147 replies to this topic

[Tvandermyde]

I have an upcoming meeting to talk over changes to the FOId Act.

Now beofore a bunch jump up and down on we need to repeal it, i understand that. But i also know that we are short votes to do so at this time. So what are things that we should look at changing in it?

Keep is simple and practical. I don't need to waste my time with FOID needs to be a carry permit and such. functional changes that will make it better for gun owners is what i am looking for. I will be working on my own list but want to make sure I don't overlook something.

[Bud]

I think 10 years and a $10.00 fee is the best we're going to get. I think they will try to get rid of the 30 day application process and change it to "as soon as we can process it" and that's the only thing I think you should insist on preserving. The law was passed and the ISP is required to obey it. It's up to them to either streamline their process or hire enough people to so it.

[Davey]

Allow FFLs in the state to perform the background checks and print out the cards themselves?  Turn a 30+ day process into maybe a couple hour trip to the gun store?

Edited by Davey, 06 July 2012 - 10:05 AM.

[citrix_guy]

Bud, on 06 July 2012 - 10:02 AM, said:

I think 10 years and a $10.00 fee is the best we're going to get. I think they will try to get rid of the 30 day application process and change it to "as soon as we can process it" and that's the only thing I think you should insist on preserving. The law was passed and the ISP is required to obey it. It's up to them to either streamline their process or hire enough people to so it.

I would also push for this to be online... I mean just having done mine last year I KNOW that they dont use the photo you send them (and pay for). Why make me take the photo? They OBVIOUSLY use your DL photo. If you have a DL number and all that info why not do it right online? Faster, better, etc.

But the sending in of the photo is stupid. Why do they make you do that if they dont use it? and dont tell me they keep it somewhere. They have electronic photos with my face as I can tell by them using my DL photo on my FOID

[Sharpie]

Eliminate the need to send in a photo since they just use the one from the DL database anyway.  Save people some time and/or money.

(the above post was posted while I was typing)

Edited by Sharpie, 06 July 2012 - 10:30 AM.

[lockman]

I have a simple one.

Remove the requirement that you must have the card in your possession while possessing a firearm or ammunition .

Example: I have ammunition in my car all the time but don't necessarily have the firearm or the FOID. My wife may take the car and not have her purse with the FOID. LEO's already have access to this info.

[zukeeper]

I agree , on line would be nice , and sending in a photo they don't use is odd

[stm]

Waiting periods. Can we reduce or eliminate them, especially when trading one pistol for another?

FOID must be issued within 30 days? Any way to put some teeth in this? For example, a letter of denial OR a temporary letter of approval (that serves as a FOID) must be issued within 30 days if the background check is not completed.

Grace period for new Illinois residents to get a FOID within 60 days of moving in to the state.

Grace period for recently expired FOID.

Waiting period and FOID requirements waived by court order for persons protected by an order of protection.

FOID need not be in a person's possession in order to merely possess firearms or ammunition. Police can check state database to see if someone has a valid FOID issued.

As far as I am concerned, a FOID should not be required at all to merely possess guns &  ammo. It should be strictly used as a permit to purchase.

[Tvandermyde]

lockman, on 06 July 2012 - 10:37 AM, said:

I have a simple one.

Remove the requirement that you must have the card in your possession while possessing a firearm or ammunition .

Example: I have ammunition in my car all the time but don't necessarily have the firearm or the FOID. My wife may take the car and not have her purse with the FOID. LEO's already have access to this info.

Lockman that one got fixed 12 years ago. i will explain a bit later I am pressed on time right now

[RandyP]

I would like to see an elimination of the silly waiting period - as residents in Indiana and many other States enjoy.

The process as it stands is relatively affordable and simple - I agree that they only use the photo to see if it matches your DL picture - a waste of time on a renewal in my opinion. Online renewals would also be a bonus. We can often renew our DL that way, why not an FOID?

