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[Drylok]

TyGuy, on 24 May 2013 - 10:14 PM, said:

I think you mean Much Ado About Nothing.  It doesn't affect me.  I don't take public transport, but I can see this part leading to a surge in stolen firearms.

The bill states that you can't use the restroom at the train station to unload.  You have to do it in your car.  Either you try to do it in the car secretly or you do it outside your car, right next to it.  That will either freak people out or allow a criminal to see what you are doing.

How do YOU propose people that must use public transportation deal with it?

To not use public transport. How do YOU propose people rely on themselves instead of government?

[Skorpius]

Put it in a zip case or something, get out, and nobody will be any the wiser (unless a bogeyman IS staking out the lot). Better yet, my rear seats fold down to get to the trunk anyway. OR, break it down and take it with you enlcosed in a case in a bag.

[Skorpius]

Duplicate.

Edited by Skorpius, Yesterday, 11:05 PM.

[flw]

TyGuy, on 24 May 2013 - 10:46 PM, said:

Just search for part of it.  The 5 is a line number and could throw your search off.  Search for "public or private elementary" and see what happens.

That brings up one hit a follows:

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Section 65. Prohibited areas. 2 (a) A licensee under this Act shall not knowingly carry a 3 firearm on or into: 4 (1) Any building, real property, and parking area under 5 the control of a public or private elementary or secondary 6 school.

[TyGuy]

Sure, that would be nice, but 1.6 million rides a day on the CTA shows that the public transport ban is really going to hurt people.

Of course I should expect you to rally for the poor after your earlier comments:

Drylok, on 23 May 2013 - 03:04 PM, said:
And for you transit boys, buy a freaking car and drive yourself around or get the heck out of that damn city


Anyway, I've said my peace, you've said yours, I'll let others figure out the safe haven stuff.  I've provided the section, paragraph, and subsection location.

[vezpa]

Unload and put it in a small carry case before exiting the car and then toss it in the trunk.  Problem solved.  This isn't rocket science.


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Edited by vezpa, Today, 12:27 AM.

[Fuse]

for those having issues... here is the exact text.

"A licensee may carry a concealed firearm in the immediate area surrounding his or her vehicle within a prohibited parking lot area only for the limited purpose of storing or retrieving a firearm within the vehicle's trunk, provided the licensee ensures the concealed firearm is unloaded prior to exiting the vehicle. For purposes of this subsection, "case" includes a glove compartment or console that completely encloses the concealed firearm or ammunition, the trunk of the vehicle, or a firearm carrying box, shipping box, or other container."

This is specifically in reference to private property areas (see (a-10) just before this section) which is where the notification by signage is mentioned, and clarified in subsection (d). So if you go to a new place carrying, and see the sign, then walk back to your car, you may technically be in violation since you walked away from your vehicle to the door before seeing that it is a prohibited area - but I would be shocked if anyone gets in trouble for this.

Am I interpreting this correctly?

Edited by Fuse, Today, 12:34 AM.

[Elderberry]

Well THANKS a BUNCH youse guys....   Now I woke my wife up laughing out loud and she ain't real pleased...

Why was I laughing out loud at 2:15am...???

Well, right in the middle of reading this thread I just suddenly realized who some of you characters are starting to sound like....

Monique Davis, Mary Flowers, Ann Williams, Elaine Nekritz, and Persnickety all chanting in unison The Wild Wild West -- The Wild Wild West...

"Well, gee, if I'm on the way to my trunk and my phone rings and I answer it and I stop to have a cigarette and I have to step around a BIG pothole which forces me to move 2 feet 7.5 inches further away from the close proximity of my car while I try to get to my trunk to put my gun in there what is going to protect me from Gary McCarthy who will no doubt be spending his days lurking around parking lots trying to spot law abiding citizens that he can arrest and throw in jail"...

I don't know if you picked up on it today during the debate but the question was asked if someone taking Prozac for their nervous condition would prevent them from getting a concealed carry permit -- the answer was that it's all right for all Illinois Carry members to resume taking their meds...!!!

[cgs]

Davey, on 24 May 2013 - 07:17 PM, said:

It'll probably end up being one of things that willbe challenged in a law suit after someone gets pinched.

You beat me to it. I was going to say someone will have to get arrested to set case president and then we'll know.

