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Why Madigan wouldn't let the new CCW Bill come out of committee
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Wouldn't it require a change of the state's constitution to bring term limits in Illinois?
Several people have spoken in favor of term limits. I agree with the member(s) that believe the ballot box serves as term limits. If you have a pol that is doing a great job, it seems foolish to force them out of office. I'm EXTREMELY happy with my Rep and Senator and the job they are doing. Both Rep. Jim Sacia and Sen. Tim Bivens even attended my benefit to help raise money for my medical bills. (Now in excess of a million dollars.) Not just there for appearances - Rep. Sacia served as a "celebrity auctioneer" and Sen. Bivens bought several big ticket items. I can't thank them enough.
And I also can't envision House Speaker Mike Madigan showing up for anything that didn't benefit him or his law firm clients.
Several people have spoken in favor of term limits. I agree with the member(s) that believe the ballot box serves as term limits. If you have a pol that is doing a great job, it seems foolish to force them out of office. I'm EXTREMELY happy with my Rep and Senator and the job they are doing. Both Rep. Jim Sacia and Sen. Tim Bivens even attended my benefit to help raise money for my medical bills. (Now in excess of a million dollars.) Not just there for appearances - Rep. Sacia served as a "celebrity auctioneer" and Sen. Bivens bought several big ticket items. I can't thank them enough.
And I also can't envision House Speaker Mike Madigan showing up for anything that didn't benefit him or his law firm clients.
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but there are more good men than evil, and while the latter cannot be persuaded to the path of righteousness by propaganda,
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but there are more good men than evil, and while the latter cannot be persuaded to the path of righteousness by propaganda,
they can certainly be corrected by good men with rifles." — Jeff Cooper, The Art of the Rifle
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I HATE ILLINOIS, on 04 June 2012 - 07:57 PM, said:
another year down, what happened bud,, you guaranted rtc and i said no, but i was right now like ive said not now not next, its wishfull thinking for a few, yes few years
I find relentless optimism far more appealing than undying pessimism (or what some would call realism). Nevertheless, as a glass-is-half-full kinda guy, RTC is closer than it's ever been...
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Posted 07 June 2012 - 06:56 PM
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I HATE ILLINOIS, on 04 June 2012 - 07:57 PM, said:
another year down, what happened bud,, you guaranted rtc and i said no, but i was right now like ive said not now not next, its wishfull thinking for a few, yes few years
I find relentless optimism far more appealing than undying pessimism (or what some would call realism). Nevertheless, as a glass-is-half-full kinda guy, RTC is closer than it's ever been...
I am normally pessimistic but I agree with you that it is closer than it's ever been. I don't know if there's ever been so much talk about it and exposure. The pressure has definitely ratcheted up a notch now that we're the last state to have nothing on the books. It seems like the topic is in the news more often too. You get the feeling that something has to happen.
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Posted 07 June 2012 - 09:26 PM
Nobody ever stopped an innovation by being optimistic, but certainly pessimism can have a inhibitory effect...
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Posted 07 June 2012 - 11:05 PM
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Thanks very much for your offer. You're in for a cold one from at IGOLD 2013.
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Posted 09 June 2012 - 12:04 PM
The fact is, we won't know what we have (or can or can't do) until we get a ruling. And that ruling could be anything, running the gamet of possiblities. Having said that, the there is a strong chaance that we will get a "favorable" ruling, considering the precidents of Heller, McDonald and Ezell (coming from this very circuit).
We'll just have to wait and see.
We'll just have to wait and see.
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Posted 09 June 2012 - 01:29 PM
Term limits in a blue state is very bad. See California.
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Posted 11 June 2012 - 10:20 AM
Gray Peterson, on 09 June 2012 - 01:29 PM, said:
Term limits in a blue state is very bad. See California.
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Posted 11 June 2012 - 10:39 AM
Jason4567, on 11 June 2012 - 10:20 AM, said:
Gray Peterson, on 09 June 2012 - 01:29 PM, said:
Term limits in a blue state is very bad. See California.
