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[TFC]

""Final report has not been finalized"....?
That sounds like an email from my 8 year-old niece.

[Bud]

TFC, on 24 July 2012 - 03:12 PM, said:

""Final report has not been finalized"....?
That sounds like an email from my 8 year-old niece.

and most Illinois politicians act like.............?

just saying

[colt-45]

there no way they can stop it from getting to the public now.

[sfdoc5]

Bud, on 24 July 2012 - 08:30 AM, said:

The final report hasn’t been finalized. It will be readily available upon release. I will keep an eye out for it and forward to you.

Translation: It does not say what we want it to say...So we will fix that problem and get it right out!!!!

[TFC]

Anybody else get the feeling that we've just been shown the bureaucratic middle finger?

[Bud]

You're wrong, my Rep, Bob Pritchard is a hard and true supporter of concealed carry;

[TyGuy]

Bud, on 24 July 2012 - 07:04 PM, said:

You're wrong, my Rep, Bob Pritchard is a hard and true supporter of concealed carry;

Yup!  He's my Rep too.  I've called his office on multiple bills.

[TFC]

A more literate response: "We are in the final stages of completing the report. While I can appreciate the urgency of the matter, we need to move slowly in our work to ensure that no elements remain unexplored. Please be patient. The moment that it is released to me, I will release it to you.
Thank you ... (bla bla bla) "
See? Easy!
You know what? They should just send me the accursed thing. I'll knock it out in a couple of hours...

[Satatic]

Looks like Ford has a tell.  He pickers his lips several times before he tells a lie.  Watch for it again.

[colt-45]

well my rep said he didn't get any thing on the task-force report. maybe some rep's did and some didn't.

[mstrat]

Ford was my rep up until last summer when I moved across the street to the next district.
I've countless times relayed how unsupportive he's been, and how he outright ignores his constituents, and his office is basically hostile.

But I.C. and NRA leadership insisted Ford was just itching to vote for us, and looking for an excuse to come to our side, and blah blah blah.

Folks, You Got Played.  Own it.

[colt-45]

Ford was a tool chicago used against us.

[Gray Peterson]

mstrat, on 27 July 2012 - 08:39 AM, said:

Ford was my rep up until last summer when I moved across the street to the next district.
I've countless times relayed how unsupportive he's been, and how he outright ignores his constituents, and his office is basically hostile.

But I.C. and NRA leadership insisted Ford was just itching to vote for us, and looking for an excuse to come to our side, and blah blah blah.

Folks, You Got Played.  Own it.

You realize that rifles were never going to be covered by the carry bill, right?

[ishmo]

mstrat, on 27 July 2012 - 08:39 AM, said:

Ford was my rep up until last summer when I moved across the street to the next district.
I've countless times relayed how unsupportive he's been, and how he outright ignores his constituents, and his office is basically hostile.

But I.C. and NRA leadership insisted Ford was just itching to vote for us, and looking for an excuse to come to our side, and blah blah blah.

Folks, You Got Played.  Own it.

Thanks for the comment.  Based on your "you got played" comment it would appear you're not quite the pro 2A advocate you say you are or you don't really understand what's happening here in Illinois.

If you have a better plan/idea than the one in place stop saying I wish and start saying I will change Illinois laws.

[Vade]

Bud, on 24 July 2012 - 08:30 AM, said:

Got this from my State Rep this morning. All of you should write your State Rep and ask for a copy. Pressure is pressure. if they know we are paying attention it will force themm to pay attention:


Bud,



The final report hasn’t been finalized. It will be readily available upon release. I will keep an eye out for it and forward to you.



Jesse Sheehan

District Director



State Representative Robert W. Pritchard

2600 DeKalb Avenue, Suite C

Sycamore, IL  60178

815.748.3494 - Main office

815.748.4630 - Fax

I mailed my rep he said the deadline is pushed till Dec. 31 2012.

[Molly B.]

mstrat, on 27 July 2012 - 08:39 AM, said:

. . . But I.C. and NRA leadership insisted Ford was just itching to vote for us. . .

You have links to back up this statement?

[mstrat]

ishmo, on 27 July 2012 - 04:36 PM, said:

mstrat, on 27 July 2012 - 08:39 AM, said:

Folks, You Got Played.  Own it.

Based on your "you got played" comment it would appear you're not quite the pro 2A advocate you say you are or you don't really understand what's happening here in Illinois.

If you have a better plan/idea than the one in place stop saying I wish and start saying I will change Illinois laws.

Let me expand on that...

Time and again, I.C. leadership talk out of both sides of their mouths.  On one hand it's exactly what you just spouted: "if you have a better idea, do it."  But the moment anybody here even suggests doing something else, it's "Don't do that. It's hurting our cause. Do what we say, listen to us, we have been doing this the longest and know best."

And with each failure we hear a new reason about how or why it's actually a "success" in disguise.  It's getting tired.

Ford's office played certain people like a fiddle.  He stalled and bought time, and got certain people here to shelve their plans and turn down the heat for a while.

I'm suggesting that for once in the history of this forum, somebody refrain from making an excuse, and own their failure.  Admit their defeat in this battle.  Learn from it, and carry on to win the greater war.

