daplumber Posted August 23, 2012 at 10:55 AM Posted August 23, 2012 at 10:55 AM Nobody has EVER been convicted of Violating the Ban on Concealed Carry in Illinois, that had a valid FOID Card and was Arrested for merely being in possession of a loaded Gun on their person.
vactor Posted August 23, 2012 at 01:22 PM Posted August 23, 2012 at 01:22 PM i handle hundreds of cases a year. had a security guard last year, not at his job, walking down the street. arrested, charged, convicted of felony agg uuw. with valid foid card. don't have name or case number. state charged him, offered probation, and he plead out. so, it happens all the time in the city. just spend a week at 26th and cal at the court house and you will find many additional examples. or how about an out of state visitor with a valid ccw permit and a gun in the car or a bag. happens all the time too.
mrpapageorgio Posted August 23, 2012 at 03:15 PM Posted August 23, 2012 at 03:15 PM Nobody has EVER been convicted of Violating the Ban on Concealed Carry in Illinois, that had a valid FOID Card and was Arrested for merely being in possession of a loaded Gun on their person. Asked this to LEO family members, yes they've seen it happen. The one on the job for 30+ years has seen it "dozens of times"
Tvandermyde Posted August 23, 2012 at 03:21 PM Posted August 23, 2012 at 03:21 PM Shawn Gowder was in Chicago
Chiburbian Posted August 23, 2012 at 03:24 PM Posted August 23, 2012 at 03:24 PM Had a guy come into the emergency room about a year and a half ago fannypack carrying a loaded gun. I don't know if he was ever convicted but I know he was charged.
scough Posted August 23, 2012 at 06:18 PM Posted August 23, 2012 at 06:18 PM Nobody has EVER been convicted of Violating the Ban on Concealed Carry in Illinois, that had a valid FOID Card and was Arrested for merely being in possession of a loaded Gun on their person. I don't quite understand. In the title you ask a question, but in your post, you seem to be making a factual statement suggesting nobody with a FOID and conceal carrying has 'EVER' been charged with UUW? Is that still a question or a statement? If that was a statement, as the others suggested, that thought is completely incorrect.
lockman Posted August 23, 2012 at 06:25 PM Posted August 23, 2012 at 06:25 PM Nobody has EVER been convicted of Violating the Ban on Concealed Carry in Illinois, that had a valid FOID Card and was Arrested for merely being in possession of a loaded Gun on their person. Is this a question or are you stating this as fact?
Hatchet Posted August 23, 2012 at 08:10 PM Posted August 23, 2012 at 08:10 PM His post was stated in another thread. Mods moved it to its own thread cause it was cluttering up the other thread on off topic.
Molly B. Posted August 23, 2012 at 08:17 PM Posted August 23, 2012 at 08:17 PM His post was stated in another thread. Mods moved it to its own thread cause it was cluttering up the other thread on off topic. Thank you, Hatchet. That is correct. Daplumber made the statement, others disagreed, Daplumber asked for proof and topic was moved here.
Howard Roark Posted August 23, 2012 at 08:37 PM Posted August 23, 2012 at 08:37 PM Had a guy come into the emergency room about a year and a half ago fannypack carrying a loaded gun. I don't know if he was ever convicted but I know he was charged. Good to hear that, if he was a law-abiding citizen. Otherwise, not so much. Cool story, want to hear more some time !
Model1911 Posted August 23, 2012 at 10:51 PM Posted August 23, 2012 at 10:51 PM Sooo does this mean that you can have a loaded concealed weapon on your person without penalty, and it just hasn't made law?
