46 replies to this topic

[TyGuy]

Is Cullerton FORCED to take a concurrence vote if SB2193 passes the House?  Could he just sit on it.  Wait for FOID carry and go the home rule route?

[tkroenlein]

I had a brief email exchange with one of those downstate R's this evening. He's taking the deal.

[TFC]

It would be interesting to find out why 997 is no longer an option.
Forgive my skepticism, and my inability to accept silence as a response but it's no more acceptable than "because we said so." Those only work for an 8 year old. And please note, this bill solidifies my prediction (the red text in my signature.

[karim18]

TFC, not sure why anyone is saying that... the language of 997 seemz like it could be sold as a compromise bill considering the choices available at the moment.

[Molly B.]

Madigan has taken 997 off the table.  He will not allow it to come to the floor for another vote.  The bills have been narrowed down to Kwame Raoul's may-issue/home rule bill and Phelps shall-issue/statewide preemption on all gun laws bill.  No cliff. One bill or the other.

[Bud]

Molly's 100% right. When 2193 passes the House tomorrow, we need to goto work on every single Senator.

This time, it's our turn

[ryr8828]

Bud, on 24 May 2013 - 03:58 AM, said:

Molly's 100% right. When 2193 passes the House tomorrow, we need to goto work on every single Senator.

This time, it's our turn

Do you mean today?

[sirflyguy]

Molly B., on 24 May 2013 - 12:47 AM, said:

Madigan has taken 997 off the table.  He will not allow it to come to the floor for another vote.  The bills have been narrowed down to Kwame Raoul's may-issue/home rule bill and Phelps shall-issue/statewide preemption on all gun laws bill.  No cliff. One bill or the other.

I really don't know what is so hard about this to understand.  We can gripe and complain about it all we want, but it will not change the facts.  We have to continue fighting on all the fronts and make it better.  Thanks, Molly, for keeping your coo and being patientl!

[Jim Smyth]

Bud, on 24 May 2013 - 03:58 AM, said:

Molly's 100% right. When 2193 passes the House tomorrow, we need to goto work on every single Senator.

This time, it's our turn

So since it passed the Senate already, once it passes the house it has to go back to the Senate to just sign off on the House Amendments then? Then off to Quinn?

[patriot1776]

I think this is a ploy by Madigan to get his pension bill passed.  They including Cullerton push through his pension bill and he relents on CCW. Oh the gamesmanship being played .
I said a couple weeks ago , things would all come down to the wire in Springfield and it would be the show of shows . Remember all the world is a stage and we are merely players .

[TTIN]

colt-45, on 23 May 2013 - 09:38 PM, said:

we will not go off the cliff and i see all the rep voting for it and almost all dems voting for it. Madigan is going to give it to Phelps.

Unfortunately,I am thinking the same thing.

[Talonap]

TFC, on 24 May 2013 - 12:28 AM, said:

It would be interesting to find out why 997 is no longer an option.
Forgive my skepticism, and my inability to accept silence as a response but it's no more acceptable than "because we said so." Those only work for an 8 year old. And please note, this bill solidifies my prediction (the red text in my signature.

So why do some people think that Chicago and Cook have been "Sold Out"? (As in your signature)

Edited by Talonap, Today, 06:29 AM.

[Molly B.]

Talonap, on 24 May 2013 - 06:28 AM, said:

So why do some people think that Chicago and Cook have been "Sold Out"? (As in your signature)

I cannot fathom why, other than the mass transit thing.  I have spoken to several key figures in Illinois judicial history who live in Chicago.  They are ecstatic about this bill.

[TyGuy]

Molly B., on 24 May 2013 - 06:52 AM, said:

I cannot fathom why, other than the mass transit thing.  I have spoken to several key figures in Illinois judicial history who live in Chicago.  They are ecstatic about this bill.

Well dang, that makes me feel better.  Molly just read between the lines for us.

Edited by TyGuy, Today, 06:59 AM.

[ca22151]

Molly B., on 24 May 2013 - 12:47 AM, said:

Madigan has taken 997 off the table.  He will not allow it to come to the floor for another vote.  The bills have been narrowed down to Kwame Raoul's may-issue/home rule bill and Phelps shall-issue/statewide preemption on all gun laws bill.  No cliff. One bill or the other.

Molly's right.  

And the thing is, the issue of concealed carry is, if not actually a side issue to Madigan, at this point it is more of a vehicle allowing Madigan to display good old fashioned political muscle. I don't think Madigan has much personal committment to any version of a concealed carry bill.  Instead, if Lisa is running, as everyone seems to think, theres no better way to let everyone know who has the power than to pull votes from the preferred bill (HB997), then crush a bill in the other chamber, (Kwame), then re-write a major piece of this hotly contested legislation over night, smother dissent from the original drafters, then guarantee 80+ votes, a total which must include a number of representatives who would rather slam their fingers in a drawer than vote in favor of the bill.  On top of that, he is essentially guaranteeing a veto proof vote in the Senate.  

The last few days have been an historic display of political power.  A civics lesson viewed up close, if you will.

Edited by ca22151, Today, 07:09 AM.

[BillR]

Jim, I don't believe it has been voted on and passed in the Senate as you say....  In order to become law... House. Senate... then Quinn... If Quinn vetoes... then back to the House and Senate for override vote.... then law.

Jim Smyth, on 24 May 2013 - 05:49 AM, said:

Bud, on 24 May 2013 - 03:58 AM, said:

Molly's 100% right. When 2193 passes the House tomorrow, we need to goto work on every single Senator.

This time, it's our turn

So since it passed the Senate already, once it passes the house it has to go back to the Senate to just sign off on the House Amendments then? Then off to Quinn?

[BigJim]

Molly B., on 24 May 2013 - 06:52 AM, said:

Talonap, on 24 May 2013 - 06:28 AM, said:

So why do some people think that Chicago and Cook have been "Sold Out"? (As in your signature)

I cannot fathom why, other than the mass transit thing.  I have spoken to several key figures in Illinois judicial history who live in Chicago.  They are ecstatic about this bill.

Its not just Chicago, its all 6 of the northeast counties that have been sold out and it is the mass transit thing.  Without the mass transit thing those of us in the 6 counties that ride Metra/Pace/CTA to and from work can not carry Monday to Friday other then if we go out in the evening.  For those that don't own cars and depend on the RTA (like a coworker of mine) he can't go anywhere while carrying.