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[TyGuy]

I TOTALLY agree that we get CC passed first and then we work to loosen the restrictions, training requirements, etc... That style has worked around the nation.  See Iowa, right next door, for just how well it works.

[Drylok]

Yup, all most all of the states have done nothing but improved their carry bills since their initial passage.

[Uncle Harley]

Alot of states got CC passed so people would have to cover up  or make it easier to cc than to oc so they will cover up. Wi is one, and    MI and OH are prime examples.   In the latter two,  you can open carry without a license,   However if you get INTO a vehichle,  it is considered concealed  and you are now breaking the law, so it's easier to get the CC permit and cover up all the time instead of  disarm or unload  while driving.    This is why you see alot of Die hard OC'rs  riding motorcycles in these states.

[Gunslinger]

How bout lets make it legal to carry a gun in Illinois... By the way .45 is better

[Mr. Fife]

Nobody can deny that open carry is the stepping stone that got many a state their CCW.

[Drylok]

Isn't it strange in those other states? If you want to conceal carry you have to ask the government permission, get training and pay a tax. But put the exact same firearm in an OWB holster and just walk out the door free of training, permits and taxes.

[Uncle Harley]

Drylok, on 11 May 2012 - 08:20 AM, said:

Isn't it strange in those other states? If you want to conceal carry you have to ask the government permission, get training and pay a tax. But put the exact same firearm in an OWB holster and just walk out the door free of training, permits and taxes.

Nothing strange about that at all,   That is the way it should be  here and everywhere else .     Concealed firearms has always had a stigma since  the practice first started.    Gentlemen kept their pistols on their side for all to see,  Crooks,  Gamblers and Rabble Rousers and other misfits  also kept a derringer up their sleeve.

[lockman]

Drylok, on 11 May 2012 - 08:20 AM, said:

Isn't it strange in those other states? If you want to conceal carry you have to ask the government permission, get training and pay a tax. But put the exact same firearm in an OWB holster and just walk out the door free of training, permits and taxes.

Strange? Yes. That's Government.

[dmefford]

C0untZer0, on 10 May 2012 - 11:57 AM, said:

I was in Arizona where  OC is not a big deal - people don't get panicky when they see someone carrying a gun.  I don't think OC is as much a legal matter as it is cultural.  I'd like OC because it's easier to get in and out of cars if the holster flips up, but I don't see the need to take out my frustration about the 2nd Amendment oppression on the general public.  I don't want to be that kind of activist, I write letters I join organizations, I make campaign contributions, I vote, I don't want to make a big deal of carrying for the sake of advancing the cause.

I OCed in Wyoming, it just isn't a big deal...  It is only a big deal here because it has been a right that has been stolen from the People and they are not use to it.  Who gives a hoot how you carry it?  Only the .gov.  The people need to get used to the People exercising their fundamental right...  I carried Browning HiPower... It is not a large gun and didn't stick out that much and no one ever made a comment, yea or nay...

I didn't feel like big stud or like a threat to any one...  I carry a Gerber multi-tool all the time... It is just another tool...

Regards, Drd

Edited by dmefford, 11 May 2012 - 06:18 PM.

[willxjcherokee]

I would open carry while wearing a suit. lol

[Jim Smyth]

I spend 6 months a year in Wisconsin (have a second home) but I am a Illinois resident. I can tell you in 30 years I have never seen anyone open carry any where in Wisconsin other than a back up weapon during hunting season. I have heard stories of it and the Police get immediately involved and give out citations for being a public nuisance. People here don't like seeing weapons carried out in the open. The open carry in Wisconsin IMO had nothing to do with the now current CCW because it is not commonly practiced. If open carry is pushed in Illinois before we get CCW its just going to muddy the waters and make it more difficult because people don't like seeing guns.

The Community we are in, in Wisconsin the current President of our association has been on a mission since he heard about CCW and heard the stories of open carry has been out to ban weapons in our subdivision in any form. Myself and a few other pro gun guys have been doing everything in our power to educate and inform the membership. When the dust all settled he is leaving it alone until anyone tries to open carry even though its legal in Wisconsin. If someone here tries to open carry he is going to call an emergency board meeting and will ban any form of carry in our Park. Then I will have to educate again and try to make sure when it comes to a membership vote that it fails miserably.

So in closing the "Sheeple" don't like seeing guns out in the open. So pushing that before CCW in Illinois isnt the way to go.

Edited by Jim Smyth, 12 May 2012 - 06:47 AM.