TFC Posted August 23, 2012 at 11:00 PM Posted August 23, 2012 at 11:00 PM No.UUW/AGUUW is still the law.If you are caught with a weapon on the street, assembled, loaded and ready to fire, you will be arrested and charged.Not only will you be screwing yourself, you'll be screwing all of us who are pushing for legal Right to Carry. People are treating this like it's some arbitrary middle school rule that you can "get around."This is something that can get someone killed. Please treat it as such.
daplumber Posted August 23, 2012 at 11:48 PM Author Posted August 23, 2012 at 11:48 PM It is a fact, while disputed by UFO observers, that have no Names, Docket #'s or any other proof. I am asking anybody that can prove me wrong, to PLEASE give me the Name, Date of Conviction, Place of Court Proceedings (County) Etc. I have been looking for just one, and nobody can do better than, I have a friend, that knew a guy that told him that he knew a guy that was ...
Model1911 Posted August 23, 2012 at 11:54 PM Posted August 23, 2012 at 11:54 PM Ok got it. TFC could you clear up exactly what op was trying to say?
Tvandermyde Posted August 23, 2012 at 11:56 PM Posted August 23, 2012 at 11:56 PM look up Gowder v Chicago. Shawn was convicted, and had to go to court to get a CFP becuase his felpony conviction was dropped to a misdemeanor after the first felony law was ruled unconsitutional. That is all the prrof you should need unless you think I just made that up. Try looking upo Lawrance McNabb from downers grove arrested in Burr Ridge for carrying a 380 as a parapalegic. I saw the cops badge number engraved onthe side of the gun. He got a Class A out of it. I have to go and sig up the Chicago firefighter I helped out that had a felony arrest for UUW on his way to indiana where he had a carry permit.
daplumber Posted August 24, 2012 at 12:03 AM Author Posted August 24, 2012 at 12:03 AM No.UUW/AGUUW is still the law.If you are caught with a weapon on the street, assembled, loaded and ready to fire, you will be arrested and charged.Not only will you be screwing yourself, you'll be screwing all of us who are pushing for legal Right to Carry. People are treating this like it's some arbitrary middle school rule that you can "get around."This is something that can get someone killed. Please treat it as such. You speak of things that you simply do not understand and that is what Anti-Gunners do, so educate yourself before you try to condemn something on its face value! I challenge you to find one Case that you can show documentation of that shows a FOID Card holder, being arrested for ONLY, being in possession of a loaded firearm on their person. My Father, walked up to a Cop that he knew in 1978 and asked to be Arrested for it. The States Attorney, would not prosecute it. If he had been convicted, he could have Appealed and had the Law overturned. That's Hardcore, that's a man that fights for his Rights. You can call him a criminal, like the King of England, called the people we call Patriot's! He carried a fully loaded gun his entire Adult life. He was never arrested again, just told to keep it discreet. I was caught several time and the Cops let me go, with not even blinking an eye. Do I recommend it to others, NO! We are too close to Winning, Moore v Madigan.
daplumber Posted August 24, 2012 at 12:05 AM Author Posted August 24, 2012 at 12:05 AM look up Gowder v Chicago. Shawn was convicted, and had to go to court to get a CFP becuase his felpony conviction was dropped to a misdemeanor after the first felony law was ruled unconsitutional. That is all the prrof you should need unless you think I just made that up. Try looking upo Lawrance McNabb from downers grove arrested in Burr Ridge for carrying a 380 as a parapalegic. I saw the cops badge number engraved onthe side of the gun. He got a Class A out of it. I have to go and sig up the Chicago firefighter I helped out that had a felony arrest for UUW on his way to indiana where he had a carry permit.look up Gowder v Chicago. Shawn was convicted, and had to go to court to get a CFP becuase his felpony conviction was dropped to a misdemeanor after the first felony law was ruled unconsitutional. That is all the prrof you should need unless you think I just made that up. Try looking upo Lawrance McNabb from downers grove arrested in Burr Ridge for carrying a 380 as a parapalegic. I saw the cops badge number engraved onthe side of the gun. He got a Class A out of it. I have to go and sig up the Chicago firefighter I helped out that had a felony arrest for UUW on his way to indiana where he had a carry permit. Hello... Gowder did NOT have a FOID! McNabb, pleaded down, anymore...
daplumber Posted August 24, 2012 at 12:11 AM Author Posted August 24, 2012 at 12:11 AM Shawn Gowder was in ChicagoGowder did not have a valid FOID Card, He had a gun in his house. This is not even close, but thanks!
daplumber Posted August 24, 2012 at 12:16 AM Author Posted August 24, 2012 at 12:16 AM Sooo does this mean that you can have a loaded concealed weapon on your person without penalty, and it just hasn't made law?The Law has existed since 1961, and there has not been a Court Case to be Appealed, in all of that time, because the AG of the State of Illinois. does not want it overturned.
