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[shackleford]

I'm speechless. I wonder what other parts of the constitution this guy wants to eliminate while we are at it?

http://southtownstar...-amendment.html

[citrix_guy]

While I think the guy is an idiot and is full of thought gone completely the opposite of logic... At least he is talking about the 2nd amendment. Very few anti-gun types will admit the 2A is what it is. Thus they try o make countless laws ignoring the "shall not be infringed" part.

BTW if you want to read it (I know shackleford posted it from his mobile so you get redirected) just hit the link and as soon as you start to see the article load hit "STOP" in your browser so it doesnt redirect you to their home page

[oneshot]

I have two things: Dream on and if he doesn't like guns, there are plenty of other countries in the world that are similar to the US that have outright or near outright bans on guns.  Leave this one alone.

[SFC Stu]

He needs to find another country. It is not going to happen!

[C0untZer0]

I actually don't mind this line of thinking.  At least it's honest.and it's not an effort to subvert the constitution.  I know that sounds strange, but there is a process to amend our constitution, which has been used in the past to change very basic tenents of the constitution of our government.  Repealing an amendment using the process that our forefathers set out, is working within the defined process.

What I find abhorent is the notion that it is acceptable to twist the meaning of the words of the constitution to create case law that in effect nullifies the amendment.  That, IMO is subverting the constitution.  The word smithing and extreme and radical interpretations of common sense phrases and expressions so that the application of the constitution in practice strips citizens of the very rights the amendment was meant to protect - is much more alarming to me than someone who takes a straight run at it because they think an amendment should be repealed.

We've seen this kind of blatant disregard for the constitution by people who at first said that the Second Amendment only applied to militias.  Now we see it with people who say that "to bear" arms doesn't mean to carry them on your person - ie: to go armed, but rather it just means ownership.

We see the same thing with judges like Myerscough and Stiehl who play those same intelectually dishonest games with terms like "scrutiny" and defining a state's interest in regulating.

[gangrel]

lmao. He did manage to call the rest of the country both Dodge City and The OK Corral.  Has this guy wver been outside of Illinois?

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[C0untZer0]

If the NRA was as powerfull as he claims it is, Quinn wouldn't be the governor and Illinois would have adopted CCW three or four years ago, if not sooner.

[Lou]

I'll allow him to exercise his First Amendment right to be an idiot if he'll keep his hands of my 2A rights.

[Blackhawk067]

gangrel, on 13 August 2012 - 07:27 AM, said:

lmao. He did manage to call the rest of the country both Dodge City and The OK Corral.  Has this guy wver been outside of Illinois?

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Exactly...that was what I was just going to mention..

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They watched as the NRA turned each state into a de facto Dodge City, eliminating gun registration and giving every civilian the chance to carry a concealed handgun.

They cringed when states from Florida to Colorado were turned into the OK Corral with stand-your-ground laws that essentially make it legal for any gunman, including a felon, to shoot an unarmed victim and claim self-defense.

Funny, all those Dodge Cities and OK Corrals out there and Chicago is still leading the nation in murder and violent crime.



Morons.

[Blackhawk067]

Lou, on 13 August 2012 - 08:52 AM, said:

I'll allow him to exercise his First Amendment right to be an idiot if he'll keep his hands of my 2A rights.

No kidding. The gun has been defending stupidity for the entire duration of this country. If it weren't for the gun, this guy wouldn't have the platform to spread his ignorance.


Ahhhh......the irony.

[Tompo]

The First Amendment gives this guy the right to say any knuckle-headed thing he wants, but, it'll never happen.

[C0untZer0]

One thing I've learned is that the underlying viewpoint is always going to shape a person's perception.

I heard on Sunday that 18 people had been killed in Chicago over the weekend.

That's quite a few more than were killed in Colorado.

Gun control advocates don't look at the situation and conclude that their gun control policies are intrinsically flawed and failed on their own merits.  They look at the situation and conclude that their gun control policies have been undermined by inadequate gun control laws elsewhere - like in neighboring states.  Instead of outrage over an obviously failed gun control policy, they think the answer is stricter gun control and more broadly applied - as in implemented and enforced over the entire U.S.A.