Edited by RandyP, 06 July 2012 - 11:35 AM.

[Tvandermyde]

waiting periods have nothing to do with FOID

[Rem870]

Make it a valid form of state ID

[Uncle Harley]

I personally like the FOID for when I sell to individules,  it allows me to cover my own ass,  but I think it's undoubtably stupid for sales through licensed gun dealers. so, maybe do away with the FOID requirements  or  waiting periods for sales through licensed Gun dealers only. since they are required to do an instant background check. They can keep if for people  who sell person to person, so the seller has reasonable guarentee that the person they are selling to is a legal owner and can cover their own butt .  But ultimatly be sure to drive the idea home that it is antiquated technology  that has out lived it's purpose.

[mauserme]

The FOID card is very much like NICS in that it is a system used to identify persons not legally able to own/purchase a firearm.  NICS, however, has a provision that if the background check cannot be completed within 3 days the sale may proceed.

Change the FOID Act to be more like NICS - the card shall be issued not later than the 30th day after receipt of the application instead of upon completion of the background check.


Edited to add suggested wording:

(430 ILCS 65/5) (from Ch. 38, par. 83-5)

Sec. 5. The Department of State Police shall issue either approve or deny all FOID cards applications within 30 days from the date they are the application and $10 fee are received unless, within the 30 day period, the applicant is found to be inelgible.  and every applicant found qualified pursuant to Section 8 of this Act by the Department shall be entitled to a Firearm Owner's Identification Card upon the payment of a $10 fee

Edited by mauserme, 06 July 2012 - 12:59 PM.

[junglebob]

For new residents how about automatic issuing of a FOID card and right to posess firearms til it arrives if you have another states license to carry.  You've already gone through a background check.

[Gbbear]

Sharpie, on 06 July 2012 - 10:30 AM, said:

Eliminate the need to send in a photo since they just use the one from the DL database anyway.  Save people some time and/or money.

I believe the reason for sending in a photo is to compare with the DL to determine that the applicant is the same that Sec State has on file.  Since the Sec State already has your photo digitized, ISP doesn't have to reinvent the wheel by scanning in your photo, cropping, etc.

Edited by Gbbear, 06 July 2012 - 11:58 AM.

[Uncle Harley]

SInce and NCIS check takes Ohhh a whole two minutes,  how about renewals at the   DMV or designated area like local courthouse.   Go in,  you give them your old FOID   they do a check and 5 min later print you off a new card.   The technology is there.   If they need money to upgrade to it,   CC permits should cover it ;0) lol

[Uncle Harley]

Uncle Harley, on 06 July 2012 - 12:01 PM, said:

SInce and NCIS check takes Ohhh a whole two minutes,  how about renewals at the   DMV or designated area like local courthouse.   Go in,  you give them your old FOID   they do a check and 5 min later print you off a new card.   The technology is there.   If they need money to upgrade to it,   CC permits should cover it ;0) lol

Hell since they already have connection with the DMV database for Photos,  take it one step further,  Just make it an endorsement on your drivers license.

Edit:  don't they already do a background check for a drivers license anyways?   I have a buddy that gets arrested everytime he re-news his license because  a man in florida with same name and DOB is wanted for felonies.    When the police arive and realize he's not black and he's about 2 ft shorter than the guy who's wanted they let him go,  it's happened so many times, he now  calls his local police and has them call ahead to the DMV so they know he's coming and he's not the one who shows up in their system.

Edited by Uncle Harley, 06 July 2012 - 12:09 PM.

[Tvandermyde]

Uncle --

on the face that sounds good. but when you work through it, not so much.

First off does anyone think SoS is a better place to be doing this? Anyone ever have issues witht he lines and such tryign to get their DL renewed?

As for the endorsement, what happens when you have to give up your license as bond for a ticket?

[Uncle Harley]

Tvandermyde, on 06 July 2012 - 12:22 PM, said:

Uncle --

on the face that sounds good. but when you work through it, not so much.