[cgs]

OPen carry isn't for me. I certainly am not against it, but I think it makes you a target in more ways than one.  Having said that I was at my favorite watering hole speaking with a very democratic liberal and gun laws came up and after much argument he said he'd be for open carry but not concealed carry so he knows who the idiots with guns are.

Note to self do not discuss politics at bars.

[Mr. Fife]

My guess is that if we had open carry there would be such an outcry that concealed carry would quickly pass, so that we would cover up.

[KingWalleye]

Jim Smyth, on 12 May 2012 - 06:45 AM, said:

I spend 6 months a year in Wisconsin (have a second home) but I am a Illinois resident. I can tell you in 30 years I have never seen anyone open carry any where in Wisconsin other than a back up weapon during hunting season. I have heard stories of it and the Police get immediately involved and give out citations for being a public nuisance. People here don't like seeing weapons carried out in the open. The open carry in Wisconsin IMO had nothing to do with the now current CCW because it is not commonly practiced. If open carry is pushed in Illinois before we get CCW its just going to muddy the waters and make it more difficult because people don't like seeing guns.

The Community we are in, in Wisconsin the current President of our association has been on a mission since he heard about CCW and heard the stories of open carry has been out to ban weapons in our subdivision in any form. Myself and a few other pro gun guys have been doing everything in our power to educate and inform the membership. When the dust all settled he is leaving it alone until anyone tries to open carry even though its legal in Wisconsin. If someone here tries to open carry he is going to call an emergency board meeting and will ban any form of carry in our Park. Then I will have to educate again and try to make sure when it comes to a membership vote that it fails miserably.

So in closing the "Sheeple" don't like seeing guns out in the open. So pushing that before CCW in Illinois isnt the way to go.

You may want to have your association president Google "Alan Gura". Then ask him if the association has a world class attorney on retainer.

[lockman]

http://forum.opencar...697#post1752697

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Good luck dealing with that group.  Roy V

[Getzapped]

Kurt, i'm still confused?  how come when we asked how you were getting this introduced, you disappeared?

[Unanimous]

Jim Smyth, on 12 May 2012 - 06:45 AM, said:

I spend 6 months a year in Wisconsin (have a second home) but I am a Illinois resident. I can tell you in 30 years I have never seen anyone open carry any where in Wisconsin other than a back up weapon during hunting season. I have heard stories of it and the Police get immediately involved and give out citations for being a public nuisance.

I've spoken to several WI police who didn't even know OC was legal. Not that it's completely surprising but very frightening

Someone tell me again why we even have to hope we get a law allowing us to OC in IL?

Oh yeah.. I remember now. we've become a state full of useful idiot serfs who somehow believe that a state can write a lawful ordinance denying us any or all the bill of rights.

[Gunslinger]

Jim Smyth, on 12 May 2012 - 06:45 AM, said:

I spend 6 months a year in Wisconsin (have a second home) but I am a Illinois resident. I can tell you in 30 years I have never seen anyone open carry any where in Wisconsin other than a back up weapon during hunting season. I have heard stories of it and the Police get immediately involved and give out citations for being a public nuisance. People here don't like seeing weapons carried out in the open. The open carry in Wisconsin IMO had nothing to do with the now current CCW because it is not commonly practiced. If open carry is pushed in Illinois before we get CCW its just going to muddy the waters and make it more difficult because people don't like seeing guns.

The Community we are in, in Wisconsin the current President of our association has been on a mission since he heard about CCW and heard the stories of open carry has been out to ban weapons in our subdivision in any form. Myself and a few other pro gun guys have been doing everything in our power to educate and inform the membership. When the dust all settled he is leaving it alone until anyone tries to open carry even though its legal in Wisconsin. If someone here tries to open carry he is going to call an emergency board meeting and will ban any form of carry in our Park. Then I will have to educate again and try to make sure when it comes to a membership vote that it fails miserably.

So in closing the "Sheeple" don't like seeing guns out in the open. So pushing that before CCW in Illinois isnt the way to go.

I would OC every single chance I got if I had a neighbor like that. Walking the dog, pushing baby stroller, riding bike, mowing the lawn, BBQing, that guy would hate me

[Vaden]

Gunslinger, on 13 May 2012 - 01:42 PM, said:

Jim Smyth, on 12 May 2012 - 06:45 AM, said:

I spend 6 months a year in Wisconsin (have a second home) but I am a Illinois resident. I can tell you in 30 years I have never seen anyone open carry any where in Wisconsin other than a back up weapon during hunting season. I have heard stories of it and the Police get immediately involved and give out citations for being a public nuisance. People here don't like seeing weapons carried out in the open. The open carry in Wisconsin IMO had nothing to do with the now current CCW because it is not commonly practiced. If open carry is pushed in Illinois before we get CCW its just going to muddy the waters and make it more difficult because people don't like seeing guns.

