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[lieut89]

[vezpa]

C0untZer0, on 11 May 2013 - 05:55 AM, said:

Goodman's take on the Raoul "compromise" bill is that the anti-gun politicians in Illinois are capitulating.

I got this from him yesterday:

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C0untZer0,

The Illinois Senate is on the verge of passing a very bad bill that would authorize concealed carry.

At first, we were told that the bill would include greater protections for people in Cook County than in the rest of the state. Now, we have learned that only Chicago, not suburban Cook County, will be protected.

Please phone and email your state senator immediately and make it clear that you oppose any bill that would legalize concealed carry. The “compromises” that we are being offered are really capitulations. The majority of the people in Illinois do not want concealed carry, and we don't have to make it legal. The federal court's decision that threw out Illinois' law can still be appealed. Now is not the time to cave in to the NRA.

Make sure your senator understands that we have a very clear message: STOP concealed carry. You can find your state senator's contact information at www.StopConcealedCarry.org

Thank you,
Lee Goodman, for the Coalition

PS: For Mothers' Day, like https://www.facebook...tMomsReallyWant on Facebook.

As far as I can tell, the Facebook page was created by Lee Goodman.

I'm all for Lee Goodman killing all bills but 997.
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Edited by vezpa, 11 May 2013 - 06:54 AM.

[stm]

"Chicken Little" Goodman really needs to get out a little bit. The impending blood bath he is predicting has happened in... let me see... NO OTHER STATE. It seems the only blood bath we read about in the news is in Chicago.

It's curious that he seems to be willing to throw the rest of the state "under the bus" to keep Cook County free of those evil deadly concealed guns.

[cm.stites]

least goodmans gonna help us to kill that bill when his 12 supporters call... hahaha

[skinnyb82]

The title of this thread should've been "What is up Lee Goodman's...." heh.  Seriously what happened to him to make him hate guns so much?  Did he have a family member killed by a gun?  Was he shot?  I mean you don't HATE guns the way he does without some trigger event.  It's like he popped outta his mom and his first sentence was "Stop concealed carry!"

Ladies and gentlemen, we have a storm coming.  A tornado of sorts.  What is that tornado storm?   I'm glad you asked.  It is a tornado of law abiding citizens exercising their Second Amendment rights in a peaceful manner.   How are they going to do this you ask?  I'll tell you but please make sure your children are not reading this.  They will do it by carrying evil concealed firearms and there is a 99.9999999% chance that you will NEVER see someone draw one of these evil firearms used for self protection.  We CANNOT have this happen.  We simply CANNOT have citizens who contribute to society, unlike myself, exercising a Constitutional right and protecting themselves from criminals who wish to do them harm.  Call your State Senator NOW to tell him or her that you do not support the Constitution!

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[mack69]

Everytime this post title shows up I can't help but say... WHO CARES??  

[Professor Wheezy]

stm, on 11 May 2013 - 08:56 AM, said:

"Chicken Little" Goodman really needs to get out a little bit. The impending blood bath he is predicting has happened in... let me see... NO OTHER STATE. It seems the only blood bath we read about in the news is in Chicago.

It's curious that he seems to be willing to throw the rest of the state "under the bus" to keep Cook County free of those evil deadly concealed guns.

We've already gotten some foreshadowing of what this Spring and Summer will look like once it warms up outside. The bloodbath is ALREADY occurring.  Maybe CCW will drop it, I doubt it will touch the gun violence in the city as that tends to be gangs on others, but the beating and stabbings might see a decrease once CCW passes.

[Burtonrider10022]

Unfortunately, June 9th is going to come and pass, and soon after temps will rise, and the City will start slaughtering itself like it does every summer, and the headlines will read: "Murder rates up eleventy million percent since concealed carry legalized!"  Never you mind the fact that zero of those murders involved a CCW holder unlawfully using their weapon.

[POAT54]

Burtonrider10022, on 11 May 2013 - 10:41 PM, said:

Unfortunately, June 9th is going to come and pass, and soon after temps will rise, and the City will start slaughtering itself like it does every summer, and the headlines will read: "Murder rates up eleventy million percent since concealed carry legalized!"  Never you mind the fact that zero of those murders involved a CCW holder unlawfully using their weapon.

If they pass a law before June 9th, the first permits wont be issued till August. That said, yep all the violence will be because of the permits.......

[skinnyb82]

August?  Haha that's the contractor's completion date...it might run over who knows.  Permits in August?  No....no way not a chance.  They'll have to train the staffers how to use it first, 2-3 months for that or something ridiculous. Then they have to run the backgrounds on applicants, Arizona can't even turn around permits faster than 2.5 months right now and all they do is run an NICS check and scan in print cards. MAYBE as early as February but NOT August.  Remember who we're dealing with here.  The government.  And how many applications will flow in the day they start accepting them?  Every FOID card holder who owns a gun and meets the requirements (good luck getting into a class too) will be applying.  If they dont accept non-res permits til they can issue permits in a timely manner, there will be a lawsuit.  "Oh we got this permit system but we still only have less than half a dozen people processing 500,000 applications and we just got 20,000 more today...you're in the queue....we should get to you around, mmm I'm gonna say March 2015."  The FOID backlog on a huge dose of steroids.

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[C0untZer0]

I might be off on the numbers for Wisconsin but I thought initially they were averaging 3000 new applications every day...  and that kept up for quite a while.  They'd come in on a Monday and there would be something like 6000 new applications and by the end of the day an additional 3000 would have come in.

I always think the statistic for the applications are awesome because it's like a vote count.   The numbers are right there for everyone to see and they are undeniable.  

The reason I like reading Lee Goodman's "Stop Concealed Carry" stuff is that it is very encouraging to me to see what a defeatist attitude the antis have right now.  

