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#-29 Molly B.

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Posted 09 May 2012 - 04:34 PM

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Story Created: May 9, 2012 at 8:29 AM CDT
An Illinois lawmaker and bill sponsor says the House is possibly just two votes away from passing a
potential concealed carry bill. Story by Newschannel 20.

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Posted 09 May 2012 - 04:37 PM

WOW!

Getting closer!

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yea everyone makes fun of the redneck till the zombies show up. . .

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Posted 09 May 2012 - 05:09 PM

View Poststm, on 09 May 2012 - 04:37 PM, said:

WOW!

Getting closer!

I could be wrong, but I thought Phelps said we were 2 votes away a couple of months ago??
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Posted 09 May 2012 - 05:11 PM

I just had an idea . . . Do you think we could get someone to put together a task force that could examine the possible effects of passing a concealed carry law in Illinois . . . . and then issue a report on it?
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Posted 09 May 2012 - 05:30 PM

is ford one of those votes we need or did they already count him in? PM me if you need to.

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Posted 09 May 2012 - 05:41 PM

View PostBuzzard, on 09 May 2012 - 05:11 PM, said:

I just had an idea . . . Do you think we could get someone to put together a task force that could examine the possible effects of passing a concealed carry law in Illinois . . . . and then issue a report on it?

First it was after the beginning of the year.
Then it was after the primary.
Then it was after they get back from vacation.
Now it's after Christmas.
Then...

Novel Idea though!
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Posted 09 May 2012 - 06:11 PM

View Postwilessiuc, on 09 May 2012 - 05:09 PM, said:

View Poststm, on 09 May 2012 - 04:37 PM, said:

WOW!

Getting closer!

I could be wrong, but I thought Phelps said we were 2 votes away a couple of months ago??

Seems we've been "a couple of votes away" since the start of the year.... :getlost:
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Posted 09 May 2012 - 07:13 PM

View PostBuzzard, on 09 May 2012 - 05:11 PM, said:

I just had an idea . . . Do you think we could get someone to put together a task force that could examine the possible effects of passing a concealed carry law in Illinois . . . . and then issue a report on it?

That is a brilliant idea! We should have done that a few months ago. ;)
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Posted 09 May 2012 - 08:03 PM

Just curious, does it tip our hand at all to put out this kind of story ahead of time?  Lacking understanding of the process, I thought that since Rep. Phelps had effectively tabled HB 148, it could be brought back out for a vote at any time.  Wondering if this provides an opportunity for Madigan/Quinn/Emanuel to do some last-minute arm twisting like the last time...  Or does it not matter because the cat is pretty much already out of the bag...
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Posted 09 May 2012 - 08:06 PM

Any word on dunkin?

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Posted 10 May 2012 - 07:19 AM

Looking at this from a pro gun stand point. Is there any way with freedom of information act that we could get the names, or addresses of the FOID members in the districts of the "NO" voters wirth regards of CCW? That would help sway the vote to make it veto proof and tell Quinn to stick it.

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Posted 10 May 2012 - 07:33 AM

View PostJim Smyth, on 10 May 2012 - 07:19 AM, said:

Looking at this from a pro gun stand point. Is there any way with freedom of information act that we could get the names, or addresses of the FOID members in the districts of the "NO" voters wirth regards of CCW? That would help sway the vote to make it veto proof and tell Quinn to stick it.

I would certainly hope the State Police would not release that information. I don't want anyone to be able to FOIA my information.
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Posted 10 May 2012 - 07:35 AM

nope cause it's privet information on the FOID card. no one but LEO'S can have that.

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Posted 10 May 2012 - 08:17 AM

This is HB 5745 we're talking about right?
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Posted 10 May 2012 - 08:26 AM

View PostJim Smyth, on 10 May 2012 - 07:19 AM, said:

Looking at this from a pro gun stand point. Is there any way with freedom of information act that we could get the names, or addresses of the FOID members in the districts of the "NO" voters wirth regards of CCW? That would help sway the vote to make it veto proof and tell Quinn to stick it.
We faught a legal battle to keep Lisa from giving out that information to the press.
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Posted 10 May 2012 - 08:36 AM

Is this two votes to get us to 71?
Or is it two more to give us enough cushion to insure it can survive the veto session?

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Posted 10 May 2012 - 08:38 AM

View PostFarmHand357, on 09 May 2012 - 08:03 PM, said:

Just curious, does it tip our hand at all to put out this kind of story ahead of time?  Lacking understanding of the process, I thought that since Rep. Phelps had effectively tabled HB 148, it could be brought back out for a vote at any time.  Wondering if this provides an opportunity for Madigan/Quinn/Emanuel to do some last-minute arm twisting like the last time...  Or does it not matter because the cat is pretty much already out of the bag...