Ya, I'm curious too
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Posted 11 June 2012 - 10:43 AM
Drylok, on 11 June 2012 - 10:39 AM, said:
Jason4567, on 11 June 2012 - 10:20 AM, said:
Gray Peterson, on 09 June 2012 - 01:29 PM, said:
Term limits in a blue state is very bad. See California.
Ya, I'm curious too
Ummm....yeah, shouldn't it be no term limits = no bueno?
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GldRush98, on 02 June 2012 - 11:15 PM, said:
Illinois won't get RTC this year, nor any year soon. The only thing that could possibly happen would be a forced ruling from the SCOTUS, but I don't think that will even give Illinois citizens back their 2A rights. Guess I'm glad I didn't waste money on an IWB holster that I'll never get to use.
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Posted 11 June 2012 - 07:32 PM
here's what happens when you term limits in a blue (or a red) state.
Using a blue state like Illinois and you have really long time Republican in as a State rep. Now the district that he represents has changed over the years to being primarily democratic, maybe blue dog democratic, but still, the other party. The long time Republican keeps getting re-elected because even though he is the other party, he does a good job representing the community and he is really popular. But then term limits kick in and suddenly, he's out of office and the district elects a democratic new comer. That democratic new comer votes the party line and a Speaker like Madigan and his subsequent replacements control the State. That's what happened/is happening in California
Using a blue state like Illinois and you have really long time Republican in as a State rep. Now the district that he represents has changed over the years to being primarily democratic, maybe blue dog democratic, but still, the other party. The long time Republican keeps getting re-elected because even though he is the other party, he does a good job representing the community and he is really popular. But then term limits kick in and suddenly, he's out of office and the district elects a democratic new comer. That democratic new comer votes the party line and a Speaker like Madigan and his subsequent replacements control the State. That's what happened/is happening in California
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Posted 11 June 2012 - 08:04 PM
Bud, on 11 June 2012 - 07:32 PM, said:
here's what happens when you term limits in a blue (or a red) state.
Using a blue state like Illinois and you have really long time Republican in as a State rep. Now the district that he represents has changed over the years to being primarily democratic, maybe blue dog democratic, but still, the other party. The long time Republican keeps getting re-elected because even though he is the other party, he does a good job representing the community and he is really popular. But then term limits kick in and suddenly, he's out of office and the district elects a democratic new comer. That democratic new comer votes the party line and a Speaker like Madigan and his subsequent replacements control the State. That's what happened/is happening in California
Using a blue state like Illinois and you have really long time Republican in as a State rep. Now the district that he represents has changed over the years to being primarily democratic, maybe blue dog democratic, but still, the other party. The long time Republican keeps getting re-elected because even though he is the other party, he does a good job representing the community and he is really popular. But then term limits kick in and suddenly, he's out of office and the district elects a democratic new comer. That democratic new comer votes the party line and a Speaker like Madigan and his subsequent replacements control the State. That's what happened/is happening in California
Term limits + blue state = anti gun stuff becoming law every year.
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Gray Peterson, on 11 June 2012 - 08:04 PM, said:
Term limits + blue state = anti gun stuff becoming law every year.
But isn't that true anyway in a Blue state? No Term limits + blue state = Mr. Madigan controlling everything in the state, and no pro-gun stuff being allowed out of committee
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Posted 12 June 2012 - 03:31 PM
I don't see wehay everyone assumes a newcomer is going to be anti-2A. What is the reasoning behind that? Plus Bud's scenario could happen the exact opposite way he states (switch dem and republican). I feel that term limits do nothing but limit the power of any one man. After all, why do we do it for the POTUS?
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Posted 12 June 2012 - 10:03 PM
You guys are going at this all wrong. You think Madigan really cares about concealed carry or the people's rights.
Madigan probably isn't holding up the bill because he's against carry. Maybe he just hasn't figured out how to create a benefit for his legal clients, or how he can personally profit from passing it.
Once he sees the benefit to passing the law, it'll come out of committee.
