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[BrowningHP]

Bud, on 22 May 2013 - 05:32 PM, said:

I can see a lot of very fractured alliances here. A lot of you are letting your emotions control your thoughts and you need to remember once you put something out it is very hard to retract it.
And there is huge big group of you are rewading things in the bill that aren't there or you are glossing over what is actyually in it

agreed Bud

[TyGuy]

Bud, on 22 May 2013 - 05:32 PM, said:

I can see a lot of very fractured alliances here. A lot of you are letting your emotions control your thoughts and you need to remember once you put something out it is very hard to retract it.
And there is huge big group of you are rewading things in the bill that aren't there or you are glossing over what is actyually in it

Maybe others, but point out my illogical points.

[ajduenas1]

we are never going to win until we get politicians not tyrants that work for the people lets start educating people and showing them the rights they are being stripped of without knowing and vote the right people in I was a democrat that thought firearms were the evil but once i educated myself I was wrong all along !

[RockerXX]

xd9subcompact, on 22 May 2013 - 05:29 PM, said:

Are we supposed to believe that this bill, if passed in the house, is supposed to make it through the senate with no amendments?, We are supposed to believe that the bill will pass the house, go over to the senate and NOT come back over to the house with the AWB and mag bans that we thought were evaporating?

Yep, we gave them an mile, and they will take the next few miles just wait for the amendments, and the next "This is what you get, take it or leave it round"

[kk5]

RockerXX, on 22 May 2013 - 05:33 PM, said:

xd9subcompact, on 22 May 2013 - 05:29 PM, said:

Are we supposed to believe that this bill, if passed in the house, is supposed to make it through the senate with no amendments?, We are supposed to believe that the bill will pass the house, go over to the senate and NOT come back over to the house with the AWB and mag bans that we thought were evaporating?

Yep, we gave them an mile, and they will take the next few miles just wait for the amendments, and the next "This is what you get, take it or leave it round"

+1

[TFC]

They must think that we're stupid.
This is a backdoor ban on carry in Chicago and Cook county.
I WON'T SUPPORT THIS.

[Jim Smyth]

thornstein, on 22 May 2013 - 05:03 PM, said:

CHICAGO HANDGUN OWNER, on 22 May 2013 - 04:59 PM, said:

What's with all this Chicago hatred? I live in Chicago and I've been a gun owner for 28 years. I don't support all the Liberal politicians here. Not everyone in this city is a gun hating liberal.

But you choose to live there.  Guilt by association I guess.

The Chicago guys that are here are the good guys. Its just there out numbered 1000 to 1 with Chicago voting Democrats that get free stuff in the city hand out programs.

[Jay6]

Bud, on 22 May 2013 - 05:11 PM, said:

Jay6, on 22 May 2013 - 05:09 PM, said:

I am calling my reps and telling them to vote NO.  by the way everyone is talking its going to pass anyway. I will watch carefully and cast my vote at election time accordingly. I will campaign against anyone who does not represent my views,,,,,,simple as that.

and how has that been working for you in the past?

  Its not the definition of insanity quite yet but it beats complaining and getting caught up in the emotion of it all.(oh and its the right thing to do in my opinion). whats the diff-?  who has ammo to qualify with anyways?(sounds like alot of shooting)..

[kk5]

Jim Smyth, on 22 May 2013 - 05:37 PM, said:

thornstein, on 22 May 2013 - 05:03 PM, said:

CHICAGO HANDGUN OWNER, on 22 May 2013 - 04:59 PM, said:

What's with all this Chicago hatred? I live in Chicago and I've been a gun owner for 28 years. I don't support all the Liberal politicians here. Not everyone in this city is a gun hating liberal.

But you choose to live there.  Guilt by association I guess.

The Chicago guys that are here are the good guys. Its just there out numbered 1000 to 1 with Chicago voting Democrats that get free stuff in the city hand out programs.

+100

[skinnyb82]

The part about the arrest will be declared unconstitutional if challenged in court.  They cannot deny a right (so says CA7) because of multiple arrests.  I know a lot of people who've been arrested 5 times and never had a formal criminal complaint filed.  It happens in college towns a lot.

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[skinnyb82]

TFC, on 22 May 2013 - 05:36 PM, said:

They must think that we're stupid.
This is a backdoor ban on carry in Chicago and Cook county.
I WON'T SUPPORT THIS.

You can have 183 then.  The way I understand it, its this or 183 so...16 or 40 hours?  Permit or no permit?  I hate to say it but its like being given the choice of being stabbed in the foot or shot in the knee.

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[mobrules]

vezpa, on 22 May 2013 - 05:29 PM, said:

mobrules, on 22 May 2013 - 05:23 PM, said:

No matter what happens with this I just want to say Thank You to Todd and Molly.  I never in my life thought we would even get this far.

We haven't gotten anywhere.  You are acting like this passed..............
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Nope, just not willing to pass judgement until I have read it a few times.  I didnt share an opinion one way or another.  I just appreciate the hard work.

[Molly B.]

TyGuy, on 22 May 2013 - 04:34 PM, said:

milq, on 22 May 2013 - 04:31 PM, said:

It seems like a lot of money...a single mom on a fixed income will simply have to go without protection. Heck, its going to be a stretch for me to afford it as written and I have a good job. Sounds like a violation of equal protection.

My 2cents is that several items need fixed here.

While money is a concern to me (I can afford it, but I care about EVERYONE affording it) it's not a deal breaker.  Anyone can save a little here and there and eventually scrape together the funds.  No one can legally carry in a banned location.

Public transportation and restaurant carry need to be fixed.

We have restaurant carry.

[kk5]

skinnyb82, on 22 May 2013 - 05:41 PM, said:

TFC, on 22 May 2013 - 05:36 PM, said:

They must think that we're stupid.
This is a backdoor ban on carry in Chicago and Cook county.
I WON'T SUPPORT THIS.

