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[duckies]

Just looking for some info on how the qualifications is done. What type of target, distances, and numbers needed to qualify. Any info would be greatly appreciated.

[frankw438]

duckies, on 20 March 2012 - 09:51 PM, said:

Just looking for some info on how the qualifications is done. What type of target, distances, and numbers needed to qualify. Any info would be greatly appreciated.

According to the rules from the Illinois Department of Financial & Professional Regulation:

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Section 1240.510  Firearm Training Course

a)         No registered employee shall be allowed to perform duties that require the use, carrying or possession of a firearm until that employee has completed the 20 hours of basic training required by the Act, and has satisfactorily completed a 20-hour firearm training course approved by the Division.  The firearm training course shall include both classroom instruction and firing range experience.  Classroom instruction shall include, but not be limited to, the following subject matter:
1)         Legal use of firearms;
2)         Ethical and moral considerations of weapons use;
3)         Liability for acts while armed;
4)         Use of deadly force;
5)         Search, seizure and arrest procedures while armed;
6)         Firearm safety and maintenance; and
7)         Fundamentals of firearm use:
A)        Stance;
        Grip;
C)        Sight alignment;
D)        Sight picture; and
E)         Trigger control.

         Each student shall be allotted time on the firing range to apply, in supervised practice, the techniques and methods described in subsection (a).  The personal firearm of each student or the firearm assigned to the student shall be inspected for safety and approved by the range master prior to the beginning of actual range firing.  Instruction shall include double-action shooting.

c)         The range where the training is to be given, whether indoor or outdoor, shall be maintained in a safe condition and shall be located in an area where the firing of live ammunition is allowed.  In determining whether the range is maintained in a safe condition, the Division shall conduct an on-site inspection and shall consider the following factors:
1)         Safety of participants;
2)         Safety of any persons or property in the area;
3)         Safety maintenance procedures; and
4)         Operational rules and policy.

d)         Upon application to the Division, any firearm training course approved by the Illinois Community College Board and/or Illinois Board of Higher Education that requires the firing of a minimum of 50 live rounds of ammunition and a minimum qualification score of 70% will be approved as satisfying the requirements of this Section.

e)         Upon application to the Division, any Law Enforcement Firearms Instructor Course approved and registered by the National Rifle Association that requires the firing of a minimum of 50 live rounds of ammunition and a minimum qualification score of 70% will be approved for the range portion of the training.

f)          Each individual shall be required to fire a minimum of 50 rounds of live ammunition (factory loaded service ammunition or factory reloaded ammunition).

g)         Each student must qualify with a minimum score of 70% with each type of weapon (revolver, semi‑automatic, shotgun, rifle) he/she will be authorized to carry.

h)         The range instructor shall be responsible for maintaining a safe range environment.  Any student who refuses to adhere to proper safety requirements shall be dismissed from training by the instructor or the range master.  The range master shall also have full authority as to whether a weapon is in safe operating condition.

i)          Upon completion of the training, each student must successfully complete a written examination.  A copy of the examination shall be made available to the Division upon request (e.g., course audit).  The examination shall test the subjects encompassed in both classroom and range instruction.  Passage of the examination shall require a score of 75%.

j)          Each instructor shall file with the Division, on forms provided by the Division, Certification of Completion of Firearm Training for each student who successfully completes the training.  Upon receipt by the Division of the Certification of Completion of Firearm Training, a Certificate of Training shall be issued to the student which shall bear the training number assigned by the Division.

k)         The Certificate of Firearm Training shall be the permanent record of firearm training and shall be retained by the individual as proof of the training.  During the term of the individual's employment with an agency licensed by the Division, the Certificate of Training or certified copy shall be filed by the employer with the employee statement required by Section 35-30( of the Act and shall remain in the employee file during the term of employment.  Upon termination of employment, the original Certificate of Firearm Training shall be returned to the employee.

l)          In the case that the employee is employed by more than one employer, a notarized copy of the Certificate of Firearm Training shall be kept with the employee statement required by Section 35-30( of the Act in lieu of the original Certificate of Firearm Training.

m)        Those persons employed as registered armed employees on August 5, 2003 shall be considered to have completed the training prescribed in this Section.

n)         The training requirements of this Section shall be waived for an individual approved by the Division as an instructor under the provisions of Section 1240.515.  Such individual shall, upon application to the Division, be issued a Certificate of Firearm Training by the Division.

Basically, the course of fire is submitted to the state for approval, and can vary from instructor to instructor, or from employer to employer. But it's a minimum of 50 rounds, with a minimum passing score of 70%. Employers can set higher standards.

-- Frank

Edited by frankw438, 21 March 2012 - 01:53 PM.

[Hatchet]

for pistol its 3 distance, 50 rounds. 5, 7, & 10 yards I believe.

[junglebob]

Hatchet, on 22 March 2012 - 06:41 AM, said:

for pistol its 3 distance, 50 rounds. 5, 7, & 10 yards I believe.

I took a NRA Protection in the Home Course and had an add on class where we did this qualification everyone but one person whose handgun wasn't properly sighted passed on the first try.  One of the instructors tried his gun told him how it was off he tried again and passed by compensating.  One woman commented so this is all police need to do to qualify?



BTW the large majority of the rounds are fired at 5 & 7 yards you might be able to miss most or all at 10 and pass.

Edited by junglebob, 22 March 2012 - 07:37 AM.

[Lou]

junglebob, on 22 March 2012 - 07:33 AM, said:

Hatchet, on 22 March 2012 - 06:41 AM, said:

for pistol its 3 distance, 50 rounds. 5, 7, & 10 yards I believe.

I took a NRA Protection in the Home Course and had an add on class where we did this qualification everyone but one person whose handgun wasn't properly sighted passed on the first try.  One of the instructors tried his gun told him how it was off he tried again and passed by compensating.  One woman commented so this is all police need to do to qualify?



BTW the large majority of the rounds are fired at 5 & 7 yards you might be able to miss most or all at 10 and pass.

The state mandated course of fire for LEOs is only 30 rounds.

[stm]

30 rounds? Is that the retired LEO course? Otherwise I thought each PD could design their own course, within certain guidelines, usually 48-50 rounds or more.

I think one local PD lets their officers shoot the IPA PPC match for qualifications.

[Lou]

stm, on 22 March 2012 - 10:40 AM, said:

30 rounds? Is that the retired LEO course? Otherwise I thought each PD could design their own course, within certain guidelines, usually 48-50 rounds or more.

I think one local PD lets their officers shoot the IPA PPC match for qualifications.

It changed several years ago and is now standardized in IL.  it can be made more challenging but in their infinite wisdom the ILGA came up with the 30 rd course.     The retired LEO qualification started it all.   The ILGA got involved to get around King Richard II.  It's a long story and it's too hard to type on this danged IPhone