[fubarud]

Is a solution for those worried about public transportation carry to use a fanny pack or a case of any kind? Would you go from carrying a gun to transporting it?

Edited by fubarud, Today, 06:26 AM.

[powderhead]

flw, on 24 May 2013 - 07:07 PM, said:

During the committee hearing Brandon Phelps used a phrase over and over, the phrase "Safe Harbor". Per Brandon, that is the area around your car, in a no carry zone, where you can be in or walk around to lockup your gun in the trunk.

The phrase is not in the bill, ever. During the hearing he described the concept in detail but lacked two critical details.

Detail one. How far from your car does this bubble of "Safe Harbor" go in feet? We don't want each LEO to have to figure it out for themselves or do we?

Detail two. How much time does one have to get to the trunck and disarm one self? Does each LEO have to guess what is reasonable? I hope not.

These may seem like petty details but when the first guy stops to have a cigarette or suddenly gets a phone call that interrupt this process, it will make all the difference between two different outcomes.

I don't care about the amount of time or distance but I do want to know what it is before the bill is passed into law..

I can see this as being one of the many topics that will take up a portion of the required 16 hours of training.

[vess1]

My solution for criminals not seeing you take it off and put it away was going to be tinted windows.    But alas, they are banned in Chicago too... you guys just cant win.

  The idea of disarming all the time for off limit places is very poorly conceived.  They think theyre keeping people safer but there is no safer place for the gun to be than ON somebody IN their holster.  

  Taking them in and out will probably lead to accidents from people who dont train with a holster which will lead to bad publicity.
      At the END of our two day course with fortress defense, for safety, they had instructors come up to the line, check and remove our guns and put them in the cases.  This is after we had been drawing and carrying locked and loaded guns for two days.  
  I also agree gun thefts will go up over this.  Theyre all worried about cutting down on stolen guns and theyre going to create more stolen guns.  Pure stupidity.

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[TyGuy]

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[cgs]

fubarud, on 25 May 2013 - 06:17 AM, said:

Is a solution for those worried about public transportation carry to use a fanny pack or a case of any kind? Would you go from carrying a gun to transporting it?

That I beelive is what was suggested during the debates on the house floor. The firearm would have to be "broken down and stored separate from the ammunition."   Then after further debate I recall Phelps suggesting "this would have to be done before entering onto transportation controlled or owned property."  My take away is that you may carry up until the train station, but you better go across the street to the mcdonalds bathroom and break down and case your weapon then may proceed to the train.

[fubarud]

Broken down or unloaded? We can transport a gun now without having to break it down.

[moon]

flw, on 24 May 2013 - 07:07 PM, said:

Detail one. How far from your car does this bubble of "Safe Harbor" go in feet? We don't want each LEO to have to figure it out for themselves or do we?

Probably 1-3 feet.  I think the purpose of this harbor is to get from inside your car to to your trunk (if you have to exit your car).  I'm sure it can't be more than a few feet....otherwise you would be carrying in the prohibited areas.

Edited by moon, Today, 07:56 AM.

[Satatic]

Why don't they just change the language to "near"?  I think that would really help us out.

[TyGuy]

It does.  It says in the immediate area.

Read the language of the bill.  Section 65 Paragraph b

[mostholycerebus]

cgs, on 25 May 2013 - 05:31 AM, said:

You beat me to it. I was going to say someone will have to get arrested to set case president and then we'll know.

Someone with the money and intestinal fortitude to fight it.  Unless NRA backs them, but they have national-ban fish to fry first.

[jobes]

With your vehicle being a safe harbor would it be legal then to have a dash holster like this when occupied?

(not my rig ref only)

[flw]

I just want to know how many feet and for how much time?

To me its so obvious to be missing critical text,  that could clear up future arrests right now. Why do we always have to wait for some  unfortunate person to get arrested, defend themselves ($$$$$$) in court and then find out what is acceptable or not.

[TyGuy]

"Immediate vicinity".

[Indigo]

Dave D, on 24 May 2013 - 07:18 PM, said:

Its all going to boil down to the leo that has it out for you. Period.

You say petty details, the lawyers (and reps) call it splitting hairs...

Thats what lawyers do....

I thought that was picking fly poop out of pepper!  Seriously though, when you need a lawyer, they're good to have around.  Like a fire extinguisher.