TFC Posted August 24, 2012 at 12:39 AM Posted August 24, 2012 at 12:39 AM No.UUW/AGUUW is still the law.If you are caught with a weapon on the street, assembled, loaded and ready to fire, you will be arrested and charged.Not only will you be screwing yourself, you'll be screwing all of us who are pushing for legal Right to Carry. People are treating this like it's some arbitrary middle school rule that you can "get around."This is something that can get someone killed. Please treat it as such. You speak of things that you simply do not understand and that is what Anti-Gunners do, so educate yourself before you try to condemn something on its face value! I challenge you to find one Case that you can show documentation of that shows a FOID Card holder, being arrested for ONLY, being in possession of a loaded firearm on their person. My Father, walked up to a Cop that he knew in 1978 and asked to be Arrested for it. The States Attorney, would not prosecute it. If he had been convicted, he could have Appealed and had the Law overturned. That's Hardcore, that's a man that fights for his Rights. You can call him a criminal, like the King of England, called the people we call Patriot's! He carried a fully loaded gun his entire Adult life. He was never arrested again, just told to keep it discreet. I was caught several time and the Cops let me go, with not even blinking an eye. Do I recommend it to others, NO! We are too close to Winning, Moore v Madigan. And you're willing to torpedo everyone's efforts here to preserve your ego and make a point? How noble..Stop by your local ISP post with a gun and ask to be arrested.Let us know how you come out.
daplumber Posted August 24, 2012 at 12:43 AM Author Posted August 24, 2012 at 12:43 AM The Illinois State Police are the most corrupt Police force in the Nation, no thanks. Perhaps you fail to comprehend the word...NO!
daplumber Posted August 24, 2012 at 01:09 AM Author Posted August 24, 2012 at 01:09 AM To make things clear, I do not advocate anyone, violating any law, especially The Ban on Concealed Carry. We are too close, to winning back our Rights, that have been denied to us for over 50 years. I grew up with people who had been carrying before the Ban, and simply put, said arrest me! The Law was not enforced, so it could not be overturned in Appeal. The State attorney ALWAYS, let the case be pleaded down or dismissed. That is how this Unconstitutional Law has survived for 50 years. There was a Case, involving a Woman, named Bruder, that brought an unloaded gun into a courthouse and was arrested, and convicted but was overturned upon Appeal, stating that her purse was a legal case and that the gun was unloaded, as required by law! Cullerton, himself, could not dispute, that the Purse, met the Legislatures requirements.
vactor Posted August 24, 2012 at 02:02 AM Posted August 24, 2012 at 02:02 AM come visit me anytime you like at 26th street and we can sit in various courtrooms and i think we will find pletny of cases involving FOID holders being prosecuted for agg uuw. there are 27 felony court rooms there and plenty of cases getting prosecuted. we can talk to ASA's and see what is pending and if they can remember prosecuting someone. as i said, i remember vividly the security guard walking down the street with gun in holster not at work getting charged. there's plenty more as well.
