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[Bud]

Follow the link:


Keller's Riverside Gun Store

[Patriots & Tyrants]

Lol i remember that one . Its like 6 months old though.

[SFC Stu]

Yes, it is old, I agree with him!

[TFC]

RoFL! Tell me that this is some kind of gag!
I'm willing to go down there just to take the class!

[C0untZer0]

There was a follow-up interview with Keller and he didn't back down from any of it.

[oneshot]

Just when I thought he couldn't be any more ignorant, I see him wearing that hat.  

By the way, hasn't his waistline proven than he's incapable of making a knowledgeable or prudent decision about what he shovels into his mouth?  That hat with his physique is HILARIOUS!

Edited by oneshot, 16 August 2012 - 07:41 PM.

[SFC Stu]

I agree with him! It is his business and if he is willing to risk his teaching license fot it, so be it. I would not want to teach a enemy either!
What he eats or what he wears is not my concern!

[oneshot]

SFC Stu, on 16 August 2012 - 08:48 PM, said:

I agree with him! It is his business and if he is willing to risk his teaching license fot it, so be it. I would not want to teach a enemy either!
What he eats or what he wears is not my concern!

So you're saying that you believe that non-Christians, Arabs and Muslims can't be Americans?  That Democrats or anyone who voted for Obama are too stupid to carry a firearm?

[RECarry]

oneshot, on 16 August 2012 - 08:53 PM, said:

SFC Stu, on 16 August 2012 - 08:48 PM, said:

I agree with him! It is his business and if he is willing to risk his teaching license fot it, so be it. I would not want to teach a enemy either!
What he eats or what he wears is not my concern!

So you're saying that you believe that non-Christians, Arabs and Muslims can't be Americans?  That Democrats or anyone who voted for Obama are too stupid to carry a firearm?

You named several groups that seem pretty quick to exclude and discriminate gainst anyone who is not like them (but forgot to include gays).  So why shouldn't a business owner who is not a member of a special interest group have the last word over what cliental he feels morally justified to serve? He's making a statement to not serve groups that have a record of hating on "traditional" Americans, westerners and Christians. Respect and tolerance works both ways.

It would also be a valid concern to deny firearms or martial arts training to anyone who practices Sharia law that permits women to be beaten or killed by their husbands or fathers.

Edited by RECarry, 16 August 2012 - 09:29 PM.

[C0untZer0]

He looks like a pumpkin on toothpicks.  I gotta admire someone like that who somehow manages to hold their pants up without suspenders.  Like Henry Fonda said in Once Upon a Time in the West:

"Never trust a man who needs a belt and suspenders to hold his pants up"

[oneshot]

RECarry, on 16 August 2012 - 09:23 PM, said:

oneshot, on 16 August 2012 - 08:53 PM, said:

SFC Stu, on 16 August 2012 - 08:48 PM, said:

I agree with him! It is his business and if he is willing to risk his teaching license fot it, so be it. I would not want to teach a enemy either!
What he eats or what he wears is not my concern!

So you're saying that you believe that non-Christians, Arabs and Muslims can't be Americans?  That Democrats or anyone who voted for Obama are too stupid to carry a firearm?

You named several groups that seem pretty quick to exclude and discriminate gainst anyone who is not like them (but forgot to include gays).  So why shouldn't a business owner who is not a member of a special interest group have the last word over what cliental he feels morally justified to serve? He's making a statement to not serve groups that have a record of hating on "traditional" Americans, westerners and Christians. Respect and tolerance works both ways.

It would also be a valid concern to deny firearms or martial arts training to anyone who practices Sharia law that permits women to be beaten or killed by their husbands or fathers.

