went. Each punch is 1 hour of range time.

 

Yeah I hear they are going to let us old farts , that have been shooting for 45 years , do the same. <--- Should have been in purple.

 

I wanted to say I think this is a great idea Mrs. F. F. had.

 

No, for you guys, we're throwing up a 45 cent piece.

 

Although Mr. FF cautions me that 45-cent pieces don't exist anymore than the Illinois government's willingness to let you claim those hours ... and that 45 year shooters deserve bigger coins.

 

Respect . Thanks for the compliment.

[papa]

Mrs. FF , in the 70's I was shooting Squirrels out of trees with a Ruger single-six by making head shots. Today I can barely see the Squirrel at those same distances. Please don't make me shoot at a 45 cent piece because I am sure I couldn't see it.

[ryr8828]

I'd like to be able to throw a 50 cent piece in the air and be able to shoot a hole in it.

 

If you throw a washer in the air instead and just shoot through the existing hole it's easier to find. Those 50 cent pieces can go anywhere when shot.

[Indigo]

I'd like to be able to throw a washer 50 cent piece in the air and be able to shoot through the a hole in it.

 

Just like my hero James Garner's character in "Support Your Local Sheriff"

[Mrs. Federal Farmer]

For those that have already met the first eight hours of training through whatever meets the criteria I would like to see the other eight dedicated to the legal aspects of ccw.

 

The Lawson Handgun ccw courses will encompass the legal, moral and physical aspects of ccw in addition to firearm technique. LHI's aim will be to group students according to level so that we can add as much as possible to your knowledge vault.

 

Meaning that, depending on prior training, some folks will have more or less grounding in ccw or tactical than others, and my aim is to group you in such a way that you get to do more learning than lamenting.

[flw]

If I could add on one thing, it would be to safely draw from a holster. Not required for testing but for all our safety it would be a needed add on.

[RockerXX]

The test is provided, but the driver's education is either done at a public school, paid for out of public funds, or through private driver's ed companies.

 

No drivers ED needed if you are and adult over 18, it's only a requirement if you are a minor...

[Mrs. Federal Farmer]

Finally resolve what's the best caliber to carry when going to the icecream parlor?

 

Oh, I can answer that right now, Yas -- the best caliber is the one that fits your hand best, and that gives you the most confidence in your ability to stop the threat with the highest degree of safety, accuracy and efficiency.

 

In other words, it's not the one your SO buys you, nor the one your buddies recommend ... it's the one that lets your brain focus on the threat instead of the mechanics and makes your whole body say "yes" when you carry, draw and sight it

 

Colleen how about a few hours of defensive tactics?

 

Self defense has been the primary focus in all the training I've ever sought out; Initially, I was going to give you a specific answer ... but your request has sparked an interesting train of thought. Let me take a few minutes and see where that train is leading. Then I'll return and give you my answer.

 

Btw, thanks for this. I love moments when I get to see things in a new light -- inevitably, it leads me to see connections that I'd previously not, and those connections always somehow make things easier Easier is good: the less time you need to figure something out, the more concrete your proficiency at defensive tactics!

[Mrs. Federal Farmer]

If I could add on one thing, it would be to safely draw from a holster. Not required for testing but for all our safety it would be a needed add on.

 

Actually it's required for testing in my classes and not an add on. Why? Because it a) increases the safety of all and increases the student's confidence which c) increases the safety of all.

[Mrs. Federal Farmer]

Mrs. FF , in the 70's I was shooting Squirrels out of trees with a Ruger single-six by making head shots. Today I can barely see the Squirrel at those same distances. Please don't make me shoot at a 45 cent piece because I am sure I couldn't see it.

 

That's why Mr. FF said you deserve a bigger coin! See? We've been thinking of you all along!

[Mrs. Federal Farmer]

Firing under stress. Put your weapon on the shooting table, run, do push ups, etc. get the heart rate up and the hormones pumping, then shoot for accuracy! Put some competition into it with maybe a prize to get people motivated!

 

Already in there. Prizes and competition, too. After all, only a minimal number of your targets are going to be two-dimensional, remain where you put 'em, and give you unlimited time to make ready!

[flw]

If I could add on one thing, it would be to safely draw from a holster. Not required for testing but for all our safety it would be a needed add on.

 

Actually it's required for testing in my classes and not an add on. Why? Because it a) increases the safety of all and increases the student's confidence which c) increases the safety of all.

 

For those that intend to pocket carry, how is a student graded with passing or failing? Smoothness, speed, and or other? I ask because short of being smooth in the draw, I don't see how a instructor could grade a draw. Please educate me on the testing part.

[papa]

Mrs. FF , in the 70's I was shooting Squirrels out of trees with a Ruger single-six by making head shots. Today I can barely see the Squirrel at those same distances. Please don't make me shoot at a 45 cent piece because I am sure I couldn't see it.

 

That's why Mr. FF said you deserve a bigger coin! See? We've been thinking of you all along!

 

My thanks go out to you guys.

[Nic]

How are you going to determine the competency level of each individual? After going to several gun shows, it appears that 95% of gun owners think they are all Tier 1 SOF Assaulters or snipers.

[RockerXX]

Since the new proposed bill will require, the removal from concealed holster, the removal of the magazine, and the cambering of the live round out of the firearm before existing the vehicle, and the reverse of loading the firearm and placing it back in the holster again all while seated in the confides of a vehicle, there should be IMO a huge focus on doing those procedure inside the confides of a vehicle in the sitting position... IMO this clause of the bill is simply horrid and poses a huge risk to accidental discharges...

 

I can say in my Vette doing this will be NOTHING but a pain in the butt, there simply is not that much wiggle room in the seat, although doing it in my Hummer will be pretty darn easy... I'm also curious how this is going to be done on a motorcycle, I guess the entire process will have to be done while still straddling the seat, and I can only imagine the looks on peoples faces when you do this on a motorcycle in plain view...