The Community we are in, in Wisconsin the current President of our association has been on a mission since he heard about CCW and heard the stories of open carry has been out to ban weapons in our subdivision in any form. Myself and a few other pro gun guys have been doing everything in our power to educate and inform the membership. When the dust all settled he is leaving it alone until anyone tries to open carry even though its legal in Wisconsin. If someone here tries to open carry he is going to call an emergency board meeting and will ban any form of carry in our Park. Then I will have to educate again and try to make sure when it comes to a membership vote that it fails miserably.

So in closing the "Sheeple" don't like seeing guns out in the open. So pushing that before CCW in Illinois isnt the way to go.

I would OC every single chance I got if I had a neighbor like that. Walking the dog, pushing baby stroller, riding bike, mowing the lawn, BBQing, that guy would hate me

Guilty! Though I do disarm when I mow the patch of grass next to the street, because though its my responsibility to take care of it, my rights do not extend that far. I stopped worrying about what the neighbors think and started enjoying the Galco N3 IWB, Desantis Intruder and Desantis pancake holster. When I walk the greyhound late at night, I even think about concealing, its pretty dark on the streets around here and I am 4 block away from the pits of Hanover Park.

[FST_Kent]

Uncle Harley, on 10 May 2012 - 09:27 AM, said:

I'm a big fan of OC  because  well I'm big.......  once you hit the 300lb mark   NOTHING is comfortable inside the waistband.  So I'm stuck with pocket carry, or untucked shirt.  I do like that they finally made a provision in 148  concealed or " mostly concealed"  (  I think that was the wording )   my fear with CC was my gun showing  since my pants ride pretty low below my belly.  

If open carry were allowed, that is what I would do 90% of the time,  but I do understand there is a time and place to cover up.

I was a bisquit or two away from 300lbs and still not that much farther away.  It would just be more comfortable for me.  I've been mistaken for a police officer, by the police too, for a couple decades so I don't think it would be that big of a deal for me.

Also, I own no small frame handguns or the money to spend on one.  If I did have the money to purchase something it would be a long range rifle set up with all the equipment.  Several thousand $$$'s there.  

So......if you really want me to conceal a handgun, you can drop off a Para Carry 9 for me.  I'll take it in black.  Damn, doesn't show up on their website anymore, but they got one a Big R's in Morris

[Jim Smyth]

Gunslinger, on 13 May 2012 - 01:42 PM, said:

Jim Smyth, on 12 May 2012 - 06:45 AM, said:

I spend 6 months a year in Wisconsin (have a second home) but I am a Illinois resident. I can tell you in 30 years I have never seen anyone open carry any where in Wisconsin other than a back up weapon during hunting season. I have heard stories of it and the Police get immediately involved and give out citations for being a public nuisance. People here don't like seeing weapons carried out in the open. The open carry in Wisconsin IMO had nothing to do with the now current CCW because it is not commonly practiced. If open carry is pushed in Illinois before we get CCW its just going to muddy the waters and make it more difficult because people don't like seeing guns.

The Community we are in, in Wisconsin the current President of our association has been on a mission since he heard about CCW and heard the stories of open carry has been out to ban weapons in our subdivision in any form. Myself and a few other pro gun guys have been doing everything in our power to educate and inform the membership. When the dust all settled he is leaving it alone until anyone tries to open carry even though its legal in Wisconsin. If someone here tries to open carry he is going to call an emergency board meeting and will ban any form of carry in our Park. Then I will have to educate again and try to make sure when it comes to a membership vote that it fails miserably.

So in closing the "Sheeple" don't like seeing guns out in the open. So pushing that before CCW in Illinois isnt the way to go.

I would OC every single chance I got if I had a neighbor like that. Walking the dog, pushing baby stroller, riding bike, mowing the lawn, BBQing, that guy would hate me

Its more complex than that. I am in a gated Campground that we are all part owners in. There's 440 sites/owners. There's a comparable campground across the Highway and someone did Open Carry there and the Board there did stop it with an Emergency rule to prohibit Open Carry and the membership votes it in. I don't want that happening here and I am in the inner circle so to speak. But me and the Association President bump heads on this issue. I respect his position but don't agree with it. He and the Board have the authority to do a Temporary ban and then it needs to go to the membership to vote on for a permanent rule change. That's where I would be his biggest head ache and would do my best to educate everyone so it wouldn't pass. He has taken so much heat on this subject he is basically letting it die right now. That is till someone tries to Open carry then there's going to be issues. So I hope no one tries to do that to potentially ruin it for the rest of us that currently CCW.

