Ok folks, looking for a little help......
I recently received a mailer from my new State Rep - Marcus Evans Jr, 33 - stating how he supports HB 5831 requiring statewide registration......
I want to craft a letter to him and need a few talking points......
His claim is that this bill will allow law enforcement to "easily track guns used"...........As far as I understand the searches through the ATF are pretty reliable to the last point of sale (with a 4473 and/or the 10 year documentation required by the FOID statute)
Furthermore, I understand that the SCOTUS has ruled that a felon is not responsible to register a weapon they possess as it is in violation of their 5th amendment right in regards to self incrimination....
Personally, I am a believer that registration leads to confiscation......
Any suggestions?
Thanks in advance.....
Also an FYI for the member who created the log in another post his contact info is Chicago Office - 773-783-8492......Springfield - 217-782-8272 ........no e-mail address listed.....
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State Rep wants statewide registration....
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, Aug 06 2012 09:12 PM
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Posted 06 August 2012 - 09:19 PM
Current combination of federal and state laws already require a paper trail. Any further laws would be redundant and still suffer from the same fatal flaw. The flaw being that everyone will have to play by the rules which of course criminals don't.
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Posted 07 August 2012 - 04:24 AM
Registration is the first step to confiscation. Ask those in CA who registered their "assault weapons" what the next law was that passed.
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Posted 07 August 2012 - 05:39 AM
I'd tell you exactly what to tell him and draft the message myself, but Molly would probably ban me for language.
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Posted 07 August 2012 - 08:37 PM
I'll be calling him tomorrow. Thank you for the contact info
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Posted 07 August 2012 - 08:58 PM
Sure thing...here ya go:
Mr. Evans,
I'd be glad to support HB 5831 and vote you back into office if you can do the following:
1: Get every gang banger, criminal and felon in Chicago to register their weapons first.
2: Afford us the same rights Chicago Aldermen are allowed, i.e., the right to carry a weapon to protect ourselves.
3: Have the state of Illinois go 10 straight years without one of our politicians being investigated and/or charged with illegal activities.
4: Get our state reps to actually represent the majority of Illinois residents' wishes
5: Reduce crime to such a miniscule number that we don't feel the need to carry a gun, let alone own one.
When you can promise and deliver on the aforementioned wishes, I will not only stop using your mailers as kindling for my charcoal grill, but would be glad to support you in all of your future endeavors.
Sincerely,
Free Citizen of America and Constitutionalist,
Firepiper
Mr. Evans,
I'd be glad to support HB 5831 and vote you back into office if you can do the following:
1: Get every gang banger, criminal and felon in Chicago to register their weapons first.
2: Afford us the same rights Chicago Aldermen are allowed, i.e., the right to carry a weapon to protect ourselves.
3: Have the state of Illinois go 10 straight years without one of our politicians being investigated and/or charged with illegal activities.
4: Get our state reps to actually represent the majority of Illinois residents' wishes
5: Reduce crime to such a miniscule number that we don't feel the need to carry a gun, let alone own one.
When you can promise and deliver on the aforementioned wishes, I will not only stop using your mailers as kindling for my charcoal grill, but would be glad to support you in all of your future endeavors.
Sincerely,
Free Citizen of America and Constitutionalist,
Firepiper
Damnit! I thought "May issue" meant they just issued me my permit in the month of May!
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Posted 07 August 2012 - 09:52 PM
I applaud your decision to write Rep. Marcus Evans Jr.
I just hope you don't expect him to change his mind - because he is more than just a supporter.....
....he's a co-sponsor of HB5831
I just hope you don't expect him to change his mind - because he is more than just a supporter.....
....he's a co-sponsor of HB5831
"The rifle itself has no moral stature, since it has no will of its own. Naturally, it may be used by evil men for evil purposes,
but there are more good men than evil, and while the latter cannot be persuaded to the path of righteousness by propaganda,
they can certainly be corrected by good men with rifles." — Jeff Cooper, The Art of the Rifle
but there are more good men than evil, and while the latter cannot be persuaded to the path of righteousness by propaganda,
they can certainly be corrected by good men with rifles." — Jeff Cooper, The Art of the Rifle
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Posted 08 August 2012 - 09:06 AM
Blackhawk067, on 07 August 2012 - 08:58 PM, said:
Sure thing...here ya go:
Mr. Evans,
I'd be glad to support HB 5831 and vote you back into office if you can do the following:
1: Get every gang banger, criminal and felon in Chicago to register their weapons first.
