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[Molly B.]

WARNING to all posting members.  We are having a high rate of posters trying to skirt the profanity filters.  We are very serious about maintaining a family-rated site as so specified in our Code of Conduct to which you all agreed to abide by when registering as posting members.

Please do not try to skirt the filters with fancy spelling or symbols.
Please spell Chicago correctly.
Please avoid the acronyms for profanity such as WTF and so on - It all means the same thing.


Clean it up, please.

[Burtonrider10022]

Oppressing our 1st on a website about preserving our 2nd.  Oh the irony.





I kid, I kid.

[bmyers]

Well, I have to agree with Molly, we can express ourselves without being offensive. Last I checked, this is a private forum opened to the public that is willing to register and agree to the user policy. Being a little old fashioned, but my dad and grandpa raised me that if I agreed to do something, then I do it. If you don't plan or want to do it, then don't agree to it.

[BackForward]

Burtonrider10022, on 09 May 2013 - 02:36 AM, said:

Oppressing our 1st on a website about preserving our 2nd.  Oh the irony.





I kid, I kid.

X2

[POAT54]

"The Supreme Court has never interpreted freedom of speech to include obscenity, which is generally considered to fall outside the protection of the First Amendment."
That said, posting on this Board is a privilege, not a right. And if I recall we all agreed to the rules when we signed up.

I apologize for any time I may have stepped on or over the line.

[Brad O.]

POAT54, on 09 May 2013 - 09:55 AM, said:

"The Supreme Court has never interpreted freedom of speech to include obscenity, which is generally considered to fall outside the protection of the First Amendment."
That said, posting on this Board is a privilege, not a right. And if I recall we all agreed to the rules when we signed up.

I apologize for any time I may have stepped on or over the line.

Personaly, I think obscenity should be protected speech.

But  freedom of the press means he who owns the printing press gets to decide what is printed. That's why the FCC has no control over subscription services and why whome ever owns Illinoiscarry.com can make up whatever rules they want.

[pyre400]

Bad words can get the site blacklisted on google and many corporate proxy filters.  It seems trivial, but if people cant find the site, the cause can suffer.  Anyone know how to get a site off of a blacklist?  Its all but impossible.

Add to this that our mods are often actively involved in the legislation process.  So if they're cleaning your poopy language, they're not working on other things that will have a greater impact.

So it seems like a trivial nit-pick to the offender, and I can appreciate the humor, but try to keep things in perspective.  Nobody cares what kind of language you use in your house, and the site staff is not trying to oppress your 1st amendment rights.  Its a private forum, with a mission, and the foul language is an interference.

FWIW - I happen to enjoy extensive use of "colorful" language - my father had created curse phrases that, some would argue, rival the words of Shakespeare.
So I'm not only an enforcer, I'm also an offender...  In short, this policy burdens many, but its something worth enforcing.  Everyone's  continued help with this matter is appreciated.

[richp]

Hi,

Think of IllinoisCarry as a brand -- a brand that has value. That value translates into effectiveness in achieving our goals.

Part of that value comes from reputation. And part of that reputation comes from the conduct of IC members and supporters -- in both public and private. That's why the moderators here have a legitimate concern about some types of content.

Look at it this way. If a known member here were to be arrested for some outrageous conduct -- or even conduct that could artificially be inflated into outrageousness -- you can be sure it would be used against the organization. Likewise, if members and contributors here portray themselves as rude, crude dudes, the IC "brand" can be tarnished or even severely damaged. Examples from our own posts can and will be used against, not us as individuals, but the cause we're all trying to advance.

This isn't to say we can't show our personalities in our posts, or have fun when it's appropriate. But as a group, it's in our best interest to set and maintain high standards for ourselves. It's a policy that will pay dividends in the end.

At least that's the way I see it...

Rich Phillips

[Beezil]

for those of you who aren't "kidding" about playing the first ammendment card....

simple....this is a private forum. You are in Illinois Carry's livingroom.

IC's conduct rules do not prevent you from walking to your nearest street corner, where you are free to excersize your 1st ammendment rights by yelling profanity at the top of your lungs until law enforcement reminds you that you are disturbing the peace.

Edited by Beezil, 09 May 2013 - 12:31 PM.

[Tompo]

Freedom of speech/first amendment only protects you from THE GOVERNMENT preventing you from saying whatever you want.  This forum is a private entity. Just like your boss/job can prevent you from saying certain things.....same thing on this forum.

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[Brigg]

richp, on 09 May 2013 - 12:24 PM, said:

Hi,

Think of IllinoisCarry as a brand -- a brand that has value. That value translates into effectiveness in achieving our goals.

Part of that value comes from reputation. And part of that reputation comes from the conduct of IC members and supporters -- in both public and private. That's why the moderators here have a legitimate concern about some types of content.

Look at it this way. If a known member here were to be arrested for some outrageous conduct -- or even conduct that could artificially be inflated into outrageousness -- you can be sure it would be used against the organization. Likewise, if members and contributors here portray themselves as rude, crude dudes, the IC "brand" can be tarnished or even severely damaged. Examples from our own posts can and will be used against, not us as individuals, but the cause we're all trying to advance.

This isn't to say we can't show our personalities in our posts, or have fun when it's appropriate. But as a group, it's in our best interest to set and maintain high standards for ourselves. It's a policy that will pay dividends in the end.

At least that's the way I see it...