First off does anyone think SoS is a better place to be doing this? Anyone ever have issues witht he lines and such tryign to get their DL renewed?

As for the endorsement, what happens when you have to give up your license as bond for a ticket?

IMO a  2 hr wait beats 90- 160  days,   and do they still do that with tickets? I have never had to give up my license as bond for a ticket,  always just promise to appear.   Even so, the ticket should have the DL number on it, and can easily be traced as to what indorsements one has the beat cops should already be trained and understand the process for someone driving on a ticket ............Just my .02

Edit:  I should have  said I havn't had to give up a license for bond since they went digital.

Edited by Uncle Harley, 06 July 2012 - 12:33 PM.

[Uncle Harley]

Why don't you put up a poll as to what some of the ideas are, that way  we get a chance to voice our opinion on what options you plan to bring to the table.   just a thought.

[mikew]

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Eliminate the need to send in a photo since they just use the one from the DL database anyway.  Save people some time and/or money.

Eliminate the need to attach a physical photo if using their "Smart Foid App" version of the PDF.

Over two years ago I demonstrated to the head of the FOID bureau
the ability to have the PDF accept a digital photo into the form,
by creating an image box over the place where the photo goes.

When you print the application from the PDF, then your photo is printed right there.
The head of the FOID bureau noted that sometimes the photos fall off of the application,
that this would remove that possiblity.
He gave me permission to use a hacked version of the form.
If a FOID app arrives with the picture printed on it, they will accept it if sized correctly like a taped on one.
I know they will accept it because my sister used my hacked version of the app,
and the head of the FOID bureau has since told me that she is not the only one whose app arrived with a photo printed on it.

However, I showed this to them over two years ago, and they have since updated the form twice, but without including this feature.
It would cost them nothing to add this, they already have the correct version of Acrobat to create the form with the image box.

I was going to post the PDF here, but I wanted to update it to be the version that only accepts the last four digits of the optional SSN.

[Uncle Harley]

I also know that OH and KY both do this with their CCW.   Any officer instantly knows when they run a driver's  license if they have ccw.  That is  another reason I think it would work with FOID.

[Jeff Johnson]

I have nothing helpful to suggest because it is already worse than unneccessary.
How can it have any supporters if it obviously doesn't work and costs the state a bunch of money they don't have?
If we can't get enough votes to abolish the FOID, then how in the hell can be anywhere close to getting CCW? Huh?
(sorry, maybe this heat is making me cranky)

[boomersand]

Get rid of the waiting period to buy a handgun with a FOID.  10 years and 10$ is prolly about the best we are going to see.   That is what the permit to carry should me.

[abolt243]

boomersand, on 06 July 2012 - 12:51 PM, said:

Get rid of the waiting period to buy a handgun with a FOID.  10 years and 10$ is prolly about the best we are going to see.   That is what the permit to carry should me.

Guys!!!

As Todd said, the waiting periods have nothing to do with the FOID act. Two completely different chapters in the statutes.  430 ILCS for the FOID, 720 ILCS for the Criminal code which contains the waiting period language.

Getting rid of waiting periods will be another step by step thing.  After CC, then no waiting if you have CC.  Then on down from there.

It's a pain, but is down on the priority list.

Tim

[colt-45]

how about once you have a foid it's good for life.

[Lou]

I'd like to see a penalty if the application is not processed within the 30 day "requirement."  
A requirement with no penalty for noncompliance is not really a requirement.

I'd say go for $10 penalty for every business day beyond 30 days.

[msmbs]

Valid FOID card should mean no waiting period.Waiting for the card should cover that so that when the dealer get the OK on transaction,we the buyer should be able to walk out the door with our purchase.

[Uncle Harley]

Maybe they should make reading a requirement of getting a FOID.   LMAO!    I know  I said it too in my first post, but I was typing at the same time Todd was!