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[vezpa]

Edited by vezpa, 30 May 2012 - 11:55 PM.

[abolt243]

TomKoz, on 30 May 2012 - 10:21 PM, said:

Page 19, Sect 70 (f):  Does this now mean you cannot be at home and enjoy a couple adult beverages while being armed?????

Sorry, I tried to copy and paste the section but was unable to.

So much for prior combat military service meeting training requirements huh  

Didn't you read the rest of the paragraph??  Under the influence is defined as .08.  So yes, you can have a couple of beverages if you must.  No, you can't carry (nor should you want to) when you're smashed.

[TomKoz]

Yes I did.  But, would this bill make it illegal to have a loaded, uncased firearm in your home, or on your person,  a crime if you are over .08 while IN YOUR HOME.  The way I understand the law NOW, it would NOT be a crime.

Does anyone here ever go over .08 while having a loaded firearm accessible in the home?  Rhetorical question.

[chicago]

C0untZer0, on 30 May 2012 - 10:58 PM, said:

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Kay Hatcher gives away some very easy leverage against Chicago for a cause she promised her district that she supports (RTC in Illinois). All so Chicago can relocate thier garbage in a dump in her own back yard of Kendall County??? Why would she possibly support that? Something stinks and it ain't the garbage.

It isn't even close to being the first time garbage dumps have been tied into corruption.  Remember Rod Blagojevich, his father-in-law Alderman Richard Mell, and Frank Schmidt ?

KAY HATCHER also supported building one of the biggest planned parenthood abortion mills in the world, right in her back yard as well.  New York St & Eola Rd, Aurora IL.

SOME CONSERVATIVE.

[abolt243]

TomKoz, on 31 May 2012 - 09:42 AM, said:

Yes I did.  But, would this bill make it illegal to have a loaded, uncased firearm in your home, or on your person,  a crime if you are over .08 while IN YOUR HOME.  The way I understand the law NOW, it would NOT be a crime.

Does anyone here ever go over .08 while having a loaded firearm accessible in the home?  Rhetorical question.

Carrying in your home does not require a license so you would not be subject to the laws of that license.  Carrying in the home comes under the auspices of 24-2 (?).  Page 3 beginning at line 12 outlines when you do NOT need a license to carry under this proposed amendment.

[Uncle Harley]

abolt243, on 31 May 2012 - 06:56 AM, said:

TomKoz, on 30 May 2012 - 10:21 PM, said:

Page 19, Sect 70 (f):  Does this now mean you cannot be at home and enjoy a couple adult beverages while being armed?????

Sorry, I tried to copy and paste the section but was unable to.

So much for prior combat military service meeting training requirements huh  

Didn't you read the rest of the paragraph??  Under the influence is defined as .08.  So yes, you can have a couple of beverages if you must.  No, you can't carry (nor should you want to) when you're smashed.

I completly understand this,  but I keep loaded firearms in the house,  very rarely do I drink but when I do, it's in my home, and depending on who is there and what we are celebrating ,    I could very easily slide past .08   Would I decide to show off my new weapon  while legally intoxicated?   hell no!   but should I unload it prior to my buddy bringing over a 6' er to celebrate his new promotion.    I don't feel like I should.

[abolt243]

Uncle Harley, on 31 May 2012 - 11:57 AM, said:

abolt243, on 31 May 2012 - 06:56 AM, said:

TomKoz, on 30 May 2012 - 10:21 PM, said:

Page 19, Sect 70 (f):  Does this now mean you cannot be at home and enjoy a couple adult beverages while being armed?????

Sorry, I tried to copy and paste the section but was unable to.

So much for prior combat military service meeting training requirements huh  

Didn't you read the rest of the paragraph??  Under the influence is defined as .08.  So yes, you can have a couple of beverages if you must.  No, you can't carry (nor should you want to) when you're smashed.

I completly understand this,  but I keep loaded firearms in the house,  very rarely do I drink but when I do, it's in my home, and depending on who is there and what we are celebrating , I could very easily slide past .08   Would I decide to show off my new weapon  while legally intoxicated?   hell no!   but should I unload it prior to my buddy bringing over a 6' er to celebrate his new promotion. I don't feel like I should.

Just to put this to rest and to repeat what I posted on the other thread.  Then we're going to leave this subject alone because it appears that the bill won't pass so all this makes no difference.

You're carrying in your house under the conditions of 720 5/24.  There is no language that forbids the activity you mention above.  When you step off your property carrying a firearm, then you would be in disobedience to that statute, but because you had an IL license, you would now be exempted from 720 5/24 and be legally carrying under the rules of the new carry law.  The laws about the .08 ONLY apply when carrying under the authorization of the new carry law, not when on your own property or in your home or any of the other conditions listed in 720 ILCS 5/24.

K??  Question answered, conversation over.

Tim

[Drylok]

Uncle Harley, if you come to our Firearm Freedom Celebration you'll see exactly how having a cold beer while carrying on your property or that property where you're an invitee therein works.