[Yas]

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Its more complex than that. I am in a gated Campground that we are all part owners in. There's 440 sites/owners. There's a comparable campground across the Highway and someone did Open Carry there and the Board there did stop it with an Emergency rule to prohibit Open Carry and the membership votes it in. I don't want that happening here and I am in the inner circle so to speak. But me and the Association President bump heads on this issue. I respect his position but don't agree with it. He and the Board have the authority to do a Temporary ban and then it needs to go to the membership to vote on for a permanent rule change. That's where I would be his biggest head ache and would do my best to educate everyone so it wouldn't pass. He has taken so much heat on this subject he is basically letting it die right now. That is till someone tries to Open carry then there's going to be issues. So I hope no one tries to do that to potentially ruin it for the rest of us that currently CCW.

Oak Park Illinois is out over $800,000 in its share of McDonald v. Chicago. Want to bet it had major influence in stopping them from revising newer restrictions within its borders after they lost at the Supreme Court with Chicago against Otiis McDonald?



http://www.oakpark.c...n_guns,_for_now

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The moment will come again when it is right for Oak Park to join a wider battle to eliminate the scourge of handgun violence in our country. But in this moment of perverse partisanship in the national arena, the levers of power are set just too firmly in the pro-gun direction for this village to tilt again at expensive windmills.
The Oak Park Board of Health got it right last week when it made preliminary recommendations that the village forego restrictions on handgun ownership following the 2010 Supreme Court ruling, which overturned Oak Park and Chicago's brave effort at handgun control.
The health board was right in noting that Oak Park, standing alone or with a handful of like-minded communities, is not going to be effective in reducing violence through a series of limited restrictions on owning a handgun. The highest court in the land, now tucked neatly in the pocket of the NRA, is not going to allow any substantive handgun restrictions.
Despite living on the edge of a tough West Side riddled with gun mayhem, this is a time for Oak Park to seek other means to protect its citizens — and we are not referring to concealed carry laws. We need to wait for, and work for, the tide to turn, for new Supreme Court members to arrive.
Oak Park and its taxpayers still wait for clarity on just what the legal costs of the joint City of Chicago/Village of Oak Park defense of handgun bans at the Supreme Court will cost us. It has the potential to be substantial. While we remain troubled that Oak Park's financial exposure was not more clearly set in advance, we don't begrudge the village's long-shot defense of the local gun ban.
But we do know in the present circumstances — financial and political — that discretion in making this fight is the better part of valor.

[Buckfarrack]

Jim Smyth, on 12 May 2012 - 06:45 AM, said:

I spend 6 months a year in Wisconsin (have a second home) but I am a Illinois resident. I can tell you in 30 years I have never seen anyone open carry any where in Wisconsin other than a back up weapon during hunting season. I have heard stories of it and the Police get immediately involved and give out citations for being a public nuisance. People here don't like seeing weapons carried out in the open. The open carry in Wisconsin IMO had nothing to do with the now current CCW because it is not commonly practiced. If open carry is pushed in Illinois before we get CCW its just going to muddy the waters and make it more difficult because people don't like seeing guns.


You're exactly right Jim!  Your post here is almost the same i posted on page 2.
People do not like to see guns.They should just drop it and help get CC passed in Illinois.

The Community we are in, in Wisconsin the current President of our association has been on a mission since he heard about CCW and heard the stories of open carry has been out to ban weapons in our subdivision in any form. Myself and a few other pro gun guys have been doing everything in our power to educate and inform the membership. When the dust all settled he is leaving it alone until anyone tries to open carry even though its legal in Wisconsin. If someone here tries to open carry he is going to call an emergency board meeting and will ban any form of carry in our Park. Then I will have to educate again and try to make sure when it comes to a membership vote that it fails miserably.

Good luck,i hope you educate them.

So in closing the "Sheeple" don't like seeing guns out in the open. So pushing that before CCW in Illinois isnt the way to go.

I agree 100%

[lockman]

Jim Smyth, on 16 May 2012 - 06:43 AM, said:

Gunslinger, on 13 May 2012 - 01:42 PM, said:

Jim Smyth, on 12 May 2012 - 06:45 AM, said:

I spend 6 months a year in Wisconsin (have a second home) but I am a Illinois resident. I can tell you in 30 years I have never seen anyone open carry any where in Wisconsin other than a back up weapon during hunting season. I have heard stories of it and the Police get immediately involved and give out citations for being a public nuisance. People here don't like seeing weapons carried out in the open. The open carry in Wisconsin IMO had nothing to do with the now current CCW because it is not commonly practiced. If open carry is pushed in Illinois before we get CCW its just going to muddy the waters and make it more difficult because people don't like seeing guns.