2: Afford us the same rights Chicago Aldermen are allowed, i.e., the right to carry a weapon to protect ourselves.
3: Have the state of Illinois go 10 straight years without one of our politicians being investigated and/or charged with illegal activities.
4: Get our state reps to actually represent the majority of Illinois residents' wishes
5: Reduce crime to such a miniscule number that we don't feel the need to carry a gun, let alone own one.
When you can promise and deliver on the aforementioned wishes, I will not only stop using your mailers as kindling for my charcoal grill, but would be glad to support you in all of your future endeavors.
Sincerely,
Free Citizen of America and Constitutionalist,
Firepiper
Mr. Evans,
I'd be glad to support HB 5831 and vote you back into office if you can do the following:
1: Get every gang banger, criminal and felon in Chicago to register their weapons first.
2: Afford us the same rights Chicago Aldermen are allowed, i.e., the right to carry a weapon to protect ourselves.
3: Have the state of Illinois go 10 straight years without one of our politicians being investigated and/or charged with illegal activities.
4: Get our state reps to actually represent the majority of Illinois residents' wishes
5: Reduce crime to such a miniscule number that we don't feel the need to carry a gun, let alone own one.
When you can promise and deliver on the aforementioned wishes, I will not only stop using your mailers as kindling for my charcoal grill, but would be glad to support you in all of your future endeavors.
Sincerely,
Free Citizen of America and Constitutionalist,
Firepiper
Send this letter, but first get all the signatures you can on it.
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Posted 08 August 2012 - 02:02 PM
Blackhawk067, on 07 August 2012 - 08:58 PM, said:
Sure thing...here ya go:
Mr. Evans,
I'd be glad to support HB 5831 and vote you back into office if you can do the following:
1: Get every gang banger, criminal and felon in Chicago to register their weapons first.
2: Afford us the same rights Chicago Aldermen are allowed, i.e., the right to carry a weapon to protect ourselves.
3: Have the state of Illinois go 10 straight years without one of our politicians being investigated and/or charged with illegal activities.
4: Get our state reps to actually represent the majority of Illinois residents' wishes
5: Reduce crime to such a miniscule number that we don't feel the need to carry a gun, let alone own one.
When you can promise and deliver on the aforementioned wishes, I will not only stop using your mailers as kindling for my charcoal grill, but would be glad to support you in all of your future endeavors.
Sincerely,
Free Citizen of America and Constitutionalist,
Firepiper
Mr. Evans,
I'd be glad to support HB 5831 and vote you back into office if you can do the following:
1: Get every gang banger, criminal and felon in Chicago to register their weapons first.
2: Afford us the same rights Chicago Aldermen are allowed, i.e., the right to carry a weapon to protect ourselves.
3: Have the state of Illinois go 10 straight years without one of our politicians being investigated and/or charged with illegal activities.
4: Get our state reps to actually represent the majority of Illinois residents' wishes
5: Reduce crime to such a miniscule number that we don't feel the need to carry a gun, let alone own one.
When you can promise and deliver on the aforementioned wishes, I will not only stop using your mailers as kindling for my charcoal grill, but would be glad to support you in all of your future endeavors.
Sincerely,
Free Citizen of America and Constitutionalist,
Firepiper
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Posted 08 August 2012 - 04:02 PM
With Todd's post about Sigma's situation, it sounds like we have mandatory registration already.
I'd be pointing this out to the next carpet-bagging, poll - taxing representative that says we have to foot the bill on setting up another registration system.
I'd be pointing this out to the next carpet-bagging, poll - taxing representative that says we have to foot the bill on setting up another registration system.
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Posted 08 August 2012 - 04:08 PM
isnt there a federal law prohibiting registration?
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Posted 08 August 2012 - 06:06 PM
Sigma, on 08 August 2012 - 04:08 PM, said:
isnt there a federal law prohibiting registration?
If that's true, then Chicago didn't get the memo.
Oh wait... Chicago is a different nation. Sorry, disregard my post.
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Posted 08 August 2012 - 08:14 PM
Canada tried it. It worked about as well as Klintoons assault weapons ban only it cost Canada billions.
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Posted 08 August 2012 - 08:41 PM
Dear Sir,
Blow it out your A&&.
Sincerely,
Concerned Citizen of Illinois
Blow it out your A&&.
Sincerely,
Concerned Citizen of Illinois
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Posted 08 August 2012 - 09:43 PM
oneshot, on 08 August 2012 - 08:41 PM, said:
Dear Sir,
Blow it out your A&&.