Helpdesk9 Posted August 24, 2012 at 03:22 AM Posted August 24, 2012 at 03:22 AM The Illinois State Police are the most corrupt Police force in the Nation, no thanks. Perhaps you fail to comprehend the word...NO! Really? Not the LAPD? Not the NYPD? This thread has turned into a Tolkien novel. Veni, vidi, edi
daplumber Posted August 24, 2012 at 03:35 AM Author Posted August 24, 2012 at 03:35 AM come visit me anytime you like at 26th street and we can sit in various courtrooms and i think we will find pletny of cases involving FOID holders being prosecuted for agg uuw. there are 27 felony court rooms there and plenty of cases getting prosecuted. we can talk to ASA's and see what is pending and if they can remember prosecuting someone. as i said, i remember vividly the security guard walking down the street with gun in holster not at work getting charged. there's plenty more as well.Please understand that what I want is Not what Molly B. put up as the thread... Concealed Carry Violation ONLY! Not in a holster... thats Open Carry. The statement has been researched for the last 24 years and not one single person in Illinois, that had a valid FOID Card, has been convicted of violating the Ban on Concealed Carry, for having a loaded gun on their person only, no other charges for other crimes at the same time, I.E. Robbery, discharge of a weapon, etc.
daplumber Posted August 24, 2012 at 03:36 AM Author Posted August 24, 2012 at 03:36 AM The Illinois State Police are the most corrupt Police force in the Nation, no thanks. Perhaps you fail to comprehend the word...NO! Really? Not the LAPD? Not the NYPD? This thread has turned into a Tolkien novel. Veni, vidi, edi Read about what they did to a Pekin Illinois couple and many others!
Tvandermyde Posted August 24, 2012 at 05:49 AM Posted August 24, 2012 at 05:49 AM Shawn could not have gotten a uuw for having a handgun in is home. You dont get convicted of a felony for mere pissession as pissession by a person who is elegible is a misdemeanor And what did mcnabb plead down too?
daplumber Posted August 24, 2012 at 10:24 AM Author Posted August 24, 2012 at 10:24 AM Shawn could not have gotten a uuw for having a handgun in is home. You dont get convicted of a felony for mere pissession as pissession by a person who is elegible is a misdemeanor And what did mcnabb plead down too? Do you understand that it is against the Law, to possess a firearm or ammo in Illinois, unless you have a valid FOID Card? That is what Gowder was convicted of, not anything more and that is why the Judge stated that is not enough reason to forbid him from a Handgun Permit in the City of Chicago. He was not guilty of any other offense. McNabb as I understand was arrested for a loaded gun in his CAR. The important thing to note here is that you DO NOT want to have anybody drive your car, that is not with you and does not have a FOID Card, when you have a gun and /or ammo in it. Even one loose bullet, could get them in serious trouble in Cook County or the City of Chicago. Socialist held territory of NE Illinois.
daplumber Posted August 24, 2012 at 10:44 AM Author Posted August 24, 2012 at 10:44 AM May 29, 2010 In Alton Il. James Gray was arrested for possession of a partialy loaded gun, on his person (the gun had been fired) after Police responded to a report of shots fired. Mr. Gray, a local NAACP President was arrested and the case has still not been heard in court. The time to file, will run out in aprox. 9 months. The case will not make it to trail in time and all charges will be dismissed. That is how things are done or in this case, not done.
daplumber Posted August 24, 2012 at 10:59 AM Author Posted August 24, 2012 at 10:59 AM come visit me anytime you like at 26th street and we can sit in various courtrooms and i think we will find pletny of cases involving FOID holders being prosecuted for agg uuw. there are 27 felony court rooms there and plenty of cases getting prosecuted. we can talk to ASA's and see what is pending and if they can remember prosecuting someone. as i said, i remember vividly the security guard walking down the street with gun in holster not at work getting charged. there's plenty more as well. Thanks," the problem we have here, is a failure to communicate" Cool hand Luke, The thread was improperly posted by Molly B., I have tried to clarify it several times, but the point is not being understood. The SA from McLean County, says that he will not prosecute anyone who has a FOID Card and is Arrested for only having a loaded gun on their person. I have said... nobody has ever has been convicted of only that, there has always been some other criminal charges, I.E. Robbery, Illegal Transportation, discharge of a weapon, ETC. Bruder, is about as close as we ever got, but she also violated the law by being in a Courthouse with a gun. You owe it to yourself to check out that case, she was let go on the charges, because a Judge ruled that her purse was a Legal Case, in which to store and transport an unloaded firearm. I am not looking to start a fight with anybody, just looking for information.
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