Madigan probably isn't holding up the bill because he's against carry. Maybe he just hasn't figured out how to create a benefit for his legal clients, or how he can personally profit from passing it.
Once he sees the benefit to passing the law, it'll come out of committee.
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w00dc4ip, on 12 June 2012 - 10:03 PM, said:
You guys are going at this all wrong. You think Madigan really cares about concealed carry or the people's rights.
Madigan probably isn't holding up the bill because he's against carry. Maybe he just hasn't figured out how to create a benefit for his legal clients, or how he can personally profit from passing it.
Once he sees the benefit to passing the law, it'll come out of committee.
Madigan probably isn't holding up the bill because he's against carry. Maybe he just hasn't figured out how to create a benefit for his legal clients, or how he can personally profit from passing it.
Once he sees the benefit to passing the law, it'll come out of committee.
And his legal clients, if you look at his law firm site, has to do with ad valorum taxes. Nothing at all to do with criminal defense or anything similar.
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Posted 13 June 2012 - 05:12 PM
A MAdigan employee told me to my face that Madigan will never allow concealed carry in Illinois.
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Then Madigan needs to go. I hate these career politicians! After a while they think they can do what ever they want. They forget who elects them into office. They should be working for the people of the State and not on there own agenda's, truly sickening. I hope the Supreme court sticks it right up his #SS!
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Sigma, on 13 June 2012 - 05:12 PM, said:
A MAdigan employee told me to my face that Madigan will never allow concealed carry in Illinois.
Just one more reason to get this man out of office. The 15,000 people who vote him in every election for the last 42 years allow him to rule the 12,000,000 people in Illinois uncontested.
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Posted 13 June 2012 - 07:12 PM
Sigma, on 13 June 2012 - 05:12 PM, said:
A MAdigan employee told me to my face that Madigan will never allow concealed carry in Illinois.
Have you shared this information with Todd V.? And when you say a "Madigan employee", are you speaking of someone from his law firm?
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Posted 13 June 2012 - 07:26 PM
Sigma, on 13 June 2012 - 05:12 PM, said:
A MAdigan employee told me to my face that Madigan will never allow concealed carry in Illinois.
Richard Daley said the same thing about handgun possession in the home.
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Gray Peterson, on 13 June 2012 - 07:26 PM, said:
Sigma, on 13 June 2012 - 05:12 PM, said:
A MAdigan employee told me to my face that Madigan will never allow concealed carry in Illinois.
Richard Daley said the same thing about handgun possession in the home.
Second: Again, arrogance, but relating to Daley. How did that end up turning out for him?
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sirflyguy, on 13 June 2012 - 07:44 PM, said:
Gray Peterson, on 13 June 2012 - 07:26 PM, said:
Sigma, on 13 June 2012 - 05:12 PM, said:
A MAdigan employee told me to my face that Madigan will never allow concealed carry in Illinois.
Richard Daley said the same thing about handgun possession in the home.
Second: Again, arrogance, but relating to Daley. How did that end up turning out for him?
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Sigma, on 13 June 2012 - 05:12 PM, said:
A MAdigan employee told me to my face that Madigan will never allow concealed carry in Illinois.
Madigan is Speaker of the House, not God!
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Is there no way for the legislature itself to bring up a bill? I mean, if Madian wants to stonewall them, but a majority wants to vote on the bill can they not somehow bring it up?
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TyGuy, on 13 June 2012 - 10:35 PM, said:
Is there no way for the legislature itself to bring up a bill? I mean, if Madian wants to stonewall them, but a majority wants to vote on the bill can they not somehow bring it up?
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Posted 26 June 2012 - 06:51 AM
bob, on 14 June 2012 - 04:58 AM, said:
TyGuy, on 13 June 2012 - 10:35 PM, said:
Is there no way for the legislature itself to bring up a bill? I mean, if Madian wants to stonewall them, but a majority wants to vote on the bill can they not somehow bring it up?
It takes 3/5. Same as it takes to pass a bill over homerule. And with the fact the Dems rule the Il Legislature, it is almost impossible to get 3/5 to cross Madigan. He has total control.
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