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[drdoom]

Ok, at the VERY least, I'd like to see these changes made to the FOID:

The ability to apply, and be issued one at your local DMV (seriously, who applies for their DL by mail? cars can kill more people per capita than a gun with 30 shots, just play GTA for PS3 sometime and you'll understand!)

Online application, and instant online issuing. Much like printing out city stickers and what not, why not, fill the necessary fields out online, pay the $10, get issued a FOID number (or in this case printable paper, which would be just as valid as the card, the real card would still be mailed, but you'd be able to use this in lieu of it)

[eric2281]

You want a major change to the FOID?

You want the FOID abolished?

Push for the removal of the $10 fee. Argue it's a poll tax. I don't imagine it would be around longer than a few years after that. Believe you me, I don't like the FOID as much as the next guy but if it were free...

[KingWalleye]

Is this just another distraction and delay of ccw?

Kind of like the ccw taskforce. They claim the system is broken in order to deny a way to implement ccw.

[drdoom]

Yeah, I'd like to see that, get rid of the fee, have the card available at every DMV (after you fill out the appropriate forms of course, and they do a check). Other than that, let's focus primarily on conceal carry!

[DoYouFeelLucky]

How about allowing gang members to get a customized version with their gang symbols on it?

[Gray Peterson]

Gunslinger, on 08 July 2012 - 01:56 PM, said:

This is why my money goes to GOA and not the NRA. GOA would never even consider sitting down to talk about anything FOID related except repealing it.

Does GOA have a lobbyist in Springfield?

[C0untZer0]

^ Please don't mention GOA without also asking for a donation:

http://gunowners.org/store/contribute

[mstrat]

eric2281, on 11 July 2012 - 12:37 PM, said:

Push for the removal of the $10 fee. Argue it's a poll tax. I don't imagine it would be around longer than a few years after that. Believe you me, I don't like the FOID as much as the next guy but if it were free...

I can't overstate how much I agree with this.

While it's easy to shrug and say "$10 for 10 years is fair"... Resist the urge for 2 reasons:
1) Principle.   Not but a week ago a representative of the White House (Holder) argued that indirect costs potentially tied to a fundamental, constitutional right were unacceptable.  Well folks, this is a direct fee required and necessary for you to exercise a constitutionally protected right.  IL is treating arms as a privilege.  Unacceptable.
2) As eric cleverly pointed out, this may well be the simplest and most effective first step towards getting rid of the FOID.

[Buzzard]

mstrat, on 13 July 2012 - 10:50 AM, said:

eric2281, on 11 July 2012 - 12:37 PM, said:

Push for the removal of the $10 fee. Argue it's a poll tax. I don't imagine it would be around longer than a few years after that. Believe you me, I don't like the FOID as much as the next guy but if it were free...

I can't overstate how much I agree with this.

While it's easy to shrug and say "$10 for 10 years is fair"... Resist the urge for 2 reasons:
1) Principle.   Not but a week ago a representative of the White House (Holder) argued that indirect costs potentially tied to a fundamental, constitutional right were unacceptable.  Well folks, this is a direct fee required and necessary for you to exercise a constitutionally protected right.  IL is treating arms as a privilege.  Unacceptable.
2) As eric cleverly pointed out, this may well be the simplest and most effective first step towards getting rid of the FOID.

Actually, I only need the first the first reason. If the the U.S. Attorney General says the Illinois FOID act is unconstitutional....

....THEN IT MUST BE SO!

Get rid of the FOID act and MAKE SURE EVERY ILLINOIS DEMOCRAT KNOWS WHY!



Now.... how do we clean up the mess that will be created by all those Liberal heads exploding??

[moon]

Hi All,

This is my first post.  I suggest that FOID cards be distributed at the Sec of State office along with other state issued ID's.  Not sure but aren't the background checks automated, like a phone/fax confirmation?  If not, an automated/instant background check system should be implemented and available at Sec Of State.  It should be as "quick" as getting a credit approval.  Reduction of fee and or extension of experation.

[NakPPI]

I would like the FOID processors to not cancel your previous FOID until a new one is issued.

I sent in my renewal early a couple years ago, worried that my ID would expire before they got around to sending me a new card. In the interim I tried to buy a handgun. My FOID was rejected, after some digging I discovered that the FOID processors cancel your existing FOID as soon as they receive the application for renewal, regardless of whether they have sent you a new ID.

[abolt243]

NakPPI, on 16 July 2012 - 01:34 PM, said:

I would like the FOID processors to not cancel your previous FOID until a new one is issued.

