IGOLD 2012 various discussions
#1
Posted 07 March 2012 - 09:57 PM
GOOD! I'll take constitutional carry any day of the week when we win our court cases. Then it will be THEM that are begging please conceal your weapon.
#2
Posted 08 March 2012 - 06:12 AM
ilphil, on 07 March 2012 - 10:10 PM, said:
Yeah...more than a thousand...try about 6000 - 7000.
The media is just not capable of telling the truth.
Let's be sure not to stretch the truth ourselves or our complaints about the media are null and void. There were not 6 thousand of us.
-Thomas Jefferson-
Now two flags fly above my land that really sum up how I feel. One is the colors that fly high and proud the red, the white, the blue. The other ones got a rattle snake with a simple statement made, don't tread on me, is what it says and I'll take that to my grave
-Aaron Lewis-
#3
Posted 08 March 2012 - 08:24 AM
-Thomas Jefferson-
Now two flags fly above my land that really sum up how I feel. One is the colors that fly high and proud the red, the white, the blue. The other ones got a rattle snake with a simple statement made, don't tread on me, is what it says and I'll take that to my grave
-Aaron Lewis-
#4
Posted 08 March 2012 - 08:29 AM
Uncle Harley, on 07 March 2012 - 09:57 PM, said:
GOOD! I'll take constitutional carry any day of the week when we win our court cases. Then it will be THEM that are begging please conceal your weapon.
I could kiss you
#5
Posted 08 March 2012 - 08:30 AM
Based on my observations at the convention center I would say there were about 20% or so less than last year.
Whatever the figure, the march to the capitol for the last 5 years or so has been an impressive sight. In more modern terminology it is just awesome!
-- Benjamin Franklin, 1776
Life Member NRA, ISRA, CCRKBA & SAF
#6
Posted 08 March 2012 - 08:35 AM
-Thomas Jefferson-
Now two flags fly above my land that really sum up how I feel. One is the colors that fly high and proud the red, the white, the blue. The other ones got a rattle snake with a simple statement made, don't tread on me, is what it says and I'll take that to my grave
-Aaron Lewis-
#7
Posted 08 March 2012 - 09:32 AM
Trying to think back I would say that 1/3 of the folks in line said "I do not have one of those.
PS Next year bring a 1 gal zip lock bag and put your drivers license on top of everything.
The police liked this idea and said it sped up the time to enter by about 1/3.
#8
Posted 08 March 2012 - 09:43 AM
My estimate is closer to 9,000 to 10,000 and I'm sticking to it.
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#9
Posted 08 March 2012 - 10:06 AM
BadWaterBill, on 08 March 2012 - 09:32 AM, said:
Trying to think back I would say that 1/3 of the folks in line said "I do not have one of those.
PS Next year bring a 1 gal zip lock bag and put your drivers license on top of everything.
The police liked this idea and said it sped up the time to enter by about 1/3.
Why the driver's license? It's not required to enter. We used quart sized ziplocs for change, keys, pens with metal and even pocketknives under 3" blades. No need to remove belts, shoes or wallets unless the wallet has a metal key in it or the belt buckle is huge. It's not nearly as tight as TSA security points.
T
The Roman Empire fell due to a large, corrupt government, overspending, an overextended military, insecure borders, and the illegal immigration of Goths, barbarians (anyone who was not educated), and religious fanatics. Sound familiar?
"..it does not require a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority keen to set brush fires in people's minds.."
--Samuel Adams
Luke 11:21 - "When a strong man, fully armed, guards his own house, his possessions are undisturbed." NASB
#10
Posted 08 March 2012 - 12:01 PM
The White jackets in the building were from a pharmacological lobby interest this year.
#11
Posted 08 March 2012 - 12:52 PM
Yas, on 08 March 2012 - 12:01 PM, said:
The White jackets in the building were from a pharmacological lobby interest this year.
I was thinking maybe next year have some folks outside the doors giving a adhesive signal dot (for their shirt or jacket) for everyone from IGOLD without an IGOLD shirt or hat and have someone inside each door counting people as they go through security. We'd have a number to give to the media then.