I didn't say he couldn't discriminate, I said he's ignorant.  He's ignorant in his ideas that Muslims can't be Americans and that "socialist liberals" lack the judgement capacity to handle a gun safely.  I don't think anyone's getting away with practicing aspects of Sharia in the US that oppress others and not all Muslims believe that they must practice some of the more archaic aspects of Sharia.  Polygamy is also a part of Sharia law, I've yet to meet a Muslim with multiple wives and I've spent a good deal of time in several Muslim countries, meeting many Muslim people.  The most indelible memory I have of a Muslim person was an older gentlemen on the streets of Aden, Yemen.  He approached my group inviting us into his house to show us he wares as it were.  He would go into the badlands and collect rocks with interesting patterns on them to sell.  He had us sitting in a circle in his living room and brought them all out to show us.  We had to break it to him that we were working as volunteers and we didn't have money to pay him to buy any.  He then insisted that we all take one for free.  Many Muslim people are extraordinarily hospitable, in part because of their culture stemming from thousands of years dwelling in the deserts, you had to be hospitable, it was expected of you, it created a social fabric on which people could survive and count on finding someone to help them.  Before you make such broad judgments of an entire people, try to get to know some, you may find that the soundbites that you're judging them by are much like the judgments that anti-gun proponents heap on us.

Here's my rock, I still have it prominently displayed...

http://imgur.com/egiUE

Edited by oneshot, 17 August 2012 - 07:29 AM.

[RECarry]

Dude, after trying to explain what may have led this fellow to formulate his policy, you're making this about me now? How do you know what I believe, or that I have no clients or friends that are multi-cultural? Who is making the broad judgement now? Back to the topic at hand - this fellow make be focused on only the extremist elements who brought harm to America. Somehow that is personal to him. For now that is how he chooses to run his business. Rahm Emanuel may not like it, but tough. Maybe someday this fellow will have an experience such as yours and all evil in the world can be forgotten.

Why did I choose my avatar? Because my wife and I were to have been at the World Trade Center for a conference from 9/10 through 9/12.  Yes, I do take 9/11 personally that extremists acted in the name of Allah to kill 3,000 innocent civilians, many of whom worked in my industry.  I could take this further, that 9/11 was an attack on my profession (finance and economics) but I did not. Fortunately, I am able to work with clients of all persuasions, and have friendships with some of them.  But I know better than to think I have the right to tell this shop owner how he shold run his business.

[oneshot]

The man said "No Muslims" "No Arabs" "No Non-Christians".  Period.  If you're taking his side, I'm assuming that you have the same views.  I'm done trying to get through to anyone here.

[RECarry]

oneshot, on 17 August 2012 - 08:26 AM, said:

The man said "No Muslims" "No Arabs" "No Non-Christians".  Period.  If you're taking his side, I'm assuming that you have the same views.  I'm done trying to get through to anyone here.

Thought we were having a rhetorical discussion about this guy's motives until your reply insinuated that I was the racist. Perhaps my first post was not clear.  One does not have to believe what he believes to defend his right to say it, or to run his store as he sees fit. The market will accept or reject his position, or he'll have a life experience that changes his views.

[GarandFan]

Oneshot ... relax.  It's not that big of a deal.  For the record, I disagree with the man's sentiment, but on the other hand, agree wtih the principle that he can teach whomever he wants (and deny whomever he wants).  The legal sticking point is that he's licensed by a state to teach that class, and given that, he probably can't get away with denials based on his criteria.

[moparcardave]

The big boys down here all wear "gus" cowboy hats.  I wore cowboy hats occasionally up north.  Where I live now it's rare not to see one, way more cb hats then caps.  I guess the ad must work he has business.  It's differnt here hearing radio ad from gun shops and CHL trainers on the radio.  A lot of them and telling the listening audience of their right and how crime is lowered because of the fear of ending up as a statistic.  It's a different life, and a good one.  My son who moved down here shortly after I did called me last night.  "Dad, my Texas CHL came today and headed out to the movies tonight." First time carrying here in Tx and said it feels good, as as many of us that first time carried a bit worried. I said nah forget it probably the guy sitting down the row is carrying too.

Edited by moparcardave, 18 August 2012 - 09:26 AM.