[Uncle Harley]

abolt243, on 31 May 2012 - 01:07 PM, said:

Just to put this to rest and to repeat what I posted on the other thread.  Then we're going to leave this subject alone because it appears that the bill won't pass so all this makes no difference.

You're carrying in your house under the conditions of 720 5/24.  There is no language that forbids the activity you mention above.  When you step off your property carrying a firearm, then you would be in disobedience to that statute, but because you had an IL license, you would now be exempted from 720 5/24 and be legally carrying under the rules of the new carry law.  The laws about the .08 ONLY apply when carrying under the authorization of the new carry law, not when on your own property or in your home or any of the other conditions listed in 720 ILCS 5/24.

K??  Question answered, conversation over.

Tim

thank you for clearing that up,  I didn't know what it said because I couldn't see it.  when I looked it up, the last update was 5-10 or something and it just showed it was in comitte.   I couldn't even read any amendments and was only going of what others said.

[abolt243]

Uncle Harley, on 31 May 2012 - 07:15 PM, said:

abolt243, on 31 May 2012 - 01:07 PM, said:

Just to put this to rest and to repeat what I posted on the other thread.  Then we're going to leave this subject alone because it appears that the bill won't pass so all this makes no difference.

You're carrying in your house under the conditions of 720 5/24.  There is no language that forbids the activity you mention above.  When you step off your property carrying a firearm, then you would be in disobedience to that statute, but because you had an IL license, you would now be exempted from 720 5/24 and be legally carrying under the rules of the new carry law.  The laws about the .08 ONLY apply when carrying under the authorization of the new carry law, not when on your own property or in your home or any of the other conditions listed in 720 ILCS 5/24.

K??  Question answered, conversation over.

Tim

thank you for clearing that up,  I didn't know what it said because I couldn't see it.  when I looked it up, the last update was 5-10 or something and it just showed it was in comitte.   I couldn't even read any amendments and was only going of what others said.

You were on the summary page.  Go to the top of that page, click on Full Text.  Then you have the options of As Introduced, Engrossed (as it would appear with the latest amendment that has been adopted) and each of the amendments that have been officially filed.

[Uncle Harley]

abolt243, on 31 May 2012 - 07:25 PM, said:

Uncle Harley, on 31 May 2012 - 07:15 PM, said:

abolt243, on 31 May 2012 - 01:07 PM, said:

Just to put this to rest and to repeat what I posted on the other thread.  Then we're going to leave this subject alone because it appears that the bill won't pass so all this makes no difference.

You're carrying in your house under the conditions of 720 5/24.  There is no language that forbids the activity you mention above.  When you step off your property carrying a firearm, then you would be in disobedience to that statute, but because you had an IL license, you would now be exempted from 720 5/24 and be legally carrying under the rules of the new carry law.  The laws about the .08 ONLY apply when carrying under the authorization of the new carry law, not when on your own property or in your home or any of the other conditions listed in 720 ILCS 5/24.

K??  Question answered, conversation over.

Tim

thank you for clearing that up,  I didn't know what it said because I couldn't see it.  when I looked it up, the last update was 5-10 or something and it just showed it was in comitte.   I couldn't even read any amendments and was only going of what others said.

You were on the summary page.  Go to the top of that page, click on Full Text.  Then you have the options of As Introduced, Engrossed (as it would appear with the latest amendment that has been adopted) and each of the amendments that have been officially filed.

Believe it or not  I looked there, and didn't see it, and when I saw people in the know sayin"  We can get rid of that part later"  it kinda freaked me out about what else might be in there.

[Chiburbian]

I know it is too late but I just thought of a friend who has the eyes and ears of many pro-gun people in the city of Chicago...

Second City Cop.

In retrospect it would have been nice to have him/her make a post in our favor.

[Drylok]

Uncle Harley, also when you go look at those bills be sure to click on the last amendment that was filed and if it starts with "deletes everything after the enacting clause" then that means it is the new bill and you can forget everything that is written in the original bill or preceding amendments. There may be some technical exceptions to this but that's it in a nutshell. I've wasted a lot of time reading bills and amendments only to find out the last amendment erases everything I just read so start at the end and read backwards so to speak.

[Uncle Harley]

Drylok, on 31 May 2012 - 08:13 PM, said:

Uncle Harley, also when you go look at those bills be sure to click on the last amendment that was filed and if it starts with "deletes everything after the enacting clause" then that means it is the new bill and you can forget everything that is written in the original bill or preceding amendments. There may be some technical exceptions to this but that's it in a nutshell. I've wasted a lot of time reading bills and amendments only to find out the last amendment erases everything I just read so start at the end and read backwards so to speak.

yeah no, I totally get how to do it,  I tried, I just couldn't see anything  Don't know if it wouldn't load all the way or what.   For the longest time I couldn't even get the ILGA website to come up and that was with a super fast connection too.