You can have 183 then.  The way I understand it, its this or 183 so...16 or 40 hours?  Permit or no permit?  I hate to say it but its like being given the choice of being stabbed in the foot or shot in the knee.

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isn't that the truth

[TyGuy]

skinnyb82, on 22 May 2013 - 05:41 PM, said:

TFC, on 22 May 2013 - 05:36 PM, said:

They must think that we're stupid.
This is a backdoor ban on carry in Chicago and Cook county.
I WON'T SUPPORT THIS.

You can have 183 then.  The way I understand it, its this or 183 so...16 or 40 hours?  Permit or no permit?  I hate to say it but its like being given the choice of being stabbed in the foot or shot in the knee.

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Or FOID carry.  It's not done until it's done, and we should all remember that a law passed today can be struck down tomorrow....well later anyway.  It's not an either or folks.

[TFC]

Bud, on 22 May 2013 - 05:26 PM, said:

The citizens of Chicago, once a concealed carry bill is passed, will demand that the restriction on public trans to be lifted

The politicians of chicago stopped listening to the citizens when the second Daley got elected.
That's very naive, Bud.

Edited by TFC, Today, 05:43 PM.

[mstrat]

And to those of you saying that this is better than a may issue, I say no.

If the state bans me from carrying because I take the train, my lawsuit against it is much weaker because a case can be made that it's my choice.

With a may issue bill and cook county categorically denying everyone, a civil rights suit is still on the table.

[TyGuy]

Molly B., on 22 May 2013 - 05:42 PM, said:

TyGuy, on 22 May 2013 - 04:34 PM, said:

milq, on 22 May 2013 - 04:31 PM, said:

It seems like a lot of money...a single mom on a fixed income will simply have to go without protection. Heck, its going to be a stretch for me to afford it as written and I have a good job. Sounds like a violation of equal protection.

My 2cents is that several items need fixed here.

While money is a concern to me (I can afford it, but I care about EVERYONE affording it) it's not a deal breaker.  Anyone can save a little here and there and eventually scrape together the funds.  No one can legally carry in a banned location.

Public transportation and restaurant carry need to be fixed.

We have restaurant carry.

Will IllinoisCarry be compiling and updating a list of which restaurant are ok then?  I am not going to ask every restaurant with liquor for the last 3 months of receipts every time I go out to eat.

Will you?  This is the part that is ridiculous.  Fix this and fix public transportation and I will hold my nose and support this bill.

[cm.stites]

snubjob, on 22 May 2013 - 05:22 PM, said:

Grey Beret, on 22 May 2013 - 05:15 PM, said:

Federal Farmer, on 22 May 2013 - 05:10 PM, said:

So many seem to be willing to toss the good in preference for the mythical perfect.  This is the thinking that got us stuck with Quinn.  People just had to stand on principle and vote for someone who couldn't win the Rep. primary much less the general election and that cost Dillard the nomination.  I'm certain Dillard would have beaten Quinn.  How cool would it be to have a Governor that would happily sign our pro-gun bills?

I also see a lot of big talk about voting people out...lol.  Sadly, it's almost impossible to get more than a handful of people on this forum to actually do the hard work it takes to win an election on any level in Illinois.  You can't win this fight behind the keyboard.  No offense to those that can only contribute from behind the keyboard.

You do not know what many of us do or have done so don't start with that "keyboard warrior" thing.  I admit that I am only known in one county, but I didn't become known by just sitting at a keyboard and I don't like the implication that all the members here that disagree with you are "keyboard warriors".

Agreed, and very well said.

Apparently some of you dont realize who federal and mrs farmer are and what they have actually done for the city of chicago..Remember that handgun ban chicago had??  thank federal and his wife and a couple others for getting that over turned...so when they mention stuff about chicago they pretty well know what its about or whats involved.

[XtremeRevolution]

By far the biggest issue I have with this is the 16 hours of training requirement, the cost of the license, and the associated cost of training. Put together, including what my vacation time is worth (which I don't really get that much of), I'm looking at well over $1000 to exercise my legal right to carry a firearm.

Someone, please, I beg you, explain to me how this isn't pure bull****.

[xd9subcompact]

Section 25. Qualifications for a license.
The Department shall issue a license to an applicant completing an application in accordance with Section 30 of this Act if the person:
(1) is at least 21 years of age;
(2) has a currently valid Firearm Owner's Identification Card, or meets the requirements for the issuance of a Firearm Owner's Identification Card and is not prohibited under the Firearm Owners Identification Card Act or federal law from possessing or receiving a firearm;
(3) has not been convicted or found guilty in this State or in any other state of:
(A) a misdemeanor involving the use or threat of physical force or violence to any person within the 5 years preceding the date of the license application; or
( 2 or more violations related to driving while under the influence of alcohol, other drug or drugs, intoxicating compound or compounds, or any combination thereof, within the 5 years preceding the date of the license application; and
(4) is not the subject of a pending arrest warrant, prosecution, or proceeding for an offense or action that could lead to disqualification to own or possess a firearm;
(5) has not been in residential or court-ordered treatment for alcoholism, alcohol detoxification, or drug treatment within the 5 years immediately preceding the date of the license application; and
(6) has completed firearms training and any education component required under Section 75 of this Act.

What is the point of a law enforcement objection or an arrest record? Looks like all this does is delay, delay, delay.

[skinnyb82]

Does anyone seriously believe Madigan will allow FOID carry?  Allow...and I mean that in the full sense.  He will not as that will put Lisa in a HUGE pickle.  Take it to SCOTUS and lose, goodbye Gov. Mansion.  Not do anything?  We all knew court carry would never be permitted.

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