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[Hatchet]

Every time I see a new post in here, I get my hopes up. Then there dashed just as quick.

[Danielm60660]

When this comes in, it won't be a new post. It'll be 10 new pages of posts no matter how it gets decided.

[miztic]

There is an RSS feed link on the right side of that page, i have it right in my bookmarks toolbar, so I can click [every 5 minutes ] and see if anything has happened yet.

Since ours was one of the last cases heard, would it stand to reason that it's also one of the last cases they rule on? So my money is on the ruling coming in on Aug 8th exactly.

[Sigma]

Im trying to figure out where he was trying to go with the guns in bars thing. how do you think that would be written in an opinion

[mauserme]

Sigma, on 11 July 2012 - 03:03 PM, said:

Im trying to figure out where he was trying to go with the guns in bars thing. how do you think that would be written in an opinion

I thought that was more about Posner hoping the get an admission from Gura that some interest balancing might be acceptable, than about bars per se.  I'm glad Gura stood his ground even if it did get awkward.

[drdoom]

And don't forget, 10 more pages on how to 'lawfully' conceal carry your firearm, throughout various cities in IL!

[Tvandermyde]

I think it was Posner trying to be a super legislator. Remember he asked what advise they should give the legislature.

I think a good answer would have been,:

Your honor, Illinois has a seperate statute about possessing a gun in a bar and we are not here to challenge that. What you ask about sounds more like a regulation than the total prohibition we are seekign to overturn here today. If the law is found unconsitututional and the legislature were to pass a carry law, there will be time enough to deicide of they have colored inside or outside of the lines of the Second Amendment, but that is not before today.

[scough]

Tvandermyde, on 12 July 2012 - 07:14 AM, said:

I think it was Posner trying to be a super legislator. Remember he asked what advise they should give the legislature.

I think a good answer would have been,:

Your honor, Illinois has a seperate statute about possessing a gun in a bar and we are not here to challenge that. What you ask about sounds more like a regulation than the total prohibition we are seekign to overturn here today. If the law is found unconsitututional and the legislature were to pass a carry law, there will be time enough to deicide of they have colored inside or outside of the lines of the Second Amendment, but that is not before today.

While hindsight is always 20/20, this is a perfect response. However, I will say that whole transaction was definitely ackward and I would have thought Gura would have been prepared for a boundry question, and be ready to rein back the discussion as suggested above.  Hopefully he doesn't fall into that trap again if this thing get bounced anywhere else.

[C0untZer0]

I think that the judges' questions also give us a heads up of how much releif we can expect from the courts

We're not going to get relief from the courts from things like location bans - schools, bars, universities, and probably a lot of other onerous restrictions.

[willxjcherokee]

I am getting ansty on a ruling, I am looking at buying a 686 or a carry gun!

[THE KING]

TyGuy, on 17 July 2012 - 02:52 PM, said:

THE KING, on 17 July 2012 - 02:50 PM, said:

...what does this have to do with the Moore/Shepard case ????

Oh yeah, and that.

Just askin

I did notice that whomever Borgranta is, he posted the exact same thing in another topic on this forum ????

[TyGuy]

I get email updates from certain threads.  I didn't even notice which thread this was before I responded, which is MY bad.  I need to keep it on topic.

Anyone else check the 7th Circuit Court of Appeals every day like I do?  Sometimes 3-4 times a day?   It's kinda pathetic that we have to wait for our Constitutional rights with baited breath.

[THE KING]

OK did like two or three posts just disappear from this topic ??

[stm]

TyGuy, on 17 July 2012 - 03:02 PM, said:

Anyone else check the 7th Circuit Court of Appeals every day like I do?  Sometimes 3-4 times a day?   It's kinda pathetic that we have to wait for our Constitutional rights with baited breath.

Yes, I do. It replaces my compulsive behavior of checking for updates on Moore & Shepard at District Court level,  and checking HB148 and HB5745 on ilga.gov.

[Molly B.]

THE KING, on 17 July 2012 - 03:04 PM, said:

OK did like two or three posts just disappear from this topic ??

Borgranta's  post was moved to the proper topic discussing the UN Treaty.  Some of the responding  posts went with it.

[Molly B.]

stm, on 17 July 2012 - 03:22 PM, said:

TyGuy, on 17 July 2012 - 03:02 PM, said:

Anyone else check the 7th Circuit Court of Appeals every day like I do?  Sometimes 3-4 times a day?   It's kinda pathetic that we have to wait for our Constitutional rights with baited breath.

Yes, I do. It replaces my compulsive behavior of checking for updates on Moore & Shepard at District Court level,  and checking HB148 and HB5745 on ilga.gov.

Same here!!

[lee n. field]

Molly B., on 17 July 2012 - 03:28 PM, said:

stm, on 17 July 2012 - 03:22 PM, said:

TyGuy, on 17 July 2012 - 03:02 PM, said:

Anyone else check the 7th Circuit Court of Appeals every day like I do?  Sometimes 3-4 times a day?   It's kinda pathetic that we have to wait for our Constitutional rights with baited breath.

Yes, I do. It replaces my compulsive behavior of checking for updates on Moore & Shepard at District Court level,  and checking HB148 and HB5745 on ilga.gov.

Same here!!