It's the same argument communists used.  When things didn't look good for communist states, they claimed it was because communism was being undermined by states that practiced overtly hostile capitalism.  The idea was that once all nations became communist, life would be better for all people everywhere on the planet.

Socialists do the same thing with their precious entitlement programs.  If a program fails, it was because it was underfunded.  In their minds it doesn't need to be cancelled, the government just needs to take the concept farther.  Quadruple the money being given out and make it available to 4 times as many people as previous... then it will work.

No wonder these morons repeated gunwalking operations with Fast and Furious even after the evaluation of the gun walking tactic in Operation Wide Receiver declared the tactic flawed.

These people are stupid.

Edited by C0untZer0, 13 August 2012 - 09:51 AM.

[Gunslinger]

I wish the NRA had half the power the antis make it sound like

[Buzzard]

oneshot, on 13 August 2012 - 07:07 AM, said:

I have two things: Dream on and if he doesn't like guns, there are plenty of other countries in the world that are similar to the US that have outright or near outright bans on guns. Leave this one alone.

While many of his facts are either wrong or intentional lies, if he believes there are other places in the world that are safer for him to inhabit, then I also suggest he leave. By the tone of his manifesto, it's quite clear that he is a gun hater and it's very doubtful that he truly is a gun owner. I believe he is only posing as a gun owner to make it  appear that his views are common in the law-abiding, gun owner community - when in fact they are not.

[mynameisaric]

Buzzard, on 13 August 2012 - 10:13 AM, said:

While many of his facts are either wrong or intentional lies, if he believes there are other places in the world that are safer for him to inhabit, then I also suggest he leave. By the tone of his manifesto, it's quite clear that he is a gun hater and it's very doubtful that he truly is a gun owner. I believe he is only posing as a gun owner to make it  appear that his views are common in the law-abiding, gun owner community - when in fact they are not.

+1

[Xwing]

C0untZer0, on 13 August 2012 - 07:25 AM, said:

I actually don't mind this line of thinking.  At least it's honest.and it's not an effort to subvert the constitution.

I agree with you.  At least this guy is being honest.  If people want to stop the rights of citizens to bear arms, the only way they should do it is by amending the constitution (not by simply pretending it doesn't say what it says).

[Kipp Jones]

How does he propose to defend his right to say dumb things like this if the 2A is abolished?

[vezpa]

Tompo, on 13 August 2012 - 09:16 AM, said:

The First Amendment gives this guy the right to say any knuckle-headed thing he wants, but, it'll never happen.

I'm going to buy a lottery ticket today and the sky must be falling, because I agree with Tompo on this one.

Edited by vezpa, 16 August 2012 - 11:20 AM.

[Tompo]

vezpa, on 16 August 2012 - 11:20 AM, said:

Tompo, on 13 August 2012 - 09:16 AM, said:

The First Amendment gives this guy the right to say any knuckle-headed thing he wants, but, it'll never happen.

I'm going to buy a lottery ticket today and the sky must be falling, because I agree with Tompo on this one.

be sure to buy a scratch off, too.  other than IL CCW,  I'm still trying to find an opportunity that I can agree with you!  

[GarandFan]

I think it's humorous when folks propose to repeal the second amendment.

But I can respect their honesty in recognizing they can't get their gun prohibition any other way.  And, I also suspect that if they really "got their way" they would get far more than they bargained for ... like so many modern-day General Gage's and Colonel Smith's.

[Drylok]

I have a lot more respect for this guy than i do for the Brady  types. At least this guy is honest and comes right out and says what he would like

[SFC Stu]

Drylok, on 18 August 2012 - 11:30 AM, said:

I have a lot more respect for this guy than i do for the Brady  types. At least this guy is honest and comes right out and says what he would like

Many of us have given their lives so people could be stupid!