Maybe, maybe not.  Last year they worked extra hard to keep numbers under wraps and it appeared to turn out the same, the Machine still managed to track down those that they could put pressure on and did so.  I think with it being so close, perhaps it could encourage supporters who might otherwise not vote yes knowing that it's so close to passing.  It's all a crap shoot anyway - lol

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Posted 10 May 2012 - 08:39 AM

HB 5745 ?
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Posted 10 May 2012 - 08:40 AM

View PostKingWalleye, on 10 May 2012 - 08:36 AM, said:

Is this two votes to get us to 71?
Or is it two more to give us enough cushion to insure it can survive the veto session?

Watch the video.
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Posted 10 May 2012 - 08:41 AM

View PostC0untZer0, on 10 May 2012 - 08:39 AM, said:

HB 5745 ?

Not specified which bill.
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Posted 10 May 2012 - 09:16 AM

View Postabolt243, on 10 May 2012 - 08:40 AM, said:

View PostKingWalleye, on 10 May 2012 - 08:36 AM, said:

Is this two votes to get us to 71?
Or is it two more to give us enough cushion to insure it can survive the veto session?

Watch the video.

what video?

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Posted 10 May 2012 - 09:24 AM

We were at 68 last may, then Ford did his task force thing, that's 69 and there were 3 Rs who voted no, so if we pick up Ford and convert the 3 Rs that's 71. And some times when a bill gets to the majical 71 all of the sudden unexpected reps pile on. Who knows how accurate any of that may be and it's just speculation but it's something to hope for. As to which bill, personally I don't care what bill it is let's just do this thing! :thumbsup:
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Posted 10 May 2012 - 09:24 AM

View PostUncle Harley, on 10 May 2012 - 09:16 AM, said:

View Postabolt243, on 10 May 2012 - 08:40 AM, said:

View PostKingWalleye, on 10 May 2012 - 08:36 AM, said:

Is this two votes to get us to 71? Or is it two more to give us enough cushion to insure it can survive the veto session?
Watch the video.
what video?

This one http://www.foxillino...-150759165.html
"A strong body makes the mind strong. As to the species of exercises, I advise the gun. While this gives moderate exercise to the body, it gives boldness, enterprise and independence to the mind. Games played with the ball, and others of that nature, are too violent for the body and stamp no character on the mind. Let your gun therefore be your constant companion of your walks"
-Thomas Jefferson-

Now two flags fly above my land that really sum up how I feel. One is the colors that fly high and proud the red, the white, the blue. The other ones got a rattle snake with a simple statement made, don't tread on me, is what it says and I'll take that to my grave
-Aaron Lewis-

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Posted 10 May 2012 - 09:27 AM

Sorry I am at work and my phone doesn't have the correct flash program to watch it.

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Posted 10 May 2012 - 09:38 AM

If  we're that close shouldn't we all be calling our representatives?  I don't know the exact bill being referred to but both 148 and 5745 create the  Family and Personal Protection Act.  Or do we wait until it actually comes to the floor?
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Posted 10 May 2012 - 10:09 AM

Not all of us, frankly I'm done calling Rose and Righter never needed to in the first place. But the folks up there in and around chicago need to be melting their reps phone lines even if the calls do fall on deaf ears!
"A strong body makes the mind strong. As to the species of exercises, I advise the gun. While this gives moderate exercise to the body, it gives boldness, enterprise and independence to the mind. Games played with the ball, and others of that nature, are too violent for the body and stamp no character on the mind. Let your gun therefore be your constant companion of your walks"
-Thomas Jefferson-

Now two flags fly above my land that really sum up how I feel. One is the colors that fly high and proud the red, the white, the blue. The other ones got a rattle snake with a simple statement made, don't tread on me, is what it says and I'll take that to my grave
-Aaron Lewis-

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Posted 10 May 2012 - 10:13 AM

We are working on the task force report as fast as some can type and think

Things are getting closer
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Posted 10 May 2012 - 10:20 AM

View PostTvandermyde, on 10 May 2012 - 10:13 AM, said:

We are working on the task force report as fast as some can type and think

Things are getting closer
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Posted 10 May 2012 - 10:20 AM

This just reminded me to put yet another call into Emily Mcaseys office (its been at least a month since she has heard from me)!!  Its pretty much like whipping a dead horse dealing with her!!
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Posted 10 May 2012 - 10:31 AM

View PostGetzapped, on 10 May 2012 - 10:20 AM, said:

This just reminded me to put yet another call into Emily Mcaseys office (its been at least a month since she has heard from me)!!  Its pretty much like whipping a dead horse dealing with her!!

Tell her the things that will happen if the court cases go our way.

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