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[Federal Farmer]

I work with a number of H1B (Guest worker) Visa holders and one of them has applied for an FOID.  I've been following it closely because I believe self-defense rights are not conferred by citizenship.  I'm hoping the ISP issues his FOID and if not, that we can do something about it.

Recently the ISP contacted him requesting more information on his Visa paperwork, which I take as a positive sign that they are at least considering issuing the FOID.

For reference, an H1B Visa is a non-immigration status.  They must re-apply every 1 to 3 years and have an overall limit of something like 9 years.  They can apply for a green card and pursue immigration status as well.

[Uncle Harley]

I think anyone here LEGALLY  should be able to enjoy the same rights we do.   It's the ones that don't follow the rules that irks me. Hope it goes well, keep us posted.

[rott]

I have someone at work going through this right now.  Hopefully she gets her FOID.  I also called ATF (I have my FFL), to ask about this, and her filling out the 4473, but I confused them, and they are looking into it...

[miztic]

I'm also interested to see how it works out, I'm a permanent resident and didn't have a problem getting my FOID, but when actually purchasing, I have to bring 3 months worth of bills and my permanent resident card and the poor FFL has to call the FBI number and spend 20 minutes on the phone because it won't let them do it through the computer.

[Federal Farmer]

miztic, on 12 July 2012 - 09:01 AM, said:

I'm also interested to see how it works out, I'm a permanent resident and didn't have a problem getting my FOID, but when actually purchasing, I have to bring 3 months worth of bills and my permanent resident card and the poor FFL has to call the FBI number and spend 20 minutes on the phone because it won't let them do it through the computer.

Terrible.  I bet that has more to do with ISP than FBI, but could be both.  In IL the call goes to ISP not NICS.

[miztic]

Federal Farmer, on 12 July 2012 - 09:15 AM, said:

miztic, on 12 July 2012 - 09:01 AM, said:

I'm also interested to see how it works out, I'm a permanent resident and didn't have a problem getting my FOID, but when actually purchasing, I have to bring 3 months worth of bills and my permanent resident card and the poor FFL has to call the FBI number and spend 20 minutes on the phone because it won't let them do it through the computer.

Terrible.  I bet that has more to do with ISP than FBI, but could be both.  In IL the call goes to ISP not NICS.

oh my bad, I thought they said they called FBI but NICS sounds close, I probably misheard.
It's silly that I have to bring three months worth of bills, they don't send them or anything, they just note on the application which bill I provided.

[vezpa]

Federal Farmer, on 11 July 2012 - 09:21 AM, said:

I work with a number of H1B (Guest worker) Visa holders and one of them has applied for an FOID.  I've been following it closely because I believe self-defense rights are not conferred by citizenship.

I disagree with you 110%   If you want to enjoy the freedoms and privelages of being an American you need to be an American.

See if any other country will allow you to purchase a firearm on an American Visa.

The Bill of Rights pertains to American Citizens, not guests, no matter how long they stay.

And doing a thorough background check is almost certainly impossible with all different intracaies of law in all the different countries.

Edited by vezpa, 12 July 2012 - 11:40 PM.

[Gray Peterson]

vezpa, on 12 July 2012 - 11:35 PM, said:

Federal Farmer, on 11 July 2012 - 09:21 AM, said:

I work with a number of H1B (Guest worker) Visa holders and one of them has applied for an FOID.  I've been following it closely because I believe self-defense rights are not conferred by citizenship.

I disagree with you 110%   If you want to enjoy the freedoms and privelages of being an American you need to be an American.

See if any other country will allow you to purchase a firearm on an American Visa.

The Bill of Rights pertains to American Citizens, not guests, no matter how long they stay.

And doing a thorough background check is almost certainly impossible with all different intracaies of law in all the different countries.

The bill of rights says people, the main constitution uses people, persons, & citizens in a non interchangeable fashion.

You are way wrong & incorrect in your constitutional reasoning.

[Xwing]

vezpa, on 12 July 2012 - 11:35 PM, said:

If you want to enjoy the freedoms and privelages of being an American you need to be an American.

I respectfully disagree.  There are some things that require American citizenship, such as voting.  That is how it should be.  But guests to our country, here legally, should enjoy the same freedoms, which are god-given rights.

[vezpa]

Xwing, on 13 July 2012 - 07:31 AM, said:

vezpa, on 12 July 2012 - 11:35 PM, said:

If you want to enjoy the freedoms and privelages of being an American you need to be an American.

I respectfully disagree.  There are some things that require American citizenship, such as voting.  That is how it should be.  But guests to our country, here legally, should enjoy the same freedoms, which are god-given rights.

Many would disagree that buying a gun isn't a god-given right, even for American citizens, people in Illinois/Chicago.Cook specifically.

[Gray Peterson]

vezpa, on 13 July 2012 - 12:44 PM, said:

Xwing, on 13 July 2012 - 07:31 AM, said:

vezpa, on 12 July 2012 - 11:35 PM, said:

If you want to enjoy the freedoms and privelages of being an American you need to be an American.

I respectfully disagree.  There are some things that require American citizenship, such as voting.  That is how it should be.  But guests to our country, here legally, should enjoy the same freedoms, which are god-given rights.

Many would disagree that buying a gun isn't a god-given right, even for American citizens, people in Illinois/Chicago.Cook specifically.

You're comparing us to anti gunners?

[Lake Shore Drive]

I've always noticed that once a citizen or legal resident becomes a violent criminal, that person typically loses their gun rights.

In the ongoing war of good versus evil, I always thought the goal (on the pro-gun side) was to arm good people as much as possible and then attempt to disarm evil people. I say "attempt" because we all know that evildoers don't honor the law to begin with so they won't disarm themselves willingly.

In my opinion, I feel that if you rape a woman, murder a human being, molest a child, or commit some other violent crime, you should lose your gun rights. Yes, personal defense is a "god-given" right, but if you commit an atrocity, I feel you should lose "the right to keep and bear arms" just like how you would lose your right to freedom when you are sentenced to prison. It is my belief that in our country, the bad guys have more rights than the good guys and we need to turn that around.

[Lake Shore Drive]

vezpa, on 13 July 2012 - 12:44 PM, said:

Many would disagree that buying a gun isn't a god-given right, even for American citizens, people in Illinois/Chicago. Cook specifically.

And now the United Nations.

[vezpa]

Lake Shore Drive, on 13 July 2012 - 01:40 PM, said:

vezpa, on 13 July 2012 - 12:44 PM, said:

Many would disagree that buying a gun isn't a god-given right, even for American citizens, people in Illinois/Chicago. Cook specifically.

And now the United Nations.

I can hardly wait to see the end result of their garbage talks.  Lord help us.