Sincerely,
Concerned Citizen of Illinois
Blow it out your A&&.
Sincerely,
Concerned Citizen of Illinois
Is that any way to treat a Illinois Rep. that has limited brain power? He needs help, very soon!
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Posted 09 August 2012 - 08:28 AM
The only reason he wants registration is so next year he can pass a total ban and the ISP will know where all the (legal) guns are so they can confiscate them. Let them pass their registration bill, I'm not registering anything.
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Posted 09 August 2012 - 02:49 PM
"State Rep wants statewide registration"
Want in one hand - sh!t in the other, see which one fills up first.
Want in one hand - sh!t in the other, see which one fills up first.
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Posted 09 August 2012 - 02:50 PM
on a not so aside, aside: remember when the state originally passed the seat belt law? there was a SPECIFIC provision IN THE LAW that said "no violation of this section shall allow a police officer to stop a vehicle" or something like that. then the very next year, the repealed that section. if they can, they WILL!!
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Posted 09 August 2012 - 02:59 PM
Sometimes I think the most effective letters are short and simple ...
"Rep. Evans:
It is my understanding that you currently support statewide firearm registration. As your constituent, I feel obligated that I do NOT support such registration. Until you withdraw your support for such registration, I will vote against you, and will do my best to convince my fellow constituents to vote against you.
Sincerely,
Your Name."
If he wants to understand details about registration and why you oppose it, let him ask. IMO, you probably don't need to craft long, detailed treatises using references to studies, etc. to support your position and try to convince him. For the most part, elected officials don't give a damn about facts. They are politicians and are engaged in a game. They wish to advance themselves in politics. Never forget that for the most part, politicians are playing a game, and fact-based issues are not central to that game.
"Rep. Evans:
It is my understanding that you currently support statewide firearm registration. As your constituent, I feel obligated that I do NOT support such registration. Until you withdraw your support for such registration, I will vote against you, and will do my best to convince my fellow constituents to vote against you.
Sincerely,
Your Name."
If he wants to understand details about registration and why you oppose it, let him ask. IMO, you probably don't need to craft long, detailed treatises using references to studies, etc. to support your position and try to convince him. For the most part, elected officials don't give a damn about facts. They are politicians and are engaged in a game. They wish to advance themselves in politics. Never forget that for the most part, politicians are playing a game, and fact-based issues are not central to that game.
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Posted 10 August 2012 - 05:25 AM
GarandFan, on 09 August 2012 - 02:59 PM, said:
Sometimes I think the most effective letters are short and simple ...
"Rep. Evans:
It is my understanding that you currently support statewide firearm registration. As your constituent, I feel obligated that I do NOT support such registration. Until you withdraw your support for such registration, I will vote against you, and will do my best to convince my fellow constituents to vote against you.
Sincerely,
Your Name."
If he wants to understand details about registration and why you oppose it, let him ask. IMO, you probably don't need to craft long, detailed treatises using references to studies, etc. to support your position and try to convince him. For the most part, elected officials don't give a damn about facts. They are politicians and are engaged in a game. They wish to advance themselves in politics. Never forget that for the most part, politicians are playing a game, and fact-based issues are not central to that game.
"Rep. Evans:
It is my understanding that you currently support statewide firearm registration. As your constituent, I feel obligated that I do NOT support such registration. Until you withdraw your support for such registration, I will vote against you, and will do my best to convince my fellow constituents to vote against you.
Sincerely,
Your Name."
If he wants to understand details about registration and why you oppose it, let him ask. IMO, you probably don't need to craft long, detailed treatises using references to studies, etc. to support your position and try to convince him. For the most part, elected officials don't give a damn about facts. They are politicians and are engaged in a game. They wish to advance themselves in politics. Never forget that for the most part, politicians are playing a game, and fact-based issues are not central to that game.
One of the best descriptions of the majority politicians I believe I've ever read. And yes, there are a few exceptions that do honestly try to serve their constituents as best they can.
"The rifle itself has no moral stature, since it has no will of its own. Naturally, it may be used by evil men for evil purposes,
but there are more good men than evil, and while the latter cannot be persuaded to the path of righteousness by propaganda,
they can certainly be corrected by good men with rifles." — Jeff Cooper, The Art of the Rifle
but there are more good men than evil, and while the latter cannot be persuaded to the path of righteousness by propaganda,
they can certainly be corrected by good men with rifles." — Jeff Cooper, The Art of the Rifle
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