I figure I'll hear about it here first.  So, I check this thread a half dozen times a day.

[NakPPI]

Any day now... Posner released 3 opinions today orals were around the same time as Moore. Flaum released some this week too. Good chance this gets written by Williams IMHO. Which means it would have a pro women slant. /speculation

[drdoom]

NakPPI, on 19 July 2012 - 11:09 AM, said:

Any day now... Posner released 3 opinions today orals were around the same time as Moore. Flaum released some this week too. Good chance this gets written by Williams IMHO. Which means it would have a pro women slant. /speculation

I'm still banking on waiting until the 8th, prove me wrong, but I think we're gonna have to wait sometime.

[borgranta]

NakPPI, on 19 July 2012 - 11:09 AM, said:

Any day now... Posner released 3 opinions today orals were around the same time as Moore. Flaum released some this week too. Good chance this gets written by Williams IMHO. Which means it would have a pro women slant. /speculation

The pro women slant will encourage the feminists to fight for their 2nd amendment right to self defense  since it will need to be instituted by the legislature

[borgranta]

borgranta, on 20 July 2012 - 05:45 AM, said:

I heard abput a woman the was raped multiple times by the new orleans police after her gun was taken by the troops

The New Orleans police raped at least one women repeatedly after the massive gun confiscation during Katrina which disarmed everyone even in the high and dry mansions.  The feminists need to fight for armed self defense rights to prevent rapes and murders of defenseless women

[Molly B.]

borgranta, on 20 July 2012 - 06:59 AM, said:

borgranta, on 20 July 2012 - 05:45 AM, said:

I heard abput a woman the was raped multiple times by the new orleans police after her gun was taken by the troops

The New Orleans police raped at least one women repeatedly after the massive gun confiscation during Katrina which disarmed everyone even in the high and dry mansions.  The feminists need to fight for armed self defense rights to prevent rapes and murders of defenseless women

borg,

When posting about actual events, it is important to also post links to verify the facts. I can find no news accounts that this actually happened.

Thanks,
Molly B.

[chicago]

borgranta, on 20 July 2012 - 06:59 AM, said:

borgranta, on 20 July 2012 - 05:45 AM, said:

I heard abput a woman the was raped multiple times by the new orleans police after her gun was taken by the troops

The New Orleans police raped at least one women repeatedly after the massive gun confiscation during Katrina which disarmed everyone even in the high and dry mansions.  The feminists need to fight for armed self defense rights to prevent rapes and murders of defenseless women

Not going to happen. The organized feminist movement takes it's orders from the Democrat's chain of command.

[borgranta]

Molly B., on 20 July 2012 - 07:34 AM, said:

borgranta, on 20 July 2012 - 06:59 AM, said:

borgranta, on 20 July 2012 - 05:45 AM, said:

I heard abput a woman the was raped multiple times by the new orleans police after her gun was taken by the troops

The New Orleans police raped at least one women repeatedly after the massive gun confiscation during Katrina which disarmed everyone even in the high and dry mansions.  The feminists need to fight for armed self defense rights to prevent rapes and murders of defenseless women

borg,

When posting about actual events, it is important to also post links to verify the facts. I can find no news accounts that this actually happened.

Thanks,
Molly B.

I have two different links that that prove ithttp://www.alternet.org/katrina/26871/http://www.stormfront.org/forum/t900648/

Edited by borgranta, 20 July 2012 - 08:05 AM.

[Helpdesk9]

borgranta, on 20 July 2012 - 08:02 AM, said:

I have two different links that that prove ithttp://www.alternet.org/katrina/26871/http://www.stormfront.org/forum/t900648/

You're joking, right?

Veni, vidi, edi

[borgranta]

The New Orleans police raped at least one women repeatedly after the massive gun confiscation during Katrina which disarmed everyone even in the high and dry mansions. The feminists need to fight for armed self defense rights to prevent rapes and murders of defenseless women
I have two different links that that prove it
http://www.alternet.org/katrina/26871/
http://www. stormfron.../forum/t900648/

Edited by Federal Farmer, 20 July 2012 - 04:07 PM.
Removed hot link to stormfront.

[lee n. field]

borgranta, on 20 July 2012 - 08:02 AM, said:

I have two different links that that prove ithttp://www.alternet.org/katrina/26871/http://www.stormfront.org/forum/t900648/

Uh...Stormfront?

[Helpdesk9]

lee n. field, on 20 July 2012 - 08:26 AM, said:

borgranta, on 20 July 2012 - 08:02 AM, said:

I have two different links that that prove ithttp://www.alternet.org/katrina/26871/http://www.stormfront.org/forum/t900648/

Uh...Stormfront?

This guy is also doing this crap over at XDTALK


Edit: This guy just got BANNED from XDTALK.

Veni, vidi, edi

Edited by Helpdesk9, 20 July 2012 - 08:38 AM.

[TyGuy]

The web section to view an opinion for 12-1269 gives some sort of error right now.  Perhaps they are uploading the decision?

[THE KING]

TyGuy, on 20 July 2012 - 09:58 AM, said:

The web section to view an opinion for 12-1269 gives some sort of error right now.  Perhaps they are uploading the decision?

WELL, it is Friday. And most controversial decisions  are made on a Friday. We call it the dump and run !!    

One could only hope that is the reason for the error message