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[Patriots & Tyrants]

http://www.chicagotr...,5985547.column

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If you've got some clothes you don't need anymore, you can give them to Goodwill or theSalvation Army. If you have an old car, you can call various organizations to take it away. And if you're in Chicago and have a gun that's burning a hole in your pocket, you can get rid of it June 23, no questions asked.
The city government has a great fondness for gun turn-in events. It's done six of them in the past six years, collecting more than 23,000 weapons. This one will be held at 23 churches, and anyone handing over a firearm will get a $100 gift card. The guns will then be destroyed.

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Contrary to Daley, most people who own guns never use them for anything but legal purposes (hunting, target shooting, self-defense). Contrary to Emanuel, the weapons this sort of venture yields are probably not the ones carried in the streets or the ones used in crimes. The reduction also represents a minuscule share of the firearms in the city, which may number over a million.
Think about it: Who is most likely to turn in a firearm for a $100 reward? Someone with 1) a cheap gun and 2) no criminal propensity — say, Aunt Millie disposing of a rusty revolver her late husband left in the nightstand.

Another article that blows holes in a typical "Anti" position, that gun buybacks work and are anything but a waste of money.
At this rate we are going to have a front page story calling for RTC in no time. Could the trib really become the unlikely Allie of the second amendment?

[Lou]

I've got a few more of my legally bought firearms that will be turned in at St. Sabina's on the 23rd.

All of Bud's firearms are at the bottom of the ocean and all of mine can be directly linked to Fadder Snuffy.

Man, ya gotta love the liberal mentality!

[mrpapageorgio]

Well.........anybody got any boat anchors they won't mind departing with for more money than it's worth? lol

[ike]

Wonder what would happen if someone setup outside of a buyback site and offered a quick look and let them know if the gun was better off in a buyback or taken to a dealer for real money.Sure would hate to see Smiths,Colts and 3 screw Blackhawks end up in Rahms collectiont be destroyed

[C0untZer0]

The gun buy-backs are like government price fixing of firearms.

Why would any gun shop sell their hardly-working Jimenex / Davis / Raven derelicts for less than $100 when they know they can just wait and turn them in?

I know a pawn shop that is selling a Lorcin for $75.00 but it's hardly worth the drive out there to get it and then drive into the city to sell it.

[Uncle Harley]

ike, on 16 June 2012 - 07:08 PM, said:

Wonder what would happen if someone setup outside of a buyback site and offered a quick look and let them know if the gun was better off in a buyback or taken to a dealer for real money.Sure would hate to see Smiths,Colts and 3 screw Blackhawks end up in Rahms collectiont be destroyed

they do that in texas

[Uncle Harley]

dang wish I had more notice,  I'd got buy every POS non working gun I could find for under $50  and go make a profit  LOL

[GarandCollector]

I have a friend that owns a gun shop and he brings worthless guns to sell at the Chicago buy backs.  Not a single one of them is worth $40 and he gets a $100 gift card for each one.

[Uncle Harley]

GarandCollector, on 16 June 2012 - 08:40 PM, said:

I have a friend that owns a gun shop and he brings worthless guns to sell at the Chicago buy backs.  Not a single one of them is worth $40 and he gets a $100 gift card for each one.

He should start a buyback program with an ffl he could take immediate delivery heck Illinoiscarry should do a counter buyback and thensell them for a profit

[TFC]

And on top of everything else...
http://www.huffingto..._n_1602692.html
Well done father Pflaiger and Rev. Jackson, Madigan clan, and not to forget our idiot mayors.
It's this is so, in part due to your efforts.

[C0untZer0]

Nice to see my Tec-9M made a media appearance.

[sleepercaprice1]

I took several inoperable rusty pieces of unsafe junk to a turn-in program a few years ago and used the proceeds to buy a new shotgun. I thought it was a pretty good deal.

[Drylok]

ike, on 16 June 2012 - 07:08 PM, said:

Wonder what would happen if someone setup outside of a buyback site and offered a quick look and let them know if the gun was better off in a buyback or taken to a dealer for real money.Sure would hate to see Smiths,Colts and 3 screw Blackhawks end up in Rahms collectiont be destroyed

A 2A group did that out in I believe PA. They set up down the street, offered closer to the real value of the firearms the PD was offering. Then they fixed them up and resold them to law abiding citizens who didn't really have the money to buy a gun at the retail prices. The antis were not happy

[milq]

Drylok, on 17 June 2012 - 12:03 PM, said:

ike, on 16 June 2012 - 07:08 PM, said:

Wonder what would happen if someone setup outside of a buyback site and offered a quick look and let them know if the gun was better off in a buyback or taken to a dealer for real money.Sure would hate to see Smiths,Colts and 3 screw Blackhawks end up in Rahms collectiont be destroyed

A 2A group did that out in I believe PA. They set up down the street, offered closer to the real value of the firearms the PD was offering. Then they fixed them up and resold them to law abiding citizens who didn't really have the money to buy a gun at the retail prices. The antis were not happy

What about firearms that turn out to be stolen? Seems like that might be an issue.