I wonder if ISP troopers could give us the normal number of people visiting the capitol building on a wednesday, maybe the pharmacological lobby could give us an idea how many they had there. The excess could be figured as IGOLD folks, unless some other group was there.
Edited by junglebob, 08 March 2012 - 12:56 PM.
Remember the 1991 Luby Cafeteria Massacre of the Unarmed (Kileen, Texas before Texas Concealed Carry) Do we need 23 people to die in a similar incident before we're allowed effective self defense?
Three school masacres have been stopped by civilians with firearms. Two with handguns and the third by a guy with a shotgun. (Pearl, Ms; Appalacian School of Law; Edinboro,Pa)
#12
Posted 08 March 2012 - 01:17 PM
junglebob, on 08 March 2012 - 12:52 PM, said:
Yas, on 08 March 2012 - 12:01 PM, said:
The White jackets in the building were from a pharmacological lobby interest this year.
I was thinking maybe next year have some folks outside the doors giving a adhesive signal dot (for their shirt or jacket) for everyone from IGOLD without an IGOLD shirt or hat and have someone inside each door counting people as they go through security. We'd have a number to give to the media then.
I wonder if ISP troopers could give us the normal number of people visiting the capitol building on a wednesday, maybe the pharmacological lobby could give us an idea how many they had there. The excess could be figured as IGOLD folks, unless some other group was there.
That would be the Secretary of State Police. They are the agency responsible for Capitol Security, not ISP. Different agencies.
Tim
The Roman Empire fell due to a large, corrupt government, overspending, an overextended military, insecure borders, and the illegal immigration of Goths, barbarians (anyone who was not educated), and religious fanatics. Sound familiar?
"..it does not require a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority keen to set brush fires in people's minds.."
--Samuel Adams
Luke 11:21 - "When a strong man, fully armed, guards his own house, his possessions are undisturbed." NASB
#13
Posted 08 March 2012 - 01:54 PM
"because we have a fairly large hammer. . .And I get to play Thor." Todd Vandermyde 12/15/12
#14
Posted 08 March 2012 - 02:57 PM
Your drivers license gives proof at a glance who actually owns a bag. This was suggested by one of the senior officers, to avoid any problems.
As far as the knife thing goes, one officer said 1.5" closed another said 3" overall. None of the officers has a ruler so it is their call weather you keep your knife or loose it.
I personally have carried a knife in my pocket for over 65 years and feel nekid without one. But we all know about security checks so leave it either at home or on the bus or car before trying to enter the building.
The one gal ziplock bag is easier to load and to grab at the end of the security check. They only cost a couple cents more but can help speed up the check system. If you had to stand outside in a downpour or a 0 degree snowie windy day I am quite sure you would want the folks in front of you to HURRY UP.
My belt buckle has triggered EVERY alarm I have tried to sneek it past, be the buckle a steel or sterling silver one. It is all about getting us inside of the building as fast as possible.
At a guess the police said OUR changes this year cut the time by 1/3. Do your part and next year we can have hit the 50% mark.
#15
Posted 08 March 2012 - 03:02 PM
"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote."-- Benjamin Franklin
#16
Posted 08 March 2012 - 06:32 PM
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Be an IGOLD Marshal! Your mother would be proud!
"What if they threw a huge pro-gun demonstration in an anti-gun political capital and nobody volunteered?"
(With apologies to Bertolt Brecht. Sorry, Mr. Brecht.)
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#17
Posted 08 March 2012 - 06:34 PM
Don Gwinn, on 08 March 2012 - 06:32 PM, said:
Great idea! But I believe the rules of the Capitol forbid us to sell stuff on the grounds. How about soliciting donations? Any rules against it?? Just a thought.
Tim
The Roman Empire fell due to a large, corrupt government, overspending, an overextended military, insecure borders, and the illegal immigration of Goths, barbarians (anyone who was not educated), and religious fanatics. Sound familiar?
"..it does not require a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority keen to set brush fires in people's minds.."