The Community we are in, in Wisconsin the current President of our association has been on a mission since he heard about CCW and heard the stories of open carry has been out to ban weapons in our subdivision in any form. Myself and a few other pro gun guys have been doing everything in our power to educate and inform the membership. When the dust all settled he is leaving it alone until anyone tries to open carry even though its legal in Wisconsin. If someone here tries to open carry he is going to call an emergency board meeting and will ban any form of carry in our Park. Then I will have to educate again and try to make sure when it comes to a membership vote that it fails miserably.

So in closing the "Sheeple" don't like seeing guns out in the open. So pushing that before CCW in Illinois isnt the way to go.

I would OC every single chance I got if I had a neighbor like that. Walking the dog, pushing baby stroller, riding bike, mowing the lawn, BBQing, that guy would hate me

Its more complex than that. I am in a gated Campground that we are all part owners in. There's 440 sites/owners. There's a comparable campground across the Highway and someone did Open Carry there and the Board there did stop it with an Emergency rule to prohibit Open Carry and the membership votes it in. I don't want that happening here and I am in the inner circle so to speak. But me and the Association President bump heads on this issue. I respect his position but don't agree with it. He and the Board have the authority to do a Temporary ban and then it needs to go to the membership to vote on for a permanent rule change. That's where I would be his biggest head ache and would do my best to educate everyone so it wouldn't pass. He has taken so much heat on this subject he is basically letting it die right now. That is till someone tries to Open carry then there's going to be issues. So I hope no one tries to do that to potentially ruin it for the rest of us that currently CCW.

You may want to do more digging on the enforceability of that rule. How exactly would they enforce this rule? Penalty?

[abolt243]

Jim Smyth, on 16 May 2012 - 06:43 AM, said:

Gunslinger, on 13 May 2012 - 01:42 PM, said:

Jim Smyth, on 12 May 2012 - 06:45 AM, said:

I spend 6 months a year in Wisconsin (have a second home) but I am a Illinois resident. I can tell you in 30 years I have never seen anyone open carry any where in Wisconsin other than a back up weapon during hunting season. I have heard stories of it and the Police get immediately involved and give out citations for being a public nuisance. People here don't like seeing weapons carried out in the open. The open carry in Wisconsin IMO had nothing to do with the now current CCW because it is not commonly practiced. If open carry is pushed in Illinois before we get CCW its just going to muddy the waters and make it more difficult because people don't like seeing guns.

The Community we are in, in Wisconsin the current President of our association has been on a mission since he heard about CCW and heard the stories of open carry has been out to ban weapons in our subdivision in any form. Myself and a few other pro gun guys have been doing everything in our power to educate and inform the membership. When the dust all settled he is leaving it alone until anyone tries to open carry even though its legal in Wisconsin. If someone here tries to open carry he is going to call an emergency board meeting and will ban any form of carry in our Park. Then I will have to educate again and try to make sure when it comes to a membership vote that it fails miserably.

So in closing the "Sheeple" don't like seeing guns out in the open. So pushing that before CCW in Illinois isnt the way to go.

I would OC every single chance I got if I had a neighbor like that. Walking the dog, pushing baby stroller, riding bike, mowing the lawn, BBQing, that guy would hate me

Its more complex than that. I am in a gated Campground that we are all part owners in. There's 440 sites/owners. There's a comparable campground across the Highway and someone did Open Carry there and the Board there did stop it with an Emergency rule to prohibit Open Carry and the membership votes it in. I don't want that happening here and I am in the inner circle so to speak. But me and the Association President bump heads on this issue. I respect his position but don't agree with it. He and the Board have the authority to do a Temporary ban and then it needs to go to the membership to vote on for a permanent rule change. That's where I would be his biggest head ache and would do my best to educate everyone so it wouldn't pass. He has taken so much heat on this subject he is basically letting it die right now. That is till someone tries to Open carry then there's going to be issues. So I hope no one tries to do that to potentially ruin it for the rest of us that currently CCW.

How about you just elect a new president?

[lee n. field]

TFC, on 09 May 2012 - 03:25 PM, said:

One step at a time, buddy.... one step at a time.

"Let a thousand flowers bloom"