il.bill Posted June 16, 2012 at 12:43 AM Posted June 16, 2012 at 12:43 AM Oh my goodness! Everywhere I looked on the Intertubes people warned me about getting an 03 FFL C&R license. They were right.. I sent in my application to the ATF with credit card info and a copy to my local chief of police.on April 24th. The card was charged within a week, so every day in May I anxiously checked my mail - nothing. Then on June 4th, at the 45 day point, I happened to see a non-descript looking envelope with a weird return address (it almost looked like junk mail, but it had first class postage), and there it was - my C&R 03 FFL had arrived. What a sweet way to start a week! I immediately made numerous unsigned copies (including three on my color printer just for kicks) and put the original away. The large envelope with C&R information came in the mail the next day. After what I thought was an enormous display of restraint (mostly for my wife's reassurance), I faxed a signed copy of my new federal license to several online MilSurp sellers exactly a week later. Having spent the last few months drooling on my keyboard in researching potential purchases, I new what I wanted, and ordered a pair of CZ 82 pistols from Widener's. Here is where the 'Oh my goodness' part comes in. After confirming by phone their receipt of my 03 FFL, I placed an online order late Tuesday night (it was probably very early Wednesday morning, but in my excitement I could not say for sure). The website never showed me any order info except that it was being 'processed'. This morning I called them up, and a nice lady said' "Well let me see. That order was shipped 'second day air' by UPS on Wednesday and should arrive today" (Friday). Sure enough, my friendly local UPS driver jumped out of his truck after lunch and with a smile and said: "Looks like you have a new toy!" Inside the box were a pair of CZ 82 semi-automatic pistols with holsters (a bit goofy looking, but brand new leather), an extra magazine each, as well as cleaning rod and lanyard, for < $236 each delivered to my door! NO local dealer FFL transfer fee and NO 72 hour Illinois waiting period after the NICS call is made! One of the pistols is in better cosmetic shape than I had hoped - just some minor scratches and holster wear on one side of the slide, but no wear evident on the feed ramp or around the breech face at all. It looks very good to me, and I am happy with it. The other pistol looks for all purposes to be brand new. Not a scratch on it - not even on the slide rails or the bottom horizontal portion of the slide (do not know the correct name of that part of the pistol - sorry). Even my wife, when looking at the two firearms said: "Humph. Wow!" Then I took a quick look at GunBroker.com, and sure enough, my lower than expected bid for a C&R elligible Walther P1 was the winner. Where does this end? Burn the credit cards. Oh my goodness! PS - pictures will be posted tonight or tomorrow when I get a chance. Do not know when I will get to fire them, since first I will need some 9x18mm Makarov ammo (I hear it is fairly inexpensive). I am not collecting thinking I will get rich on appreciation of value. I just like guns. I can't help but wonder about that $189 Radom P64 on ClassicFirearms. It takes the 9x18mm Makarov too, doesn't it? Hmmm...what about a Bulgarian Makarov? 03 FFL applicant beware!
vess1 Posted June 16, 2012 at 12:58 AM Posted June 16, 2012 at 12:58 AM Sounds awesome! I was expecting to hear some horror story about federal agents harrassing you. Instead, just a man on a shopping spree. Sent from my Motorola Electrify using Tapatalk 2
lee n. field Posted June 16, 2012 at 01:32 AM Posted June 16, 2012 at 01:32 AM "Well let me see. That order was shipped 'second day air' by UPS on Wednesday and should arrive today" Interesting. Is a C&R FFL holder able to ship non-C&R firearms, the ways a regular FFL can? IE, not expensive next day shipping. If so, it would be worth having, just on that account. (I spent over $60 to send my tiny little PF9 to the mothership a few weeks ago.)
rott Posted June 16, 2012 at 01:38 AM Posted June 16, 2012 at 01:38 AM The temptation is worse when you have an 01 FFL......
il.bill Posted June 16, 2012 at 05:29 AM Author Posted June 16, 2012 at 05:29 AM Is a C&R FFL holder able to ship non-C&R firearms, the ways a regular FFL can? IE, not expensive next day shipping. If so, it would be worth having, just on that account. (I spent over $60 to send my tiny little PF9 to the mothership a few weeks ago.) As I understand it, that is the rub about having an 03 FFL. When shipping a C&R item, I can NOT use the relatively inexpensive USPS, but must use a common carrier. That means UPS or FedEx, and they have policies in place that require expedited shipping by air. When shipping a non-C&R firearm, an 03 FFL is just like any other Joe Citizen. Only an actual FFL dealer can get a break on the cost of shipping.
il.bill Posted June 16, 2012 at 05:32 AM Author Posted June 16, 2012 at 05:32 AM The temptation is worse when you have an 01 FFL...... At least with an 01 FFL you are expected to be trying to make a profit with the business on the buying and selling of firearms. An 03 FFL holder has no such excuse to try to explain his latest purchase to his wife.
rott Posted June 16, 2012 at 12:23 PM Posted June 16, 2012 at 12:23 PM The temptation is worse when you have an 01 FFL...... At least with an 01 FFL you are expected to be trying to make a profit with the business on the buying and selling of firearms. An 03 FFL holder has no such excuse to try to explain his latest purchase to his wife.You bring up a good point...I can buy anything and tell the wife, "hey, it's for the business". Then when it doesn't sell, I just keep it!
drdoom Posted June 16, 2012 at 01:23 PM Posted June 16, 2012 at 01:23 PM Yeah, imagine if you were running a good title II business, lol
GarandFan Posted June 16, 2012 at 03:04 PM Posted June 16, 2012 at 03:04 PM PS - pictures will be posted tonight or tomorrow when I get a chance. Do not know when I will get to fire them, since first I will need some 9x18mm Makarov ammo (I hear it is fairly inexpensive). I am not collecting thinking I will get rich on appreciation of value. I just like guns. I can't help but wonder about that $189 Radom P64 on ClassicFirearms. It takes the 9x18mm Makarov too, doesn't it? Hmmm...what about a Bulgarian Makarov? Good to hear it. The Russian FMJ works great in those CZ82s and can usually be found for under $10 per box of 50. If you want to use them for defensive purposes, I'd recomment Hornady's XTP. Runs flawlessly through my two CZ82s. Yes, the P64 takes 9x18 ammunition, as do the P83s. The latter, however, are not C&R.
Kaeghl Posted June 16, 2012 at 04:15 PM Posted June 16, 2012 at 04:15 PM Not to hijack, but on a slightly related topic, since I relied heavily on surplusrifle.com for getting my C&R, what ever happened to that site? When did they go down, and is there any other site that can help new crufflers as well as they did? just asking.
Kenny Posted June 18, 2012 at 12:16 AM Posted June 18, 2012 at 12:16 AM Wait until you get an 01 and business is so good out of your basement you have to open up a real store, then you figure you are opening a store why not have a range attached to it! You get a call from a distributor saying " I just got some SCAR 17,s in" me- how many? Distributor- "four" me- I will take all of them! Then 20 min later another distributor calls with 3 Barrett Rec-7's take all of them too!! And it never stops! I am wondering how it is going to go when I mail in my SOT forms! I already have my eye on a full auto mini uzi! Sent from my Motorola Electrify using Tapatalk 2
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