[Yas]

If a FFL were to buy a stolen firearm, it should go to custody of the police. Chain of evidence may tie it up depending on if it was ever used in another crime (ballistics link to another crime)  If just stolen from a household robbery and not used in traceable crime to date, Owner might get it back.  Depends if an insurance claim was paid off on the loss or not.   If It was settled by insurance, technically it becomes property of the insurance company as the owner.




This is just in the thought that someone with a FFL opens up a tailgate somewhere nearby a buyback......

I know theres been a loophole for widows in selling departed husbands firearms (meaning the widows may not possess an FOID) Wasn't it something like 30 days?
Whats regulations/ illinois laws on FFL's buying firearms from non FFL's .  Did the legislature lock it down to the seller must have a FOID to a FFL?

We know private sales in Illinois, both party's must have valid FOID's.

[Indigo]

Yas, on 18 June 2012 - 07:59 AM, said:

This is just in the thought that someone with a FFL opens up a tailgate somewhere nearby a buyback......

I know theres been a loophole for widows in selling departed husbands firearms (meaning the widows may not possess an FOID) Wasn't it something like 30 days?
Whats regulations/ illinois laws on FFL's buying firearms from non FFL's .  Did the legislature lock it down to the seller must have a FOID to a FFL?

We know private sales in Illinois, both party's must have valid FOID's.

Some years ago I wrote to then-Cook County State's Attorney Dick Devine objecting to some gun buy-backs being held by ministers of black churches.  I quoted the restrictions listed in the state law, and suggested that the buy-backs were contrary to the law.  I got a response from an administrative aide who spouted the politically-correct mush of "benefitting the community" and "under police supervision".  

Never did admit that it was contrary to the law.  Bottom-line: it's only illegal if WE say it's illegal.  This is a public service.  So shut up and do as we say!  

Just try being the FFL setting up shop on the street (even with a cop buddy present) as see how quickly the many blue lights show up.  You'll get tickets for everything from being parked too far out from the curb to mopery with intent to gawk.  And then they'll arrest you and confiscate the "arsenal" in the car.  Even if the State's Attorney finds that there are no chargeable offenses, you'll spend at least the day in jail, and you'll NEVER see the guns again.  The ATF will show up at your shop to audit your FFL operations, and the IRS will probably audit your tax returns for the last 7 years.

And to do this in CHICAGO?  The violations of the City bans against operating a gun shop, possession of unregistered handguns, etc, etc, etc.  - you'd never see sunshine again, except out the windows of the prisoner transport bus going to and from court.

[C0untZer0]

IMO another way of looking at this is exploiting seniors.

It is mostly seniors with little or no knowledge of gun values that are turning these things in.  Some of them turn in weapons that are worth several times what they are worth..

Does the city have an appraiser there ?  No.  Many of these seniors have made the decision to turn in their guns, and that's fine.  What's wrong with the city suppling someone there to tell them it's not in their interest to sell it for 100 bucks and give them a card with 10 or 12 gun store addresses on it?  Except - that's part of the racket the city has going.  How easy is it for these seniors to actually get to gun store to get an estimate on their weapons?  For someone that has to take public transportation, not only is expensive, but it's risky.  How many could get to a suburban gun store without risking a UUW charge?  Or more likely an AGGRAVATED UUW ?

They are ripping off seniors.

What stops them from doing the same thing with jewelry or antiques, or cars.

They're ripping people off but making themselves out to look like heros making our streets safer.

I

[miztic]

C0untZer0, on 18 June 2012 - 11:29 AM, said:

IMO another way of looking at this is exploiting seniors.

It is mostly seniors with little or no knowledge of gun values that are turning these things in.  Some of them turn in weapons that are worth several times what they are worth..

Does the city have an appraiser there ?  No.  Many of these seniors have made the decision to turn in their guns, and that's fine.  What's wrong with the city suppling someone there to tell them it's not in their interest to sell it for 100 bucks and give them a card with 10 or 12 gun store addresses on it?  Except - that's part of the racket the city has going.  How easy is it for these seniors to actually get to gun store to get an estimate on their weapons?  For someone that has to take public transportation, not only is expensive, but it's risky.  How many could get to a suburban gun store without risking a UUW charge?  Or more likely an AGGRAVATED UUW ?

They are ripping off seniors.

What stops them from doing the same thing with jewelry or antiques, or cars.

They're ripping people off but making themselves out to look like heros making our streets safer.

I

The only thing that is marginally in their favor on this is that they destroy the guns, not cherry pick the valuable ones and keep the profits for themselves. They aren't making any money on the misguided scheme, so I can sort of give them a pass on that. Nobody is forcing anybody to sell their guns to a buyback.

[richp]

Hi,

Would anyone like to take a bet on whether the really valuable weapons are actually destroyed?

FWIW


Rich Phillips

Edited by richp, 18 June 2012 - 02:13 PM.