All this nonsense that Lisa pulled with asking for cert hasn't really changed the 2A landscape in Illinois and it's starting to sink in. Two years ago people like Goodman were talking about stopping concealed carry in Illinois.  Now he's already conceded a carry law for the rest of the state is just focusing on trying to get a carve-out for all of Cook County versus just a carve out for Chicago.

We're winning.

[handyflyer]

There is a tear in my beer today............I too have been banned from his site. I NEED A HUG!!

[skinnyb82]

Hahahaha he has no tolerance for dissent!

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[Davey]

handyflyer, on 12 May 2013 - 11:11 AM, said:

There is a tear in my beer today............I too have been banned from his site. I NEED A HUG!!

How about a high five instead?

[handyflyer]

I guess he didn't like my 2 paragraph post on how gun violence has been reduced by 40% and it is very well possible that concealed carry in the other 49 states may have contributed to that reduction. I think it lasted 39 seconds on his sight. Truth hurts.

[C0untZer0]

Yep, he took down my post asking how preventing moms from owning guns makes them safer from knife wielding rapists.  I referenced the recent Edgewater abduction / rape.

It's too bad that there are people out there who listen to his pollyannic fantasy drivel. but oh well...

[Smittyp83]

Well, according to Mr. Goodman, most people in IL don't want concealed carry anyway, so maybe the waiting times won't be so bad after all.

[C0untZer0]

Lee Goodman's reaction to Kwame Raoul's bill:

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C0untZer0,


The Illinois Senate is expected to vote today on a concealed carry bill that is sponsored by Sen. Kwame Raoul. (The bill is an Amendment to House Bill 183.) Among other things, the bill authorizes people to carry concealed guns into your home, unless you post a state-approved sign that is at least 8 by 10 inches at every door!

This bill was supposed to reflect a reasonable compromise, but it gives the NRA just about everything it wants. It says the state “shall issue” permits to carry concealed guns everywhere in the state, including Chicago and its suburbs.

The bill's supporters claim that it makes getting a permit to carry guns in Chicago more difficult than in other parts of the state, but all the bill says is that the Chicago police superintendent can object to someone getting a permit to carry a gun in Chicago. He cannot stop them from getting a permit, and the burden is on the superintendent to convince the state not to issue a permit instead of being on the person to show that he has a proper reason to carry a gun. In the Senate's hearing this morning, a state official testified that because the bill does not say what criteria Chicago could base its objections on, the state would issue permits over Chicago's objections, to avoid lawsuits.

The bill specifically says that people can carry guns in cars in Chicago, whether or not they have permits to carry guns in Chicago. The bill makes it impossible for any municipality to prohibit carrying guns in cars.

This bill must not pass! Please, right now, call your state senator and voice your concerns. You can find your state senator's contact information atwww.StopConcealedCarry.org

Lee Goodman, for the Coalition
Lee@StopConcealedCarry.org

[skinnyb82]

A tornado ia coming!  A tornado of....GUNS!!!  Lee Goodman HATES guns, has an irrational fear of weapons and according to the esteemed Dr. Freud, that indicates sexual immaturity because a weapon represents male...ehm, "junk."

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[miztic]

lol the "what moms really want" facebook page has a whole 27 "likes".

[C0untZer0]

It's hilarious how much he hates and fears the Kwame bill !

He says the NRA got everything it wanted.  Who from the NRA worked with Kwame on this bill?  Our NRA lobbyist is Todd.  Raoul didn't work with Todd... how in the world did the NRA get everything it wanted with this bill?

Goodman's perceptions are OFF

It's funny that we look at this legislation and see it as gun control and he looks at it and sees it as carte Blanche for the NRA.

[Xwing]

Seriously? That {*bad words withheld to comply with Molly's policy*}   thinks Raoul's bill is too permissive? This is a bill that will let no-one but friends of the Chicago Democratic machine carry. And a bill that will make it impossible to travel throughout Illinois, even if you did get a permit.  He obviously has no clue.  But It’s cool that his supporters (both of them) will try to help stop this terrible bill.

[skinnyb82]

"Too permissive" to Lee Goodman means "Ban on carry outside the home...while I realize that the Seventh has ruled such a ban as unconstitutional, I really don't care.  We have a tornado of guns!" that and "Guns should be banned because it's working great in Australia and the U.K. whose violent crime per capita is double that of the U.S. but at least people survive stabbings...maybe lose a kidney but big deal" and it's not like gun violence has gone down since 1993...err ummm, oops, it's dropped by 50%.

[ming]

On the "What mom's really want" site I posted that my mom wants a new gun for her purse.  Seems to have disappeared.

[stm]

I would not object to a small surcharge tacked on to the cost of an IL carry permit to be earmarked for mental health so people like Mr. Goodman can get the help he so desperately needs.

[skinnyb82]

Yeah like $25-30 earmarked to pay for dearly needed anti-paranoia meds...like haldol, which would also knock him out.  Unintended consequences

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[mrpapageorgio]

stm, on 17 May 2013 - 06:04 PM, said:

I would not object to a small surcharge tacked on to the cost of an IL carry permit to be earmarked for mental health so people like Mr. Goodman can get the help he so desperately needs.

His mental health? But won't someone PLEASEEEE THINK OF THE CHILDREN?!? /purple

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[Davey]

Xwing, on 17 May 2013 - 01:00 PM, said:

Seriously? That {*bad words withheld to comply with Molly's policy*}   thinks Raoul's bill is too permissive? This is a bill that will let no-one but friends of the Chicago Democratic machine carry. And a bill that will make it impossible to travel throughout Illinois, even if you did get a permit.  He obviously has no clue.  

He understands the bill completely.  He's just willfully lying about it.  But yeah,  let bad mouth it, see if I care.