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[FAL]

I found this part well-written and articulate.

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Limiting Second Amendment rights to the home would effectively
read the term “bear” out of the Constitution. The explicit guarantee of the
right to “bear” arms would mean little if it did not protect the right to
“bear” arms outside of the home where they are “kept.” The most fundamental
canons of construction forbid any interpretation that would relegate
this language to the status of meaningless surplus. See, e.g., Wright v. United
States, 302 U.S. 583, 588 (1938). The courts are not free to ignore the
Second Amendment’s unmistakable distinction between the people’s right
of “keeping” arms and “bearing” them.

[chicago guy]

Maybe he needs to be reminded that the same sentiment applies to lots of politicians and judges and governors also!

[C0untZer0]

Is the reason that the NRA didn't site Wollard as authority because they were waiting on ruling on the stay?

And is the NRA going to allow Gura to take the lead on this now?

[bob]

C0untZer0, on 16 April 2012 - 03:26 PM, said:

And is the NRA going to allow Gura to take the lead on this now?

You joke, right? You do understand the NRA does things for its own reasons. Often they are not easy to fathom.

[JackTripper]

Bob hit the nail on the head. There is a lot of bad blood between these two groups. I imagine that some very stressful conversations are going on right now.

[GarandFan]

Well ... they can worry about that, right?  We don't have to worry about it here.

[JackTripper]

GarandFan, on 16 April 2012 - 07:23 PM, said:

Well ... they can worry about that, right?  We don't have to worry about it here.

Very true. I'll take their combined worst day in front of a judge over the government lawyer idiots that usually get fielded against the cause.

[dmefford]

GarandFan, on 16 April 2012 - 10:55 AM, said:

Citrix ... I am totally with you in regard to thoughts and feelings about the state of Illinois and their view of us. It's the kind of utter, blatant disrespect that makes one consider whether it's time for torches and pitchforks and storming the castle and all that.

I would recommend this revision.....

I am totally with you in regard to thoughts and feelings about the state of Illinois Chicago Machine and their view of us. It's the kind of utter, blatant disrespect that makes one consider whether it's time for torches and pitchforks and storming the castle and all that.

Our enemy with complete and total disregard of the People, is the Chicago Machine! They are ruling Illinois with an Iron Fist and spending our state into bankruptcy and driving out good businesses. They are the ENEMY!

Regards, Drd

[TomKoz]

Agreed.  Let's make Chicago the 51st State !

[snubjob]

JackTripper, on 16 April 2012 - 06:20 PM, said:

Bob hit the nail on the head. There is a lot of bad blood between these two groups. I imagine that some very stressful conversations are going on right now.

Yep. The two groups have very different views on how to pursue their agendas. [Our agendas]. This is much the same as the different views on this forum as to how to achieve our goals.

[snubjob]

TomKoz, on 16 April 2012 - 09:14 PM, said:

Agreed.  Let's make Chicago the 51st State !

Madigan won't even let that one out of committee.  I think more and more people are finally realizing the strength of the chicago machine. They have the final say on everything that concerns the whole state. Period. Downstate legislators could band together and overcome this, but it would cost them quite a bit of "Political capital". Now, how do we convince them that they need to do this?

Edited by snubjob, 17 April 2012 - 04:14 AM.

[FAL]

snubjob, on 17 April 2012 - 04:05 AM, said:

TomKoz, on 16 April 2012 - 09:14 PM, said:

Agreed.  Let's make Chicago the 51st State !

Madigan won't even let that one out of committee.  I think more and more people are finally realizing the strength of the chicago machine. They have the final say on everything that concerns the whole state. Period. Downstate legislators could band together and overcome this, but it would cost them quite a bit of "Political capital". Now, how do we convince them that they need to do this?

What typically happens is downstate legislators campaign against the Chicago machine, but when they are elected, they cut deals and compromise with the machine they ran against. I think the voters are starting to wake up to that, however, making it tougher for the machine to continue to control the entire state. People have had enough of the Chicago machine way...  I hope that legislators wake up to the reality that if the state continues to be run by Chicago, it will be run into the ground.

[Uncle Harley]

FAL, on 17 April 2012 - 12:17 PM, said:

snubjob, on 17 April 2012 - 04:05 AM, said:

TomKoz, on 16 April 2012 - 09:14 PM, said:

Agreed.  Let's make Chicago the 51st State !

Madigan won't even let that one out of committee.  I think more and more people are finally realizing the strength of the chicago machine. They have the final say on everything that concerns the whole state. Period. Downstate legislators could band together and overcome this, but it would cost them quite a bit of "Political capital". Now, how do we convince them that they need to do this?