[Jeffrey]

richp, on 18 June 2012 - 02:13 PM, said:

Hi,

Would anyone like to take a bet on whether the really valuable weapons are actually destroyed?

FWIW


Rich Phillips

Valuable has too many meanings.

Valuable to us might be a nice original Colt.
Valuable to the criminal is one with a body on it.  Easy way to scrap the evidence and get paid for it at the same time.

[richp]

Hi Jeffrey,

I take it for granted that some junkers used in crime will be disposed of this way. What I was referring to was the temptation presented to those involved in the buy-back, and the subsequent handling of the firearms, to divert the non-junkers for personal benefit.

It would be really interesting for the Tribune or some other organization to investigate the controls and inventory procedures used at the buy-in site itself, as well as the procedures in place to safeguard them from the initial point of transfer to actual destruction.

FWIW.

Rich Phillips

[Buzzard]

What can I do with an older Bushnell banner scope?

[stm]

Do they check to see if any of them are stolen? If so, do they attempt to return them to their rightful owners?

[Yas]

I did a St Sabina turn-in a few years back.

Everything turned in is tagged. Including bb guns.   There is no information that corresponds with who turned them but they are eventually run thru crime labs to see if any were crime weapons. Tagging the weapons also probably helps deter officers from being tempted in finding good homes for some goodies.  I've never heard the CPD accused of walking any turn-ins thankfully.

[Helpdesk9]

Buzzard, on 18 June 2012 - 03:15 PM, said:

What can I do with an older Bushnell banner scope?

I'm doing a turn-in for those
Sent from my NSA spy satellite.

[Howard Roark]

Yas, on 18 June 2012 - 08:08 PM, said:

I did a St Sabina turn-in a few years back.

Everything turned in is tagged. Including bb guns.   There is no information that corresponds with who turned them but they are eventually run thru crime labs to see if any were crime weapons. Tagging the weapons also probably helps deter officers from being tempted in finding good homes for some goodies.  I've never heard the CPD accused of walking any turn-ins thankfully.

Woudn't it be irresponsible of the police to fail to record the license plate, vehicle info, and general description of the driver?  I think they must be recording that information too.  If somebody drive in with a M2 machine gun or a .50 Barrett, that the police wouldn't record anything about who turned them in.   Of course, that's just academic because nobody turns in guns like that and the whole thing is just political kabuki meant to make a statement about guns being bad for non-LEO.

Here is info about the time and place of the buy-backs (this Saturday June 23):

http://www.ssacop.co...uy-Back-Program

[Yas]

I was suspicious,  There was no filming in the area of the turn ins.  There was a radio station doing a broadcast at St Sabinas that day and they were kept in another room. Line formed outside the building, they would let groups of 5 into the basement where 5 officers present (1 per person let in) would verify whatever it was was unloaded and it was then removed from the table to card board box's on the floor where each item was tagged and put into an inventory list for the crime lab.

Example would be "Heres a tagged revolver serial number (if it had one), tag number X10932.. " and another officer writing it on a master list.

You would then move down to the table where the debit cards were given. No names asked, nothing.  Just a verification from each tagging officer as to what was turned in  Generically announced as Pistol, rifle, bb gun so the proper amount was given to the person. No corresponding info was recorded in conjunction with whatever was turned in. No cross-referenced evidence number lining up with the given debt card.

  No officers waiting in black helicopters or unmarked squads idling at the exits ready to give chase to anyone. Just one SGT busy directing others still waiting to get in.  Of course I believe Sabinas now has security cameras due to vandalism a year or two ago, and there are some Blue light cameras in the neighborhood.

I do recall one of the officers saying Drat I forgot the wd40 with a old man turning in an old beat up 22. (that gives you the idea of what gets turned in on average).  Mostly old ladies turning in old revolvers to get those evil things out of the house.  And just plain people turning in junk.

You later called a 800 number to activate the card.  No names were asked there.  You could have called from a pay phone to activate it. Its pretty much a feel good publicity event.  Last one Chicago had , some of the members here thought they had some old weapons displayed from a older turn in but it wasn't proven.



If they ever busted someone at a turn in that would be a PR nuclear bomb.   Those turn-ins are advertised as no questions asked with immunity/ amnesty to any bringing in guns.

Edited by Yas, 18 June 2012 - 10:12 PM.

[Patriots & Tyrants]

I think that the serial numbers of these guns by law should be recorded and if the gun is stolen some attempt should be made to re-unite it with the owner.

If the cops recover a stolen car...they can't just junk it can they? They need to run the VIN and see who it belongs to.

[Xwing]

Gun "turn ins" are nothing but feel-good exercises for antis.   They do no good to anyone.

[bradford]

Has anyone considered going to one of these turn-in centers and hanging out outside with a stack of cash to cherry pick the good stuff?  

Wouldn't my $100 (or even $120) cash be preferable to their $100 gift card to most people looking to trade something decent in?  I wonder if CPD would show up and hassle you for that...