[GarandFan]

Sure are lots of folks willing (and perhaps even happy) to cast judgement.  From my view (which is admittedly more distant than some) this whole legislative task force report and its effects have not yet played out.  So I would hesitate to say this or that, or this person or that person, got "played."

I will say, though, that some folks are working hard (actually working, not merely posting messages on internet chat forums) and making good-faith efforts to advance concealed carry in Illinois.  And that other folks ... well, other folks are pretty good at whining about the situation (whatever it may be).

mstrat ... if you have a beef with someone or some people, you need to take it to them.  It sounds like your complaints are directed to particular folks, so you don't need to air them on the open forum.  That just ain't a mature approach.

[ishmo]

mstrat, on 28 July 2012 - 11:14 PM, said:

ishmo, on 27 July 2012 - 04:36 PM, said:

mstrat, on 27 July 2012 - 08:39 AM, said:

Folks, You Got Played.  Own it.

Based on your "you got played" comment it would appear you're not quite the pro 2A advocate you say you are or you don't really understand what's happening here in Illinois.

If you have a better plan/idea than the one in place stop saying I wish and start saying I will change Illinois laws.

Let me expand on that...

Time and again, I.C. leadership talk out of both sides of their mouths.  On one hand it's exactly what you just spouted: "if you have a better idea, do it."  But the moment anybody here even suggests doing something else, it's "Don't do that. It's hurting our cause. Do what we say, listen to us, we have been doing this the longest and know best."

And with each failure we hear a new reason about how or why it's actually a "success" in disguise.  It's getting tired.

Ford's office played certain people like a fiddle.  He stalled and bought time, and got certain people here to shelve their plans and turn down the heat for a while.

I'm suggesting that for once in the history of this forum, somebody refrain from making an excuse, and own their failure.  Admit their defeat in this battle.  Learn from it, and carry on to win the greater war.

Opinions do vary and your frustration with the pace of our progress is understandable.   It's a pity you weren't around in '06-'07 when the prospect for RTC was so much brighter.

To echo GF's sentiment if you have a beef with the people calling the shots take it to them.

[Johnnybgood]

We live in a time of instant gratification. While I know the report is past what most had hoped would be the release date we have to understand that getting angry, and taking out our frustration on others because we think we can do it better is not going to get us the report any sooner, nor will it say anything different then it would have said before. The wheels of our government move slowly unless they are after our money. Let's all take a deep breath and relax. We will get to read it sometime.

[Tvandermyde]

WE came up 6 votes short on a carry bill. We need to find those votes and snce that day have been working to put them together.

Rep. Ford asked for certain things, towh hall meetings, the task force. We complied with his requests. We have been working on the task force report as we have a lot of edits to the draft.

It will be done befre the veto session and When I go to springfield next week I will take the temprature on a number of things and have a little fsace time with Rep. Ford.

[colt-45]

Tvandermyde, on 11 August 2012 - 07:21 AM, said:

WE came up 6 votes short on a carry bill. We need to find those votes and snce that day have been working to put them together. Rep. Ford asked for certain things, towh hall meetings, the task force. We complied with his requests. We have been working on the task force report as we have a lot of edits to the draft. It will be done befre the veto session and When I go to springfield next week I will take the temprature on a number of things and have a little fsace time with Rep. Ford.

thanks for the up date Todd and good luck in Springfield.

[colt-45]

the task-force papers will come out but i think we will have to fight to get them.

Edited by colt-45, 14 August 2012 - 01:12 PM.

[Rail]

Y'all would be fools to agree to a AWB-for-CCW compromise before both issues have made their way through the courts. CCW fell short by 3 votes in the House over a year ago. Since then, a lot of ground has been made on getting support for the issue at the grassroots level. If it doesn't pass before November, it will after the elections. That's my prediction looking at it from out of state. And if we have over 71 votes needed for concealed carry, think about how many our side has for state preemption, Katrina confiscation-prohibition, etc...

The fact that 54 percent (if it is indeed a fact) of Chicago residents and a significant majority of those in suburban Cook support CCW means that the public is on our side. Those numbers would have been unheard of only a few years ago. Things are looking up, and compromising is the worst thing you could do right now.

Edited by Rail, 15 August 2012 - 02:48 AM.

[TyGuy]

Here here

[TFC]

colt-45, on 14 August 2012 - 01:09 PM, said:

the task-force papers will come out but i think we will have to fight to get them.

Even if it came out yesterday, it holds no water or weight since it's not legally binding.
It's a classic stall. They know that the last thing they want to do is bring this up during campaign season.

Rail, on 15 August 2012 - 02:45 AM, said:

Y'all would be fools to agree to a AWB-for-CCW compromise before both issues have made their way through the courts. CCW fell short by 3 votes in the House over a year ago. Since then, a lot of ground has been made on getting support for the issue at the grassroots level. If it doesn't pass before November, it will after the elections. That's my prediction looking at it from out of state. And if we have over 71 votes needed for concealed carry, think about how many our side has for state preemption, Katrina confiscation-prohibition, etc...

The fact that 54 percent (if it is indeed a fact) of Chicago residents and a significant majority of those in suburban Cook support CCW means that the public is on our side. Those numbers would have been unheard of only a few years ago. Things are looking up, and compromising is the worst thing you could do right now.

Pitting rifle owners against handgun owners? And our side buying it as a "compromise?" Is it possible?
Sure. Depending on who has the bigger bucks.