Rich Phillips

Rich,
Thank you for summing up what I have been feeling for months, regarding "our" (Pro 2A Populous) "Brand".  I have failed to articulate my thoughts and feelings regarding this issue, but I every time I hear some Left thinking "liberal" portray any pro 2A enthusiast as some red-neckish, bumpkin that eats road-kill by choice rather than out of necessity, I feel like screaming.  I know that in general those portrayals, are meant to me divisive and I should not pay them any attention.  It may not mean much in the end, but I know that I personally have had occasion where I was in a learning environment, where the instructor did more to perpetuate that red-neckish stereotype than to not...and at the time I felt sort of disappointed.   I don't mean to sound judgmental or harsh...but we all know that our culture...we as whoever we are, joined in the common belief that our right to bear arms shall not be infringed...come from all walks of life and levels of society, NOT just the one that liberals love to shoe-horn us all into...could benefit from an effort to improve our overall "brand".  Just my $.02.
Cheers,
Brigg

Edited by Brigg, 09 May 2013 - 12:51 PM.

[sirflyguy]

Their house, their rules.  They are good rules, actually.  Show some class and watch your language.

[wazzle]

Beezil, on 09 May 2013 - 12:30 PM, said:

for those of you who aren't "kidding" about playing the first ammendment card....

simple....this is a private forum. You are in Illinois Carry's livingroom.

IC's conduct rules do not prevent you from walking to your nearest street corner, where you are free to excersize your 1st ammendment rights by yelling profanity at the top of your lungs until law enforcement reminds you that you are disturbing the peace.

Just don't wear an Illinois Carry shirt or sweatshirt when you decide to do this.

[Drylok]

Tompo, on 09 May 2013 - 12:38 PM, said:

Freedom of speech/first amendment only protects you from THE GOVERNMENT preventing you from saying whatever you want.  This forum is a private entity. Just like your boss/job can prevent you from saying certain things.....same thing on this forum.

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Did you feel the ground shake just then? I agree with you on something

[TyGuy]

What about frak, frel, and gorram?

[kevinmcc]

sirflyguy, on 09 May 2013 - 12:55 PM, said:

Their house, their rules.  They are good rules, actually.  Show some class and watch your language.

I really hate home rule, gets in the way of real progress.

[Tompo]

Drylok, on 14 May 2013 - 11:46 AM, said:

Tompo, on 09 May 2013 - 12:38 PM, said:

Freedom of speech/first amendment only protects you from THE GOVERNMENT preventing you from saying whatever you want.  This forum is a private entity. Just like your boss/job can prevent you from saying certain things.....same thing on this forum.

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Did you feel the ground shake just then? I agree with you on something

Stick around, they're all gems.

[Brad O.]

Yea, it shook over here, too

To be clear it was just the Federal Government, then the First Amendment was incorporated against the states. But I'm unclear as to wether it extends down to the local level. I'd guess it doesn't. I think local ordinances can still set "comunity standards" and whatnot.

Anyone know?

[Indigo]

TyGuy, on 14 May 2013 - 12:04 PM, said:

What about frak, frel, and gorram?

More evasion.  Just reveals your poverty of imagination.  I once knew a USMC Sergeant Major who could chew you out for 10 minutes without repeating himself OR using profanity.  

[TyGuy]

It's not my invention they are from Battlestar Galactica, Farscape, and Firefly respectively.

[F12Mahon]

So is calling someone the southern end of a northbound horse masked profanity or mere uncivilized behavior? :~)

Eugene

[BigJim]

Can we say "bovine fecal matter"?

[Indigo]

TyGuy, on 15 May 2013 - 07:33 AM, said:

It's not my invention they are from Battlestar Galactica, Farscape, and Firefly respectively.

Oh, so it's FCC Approved evasion?

[Brad O.]

Ok, while i generally agree with those wanting to keep cussing to a minum (I don't like it when people say the f word right and left) and as I pointed out its Illinois.com's house,  their rules, the idea that any use of profanity is always indicative of a lack of immagination isn't true, and the use of invented cuss words violates the spirit of keeping it cllean, I also don't like it when people take it to the other extreem. It would appear some people would like everyone to live their life by the Hays Code.  

Can I say the "dang barn cat is pregnant again" without someone thinking the devil has taken over my body?

Edited by Brad O., Yesterday, 08:58 AM.

[Buzzard]

Reminds me of a biker I know that can't get through one sentence without lacing it up with profanity. He was once asked to be the master of ceremony at a  Libertarian fundraiser. I told several people, "I wonder if the person that asked him to MC their gig - has ever heard the man speak before??"

Oh! How I would have loved to attended that event!! I can just see him up there at the microphone - and jaws dropping as he opens the program!"

[Indigo]

Brad O., on 17 May 2013 - 08:53 AM, said:

Ok, while i generally agree with those wanting to keep cussing to a minum (I don't like it when people say the f word right and left) and as I pointed out its Illinois.com's house,  their rules, the idea that any use of profanity is always indicative of a lack of immagination isn't true, and the use of invented cuss words violates the spirit of keeping it cllean, I also don't like it when people take it to the other extreem. It would appear some people would like everyone to live their life by the Hays Code.  

Can I say the "dang barn cat is pregnant again" without someone thinking the devil has taken over my body?

Looks like we're going to have the have the Pastor come out and pray over you!

[Talonap]

Reminds me of the Navy. Always wondered in the mess hall, when somone asked for the salt shaker, how salt ever managed to fornicate.