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[lee n. field]

Spotted this this morning:


Local referendum seeks concealed carry

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The referendum in question, which will appear on the November general election ballot, asks voters if they will adopt a “Constitutional Carry of Arms” ordinance to “increase public safety.” In essence, the measure aims to give Stephenson County residents the right to carry concealed firearms to defend themselves and others.
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[kurt555gs]

Good for Stephenson County! I hope these referendums pop up all over the state.  Symbolic or not, they show support for carry from more than just the usual sources. And that, is a good thing!

[Molly B.]

Unless the referendums fail and do not get voter support. That will serve to work against us.  I do hope these counties are making an effort to educate the voters!

[GarandFan]

Molly B., on 19 August 2012 - 01:54 PM, said:

Unless the referendums fail and do not get voter support. That will serve to work against us.  I do hope these counties are making an effort to educate the voters!

+1000

[Buzzard]

Molly B., on 19 August 2012 - 01:54 PM, said:

Unless the referendums fail and do not get voter support. That will serve to work against us.  I do hope these counties are making an effort to educate the voters!

Absolutely correct! It's a gamble how these referendums turn out. Several years ago, the Winnebago County Board mailed out a request to every Illinois county board, asking them to put a concealed carry referendum on their election ballot. 14 counties did and not all of them voted in favor of a concealed carry law in Illinois. I can't recall how many voted it down but I do remember that, ironically, Winnebago county was one that rejected a CC law.

So it's a crap shoot. You should never subject a Constitutional right to a public vote. It can backfire seriously.

[kurt555gs]

So a vote in the legislature is fine on Constitutional issues, but a public referendum isn't?

I think it's time to accept help from any and all sources on carry issues.

To me, it is more more important to have legal carry in Illinois than making sure no one but the ISRA, NRA, and IllinoisCarry control every aspect of how it's accomplished.

Having these county referenda and the States Attorney revolts show the powers that be there is more support for carry than just the usual suspects.




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Edited by Molly B., 20 August 2012 - 12:59 PM.
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[Buzzard]

kurt555gs, on 20 August 2012 - 11:37 AM, said:

So a vote in the legislature is fine on Constitutional issues, but a public referendum isn't?

Please don't put words in my mouth.

[Scots]

To me, these referendums simply serve to voluntarily introduce a completely unpredictable element into the equation. This, my friends, is rarely a wise tactic, and unpredictable elements can often yield unpredictable results.

Edited by dnielson, 20 August 2012 - 12:04 PM.

[kurt555gs]

Life is unpredictable.

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[Scots]

And that's exactly why we shouldn't throw even more unpredictable elements into the equation. It's unpredictable enough as it is without putting our rights up to a public vote in random counties.

[lee n. field]

I think Stephenson would be good to go on this, but I could be wrong.  I'm certainly seeing far too many bumper stickers in support of a certain individual who is not our friend, to be comfortable.

[stm]

I don't believe that our Constitutionally-protected rights should be subject to a mere popular vote. That's what got us in to this situation in the first place.

[Buzzard]

Missouri Proposition B was a failed ballot measure in 1999. It derailed concealed carry in Missouri for FOUR years.

Those who think these public referendums are a good idea should research Missouri Proposition B.

[abolt243]

Buzzard, on 20 August 2012 - 09:14 PM, said:

Missouri Proposition B was a failed ballot measure in 1999. It derailed concealed carry in Missouri for FOUR years.

Those who think these public referendums are a good idea should research Missouri Proposition B.

Good point Buzz!!