I sent in my renewal early a couple years ago, worried that my ID would expire before they got around to sending me a new card. In the interim I tried to buy a handgun. My FOID was rejected, after some digging I discovered that the FOID processors cancel your existing FOID as soon as they receive the application for renewal, regardless of whether they have sent you a new ID.

Excellent point.  Not sure why the current card should expire (or be expired by the ISP) before the expiration date.  And the new FOID should be valid for the full ten years from issuance, not from the time they receive the app or cash the check.  Seems somehow that you always lose a month or two in the process.

[mauserme]

abolt243, on 16 July 2012 - 01:58 PM, said:

NakPPI, on 16 July 2012 - 01:34 PM, said:

I would like the FOID processors to not cancel your previous FOID until a new one is issued.

I sent in my renewal early a couple years ago, worried that my ID would expire before they got around to sending me a new card. In the interim I tried to buy a handgun. My FOID was rejected, after some digging I discovered that the FOID processors cancel your existing FOID as soon as they receive the application for renewal, regardless of whether they have sent you a new ID.

Excellent point.  Not sure why the current card should expire (or be expired by the ISP) before the expiration date.  And the new FOID should be valid for the full ten years from issuance, not from the time they receive the app or cash the check.  Seems somehow that you always lose a month or two in the process.

This is a guess, but it seems as if they handle renewals the same as lost/stolen cards.  It might be a programming limitation.

[THE KING]

TODD

How about repealing sec. 13.1 and 13.3 of the FOID act and go for full pre-emption ????

[vezpa]

I'd like to see Todd chime in here with more info and or opinions of our thoughts on various issues of FOID changes/repeal.   Then I'd like to take his new truck for a spin.

[ishmo]

mauserme, on 16 July 2012 - 02:16 PM, said:

abolt243, on 16 July 2012 - 01:58 PM, said:

NakPPI, on 16 July 2012 - 01:34 PM, said:

I would like the FOID processors to not cancel your previous FOID until a new one is issued.

I sent in my renewal early a couple years ago, worried that my ID would expire before they got around to sending me a new card. In the interim I tried to buy a handgun. My FOID was rejected, after some digging I discovered that the FOID processors cancel your existing FOID as soon as they receive the application for renewal, regardless of whether they have sent you a new ID.

Excellent point.  Not sure why the current card should expire (or be expired by the ISP) before the expiration date.  And the new FOID should be valid for the full ten years from issuance, not from the time they receive the app or cash the check.  Seems somehow that you always lose a month or two in the process.

This is a guess, but it seems as if they handle renewals the same as lost/stolen cards.  It might be a programming limitation.

I think you're right about the renewals.  Looks like the reason there's a new FOID number is because of the way the process is conducted. (see chart below).  My guess is when INB assigns a new number and they go to the ISP the old number is cancelled when the new INB number is received.   Link to full OFFICE OF THE AUDITOR GENERAL FOID ACT report.

On to my personal wish list.

What I"d really like to see is a space for a current FOID nrumber on the renewal app and an option for the last 4 of a SSN on an original app as well as Mike's idea for a file you can insert a digital pic into and print out and mail.  I also don't see any reason the apps can't be sent directly to Boland Enterprises and the hard copies couriered  back to the ISP.  I think cutting out a couple of the middlemen might expedite the process.Then let the ISP make their determination on eligibility.

Something else that needs looking into is the price that FIS is charging the state.  If you  check the price they're charging the state it works out to about $1.88 per card over the last few years.  A current ID like a FOID can be made for approx $.50-70 depending on volume and current credit card with a chip embedded can be made for approx $1.00.  Not surprising the state says they're losing money on the FOID card when they're overpaying the way they are.

Just my $0.02 on the matter.

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[mauserme]

Ishmo's post gives me another thought.

If we're going to have a 30 day processing period, the act should specify that FOIDs will be issued within 30 days of receipt by the Department of State Police or any agency the Department designates to process the application.

More suggested wording:

(430 ILCS 65/5) (from Ch. 38, par. 83-5)

Sec. 5. The Department of State Police shall issue either approve or deny all FOID cards applications within 30 days from the date they are the application and $10 fee are received by the Department or by any agency authorized by the Department to receive or process the application unless, within the 30 day period, the applicant is found to be inelgible. and every applicant found qualified pursuant to Section 8 of this Act by the Department shall be entitled to a Firearm Owner's Identification Card upon the payment of a $10 fee

[1911]

Ok Guy’s,
I’ve been thinking about this for a couple days now, the system could work as follows,
We apply on line and pay $10 for ten years with any insta pay that you prefer so the clock starts ticking immediately,
The monies are direct deposited so that there is no bank or out of state employees involved.  
The ISP does the NICS background only; once this is done (in less than 30 days) they send you a renewal like the kind you get when your DL is due.  
You take it to the SOS office there they conform your renewal with their database and then they take your picture accepting your current card and your current drivers license as proof, you are issued one of two cards either of or both your choice.  The first choice would be another form of the state ID card with a firearms “endorsement on the card”.  The second card choice would simply be an ID card with only your picture and your FOID number and nothing else.  Remember Lovely Lisa Madigan and our politicians have told us that personal information relating to the FOID is protected.  
Do you get where I’m going with this? A card with only your picture your FOID number and it’s a legal ID, Every time your required to show ID you show legal proof  with no name and address.    