What typically happens is downstate legislators campaign against the Chicago machine, but when they are elected, they cut deals and compromise with the machine they ran against. I think the voters are starting to wake up to that, however, making it tougher for the machine to continue to control the entire state. People have had enough of the Chicago machine way...  I hope that legislators wake up to the reality that if the state continues to be run by Chicago, it will be run into the ground.

really?  the people of my district  just elected someone from outside our district  funded by a Chicago rep to run against Eddy.   Luckily I think we are ok on 2A issues with him,  but still  Not everyone realizes we are up against the machine in every election  no matter what district we are in.

[bob]

FAL, on 17 April 2012 - 12:17 PM, said:

snubjob, on 17 April 2012 - 04:05 AM, said:

TomKoz, on 16 April 2012 - 09:14 PM, said:

Agreed.  Let's make Chicago the 51st State !

Madigan won't even let that one out of committee.  I think more and more people are finally realizing the strength of the chicago machine. They have the final say on everything that concerns the whole state. Period. Downstate legislators could band together and overcome this, but it would cost them quite a bit of "Political capital". Now, how do we convince them that they need to do this?

What typically happens is downstate legislators campaign against the Chicago machine, but when they are elected, they cut deals and compromise with the machine they ran against. I think the voters are starting to wake up to that, however, making it tougher for the machine to continue to control the entire state. People have had enough of the Chicago machine way...  I hope that legislators wake up to the reality that if the state continues to be run by Chicago, it will be run into the ground.

We are about as run into the ground as it gets already. Just becasue the state has not completely collapsed yet does not mean it is not teetering on the edge of doing so.

[miztic]

The brief was a great read, thanks for posting that. It completely shredded any argument the anti-gun types can make..
kind of cool to watch history unfold (slowly).

What happens if the 7th circuit grants the injunction against UUW/AUUW and the other side appeals, does that stay the injunction?

[Gray Peterson]

miztic, on 18 April 2012 - 09:39 AM, said:

The brief was a great read, thanks for posting that. It completely shredded any argument the anti-gun types can make..
kind of cool to watch history unfold (slowly).

What happens if the 7th circuit grants the injunction against UUW/AUUW and the other side appeals, does that stay the injunction?

No it does not automatically stay.  Wait for an all clear from Todd first.

[Bud]

Gray Peterson, on 18 April 2012 - 03:13 PM, said:

miztic, on 18 April 2012 - 09:39 AM, said:

The brief was a great read, thanks for posting that. It completely shredded any argument the anti-gun types can make..
kind of cool to watch history unfold (slowly).

What happens if the 7th circuit grants the injunction against UUW/AUUW and the other side appeals, does that stay the injunction?

No it does not automatically stay.  Wait for an all clear from Todd first.

and when/if that happens, I will post a video of me doing my happy dance on YouTube

Edited by Bud, 18 April 2012 - 03:27 PM.

[Lou]

Bud, on 18 April 2012 - 03:26 PM, said:

Gray Peterson, on 18 April 2012 - 03:13 PM, said:

miztic, on 18 April 2012 - 09:39 AM, said:

The brief was a great read, thanks for posting that. It completely shredded any argument the anti-gun types can make..
kind of cool to watch history unfold (slowly).

What happens if the 7th circuit grants the injunction against UUW/AUUW and the other side appeals, does that stay the injunction?

No it does not automatically stay.  Wait for an all clear from Todd first.

and when/if that happens, I will post a video of me doing my happy dance on YouTube

Owweee owweeee.     The thought of that hurts my brain....

[Hatchet]

Bud, on 18 April 2012 - 03:26 PM, said:

and when/if that happens, I will post a video of me doing my happy dance on YouTube

[Tvandermyde]

Bud please keep your clothes on

[miztic]

Bud, on 18 April 2012 - 03:26 PM, said:

Gray Peterson, on 18 April 2012 - 03:13 PM, said:

miztic, on 18 April 2012 - 09:39 AM, said:

The brief was a great read, thanks for posting that. It completely shredded any argument the anti-gun types can make..
kind of cool to watch history unfold (slowly).

What happens if the 7th circuit grants the injunction against UUW/AUUW and the other side appeals, does that stay the injunction?

No it does not automatically stay.  Wait for an all clear from Todd first.

and when/if that happens, I will post a video of me doing my happy dance on YouTube

I for one support this

[stm]

Tvandermyde, on 19 April 2012 - 08:06 AM, said:

Bud please keep your clothes on

+ 1,000,000!