[Xwing]

I agree with removing the photo requirement.  They just throw it away anyway!

And it might be nice to specifically allow new residents to possess firearms for a "grace period" it takes to apply and receive a FOID.  From my understanding, it's a gray area right now.  It would be good to specifically allow it.

[Gunslinger]

I'm seriously shocked that members on here think this is acceptable. You guys are acting like the FOID would be okay if things about it were fixed. It's a poll tax and nothing more. It's going to make it so much harder to get rid of if the system works.

[TFC]

KingWalleye, on 11 July 2012 - 06:47 PM, said:

Is this just another distraction and delay of ccw?

Kind of like the ccw taskforce. They claim the system is broken in order to deny a way to implement ccw.

Looks that way doesn't it? Using the "look at this shiny thing," is a pretty common tact in politics.
Distraction or stall, the effect is the same.... denial.

[bsachnoff]

I agree with TFC and KingWalleye....  This is another distraction that we can waste time on instead of focusing on CCW.

[Gunslinger]

bsachnoff, on 18 July 2012 - 12:42 AM, said:

I agree with TFC and KingWalleye....  This is another distraction that we can waste time on instead of focusing on CCW.

+1 if you can't get rid of it just leave it how it is, time is money and money is time and both are resources that anyone working on this could be using for concealed carry

[Jason4567]

I'm going to have to agree too. It needs to go completely, but barring that, I don't think there is too many issues except it taking too long, which is already in the law.

[357]

FOID= License and Registration and has turned our right into a privilege which can be delayed and denayed which is unconstitutional and should be repealed ASAP. Why do we have to pay and wait months to get a license to exercise a right? Why is state police keeping a database whithout the approval of the state legislature when we purchase a firearm, which is registration and can be used one day by some CAGE unit. Foid was designed 45 years ago so the antis could eventually take away our right.

[8x57]

Why can't we use this as a bargaining chip?  The State has a report that says FOID is broken and the Machine realizes they need to do something to fix it.  Now is the time to demand that we get HB5745 before discussing fixes for the problems identified in the FOID report.  That way Quinn, Madigan, and Chicago constituency will take the heat over their broken FOID system (which was their predecessors' idea in the first place) until they are willing to give in on the carry bill(s).

There is nothing so terrible about FOID that we can't live with for a while longer.  Yeah the delays in issuing the card are annoying.  However, the only real problem (as identified in the report) is that it has not accomplished its purpose of keeping guns away from the bad guys.  While problematic for society as a whole, that's not something that can or will ever be fixed.

So I'm all for refusing to touch the FOID law until we get the carry bill(s).  And no, I don't live in the southern part of the state.

[TFC]

8x57, on 24 July 2012 - 04:21 PM, said:

Why can't we use this as a bargaining chip?  The State has a report that says FOID is broken and the Machine realizes they need to do something to fix it.  Now is the time to demand that we get HB5745 before discussing fixes for the problems identified in the FOID report.  That way Quinn, Madigan, and Chicago constituency will take the heat over their broken FOID system (which was their predecessors' idea in the first place) until they are willing to give in on the carry bill(s).

There is nothing so terrible about FOID that we can't live with for a while longer.  Yeah the delays in issuing the card are annoying.  However, the only real problem (as identified in the report) is that it has not accomplished its purpose of keeping guns away from the bad guys.  While problematic for society as a whole, that's not something that can or will ever be fixed.

So I'm all for refusing to touch the FOID law until we get the carry bill(s).  And no, I don't live in the southern part of the state.

You need to be politically astute to do that.
We've had many bargaining chips in Springfield. For some reason no one wants to use them.
Down state can hold the casino issue over Chicago's head to get them to back off of CCW.
Did we? No.... All kinds of funding can be held up in Chicago if we had some politicians on this side of the issue willing to
turn the anti's tactics against them.

[moon]

get rid of FOID card period.  You needn't pass a background check to simply touch ammo.  Stupid.