--Samuel Adams
Luke 11:21 - "When a strong man, fully armed, guards his own house, his possessions are undisturbed." NASB
#18
Posted 08 March 2012 - 07:12 PM
abolt243, on 08 March 2012 - 06:34 PM, said:
Don Gwinn, on 08 March 2012 - 06:32 PM, said:
Great idea! But I believe the rules of the Capitol forbid us to sell stuff on the grounds. How about soliciting donations? Any rules against it?? Just a thought.
Tim
#19
Posted 08 March 2012 - 07:52 PM
samy12386, on 08 March 2012 - 08:29 AM, said:
Uncle Harley, on 07 March 2012 - 09:57 PM, said:
GOOD! I'll take constitutional carry any day of the week when we win our court cases. Then it will be THEM that are begging please conceal your weapon.
I could kiss you
don't be upset if I tell you to keep the skoal ! LOL
#20
Posted 08 March 2012 - 08:03 PM
Molly B., on 08 March 2012 - 07:12 PM, said:
abolt243, on 08 March 2012 - 06:34 PM, said:
Don Gwinn, on 08 March 2012 - 06:32 PM, said:
Great idea! But I believe the rules of the Capitol forbid us to sell stuff on the grounds. How about soliciting donations? Any rules against it?? Just a thought.
Tim
Rules? Rules? We don't need no stinkin' rules!!!
It came up so I thought I'd pass it along.
If nothing else I'm gonna hit every sale for the next year and donate the baggies to hand out myself for our next IGOLD/Victory Celebration.
Heck, if I believe the NE Illinois media I'll only have to buy a few boxes.
\sarcasm mode now off.
"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote."-- Benjamin Franklin
#21
Posted 08 March 2012 - 08:05 PM
#22
Posted 08 March 2012 - 08:11 PM
http://www.amazon.co..._pr_product_top
Edited by Uncle Harley, 08 March 2012 - 08:12 PM.
#23
Posted 08 March 2012 - 08:45 PM
BadWaterBill, on 08 March 2012 - 09:32 AM, said:
Trying to think back I would say that 1/3 of the folks in line said "I do not have one of those."
sigh.
My goodness, how? Kind of hard to miss when you have to run the gauntlet to get into the PCCC, then have the speakers re-iterating "take the packet, fill out the cards...".
Edited by lee n. field, 08 March 2012 - 08:46 PM.
Why would you have the day of the LORD?
It is darkness, and not light,"
#24
Posted 08 March 2012 - 09:17 PM
Can we get enough volunteers to stay at each and every door of each building and stay there counting till the job is done. I personally think there should be 2 for each door. It takes a loooong time so some relief would be appreciated.
Don can you start now collecting names now? Mine also
#25
Posted 08 March 2012 - 09:20 PM
lee n. field, on 08 March 2012 - 08:45 PM, said:
BadWaterBill, on 08 March 2012 - 09:32 AM, said:
Trying to think back I would say that 1/3 of the folks in line said "I do not have one of those."
sigh.
My goodness, how? Kind of hard to miss when you have to run the gauntlet to get into the PCCC, then have the speakers re-iterating "take the packet, fill out the cards...".
I honestly think Half the people didn't show up in the convention center. I looked around and it looked like maybe 1500 people in there, and when I saw the march I thought holy cow we multiplied by 10 fold.
#26
Posted 08 March 2012 - 10:10 PM
My thoughts on the loose pocket change were to facilitate the line waits. Call it a brass dump. Decide to donate it to something worthy. ISRA legal fund, perhaps shooter education camps for kids.
No matter how much I try to prep myself for security I mess up a bit. This year I wore pants with metal snaps on the pockets and some how had about 34 cents in change. Though I swear I de-coined my pockets leaving home. But I hit mcdonalds before the bus (so that explained the change that afternoon) Not a big deal as I was the last person going into the building.
But digging around in those giant totes adds time to everybody's wait behind you when your trying to grab those last few coins skittering around in the plastic tote.
#27
Posted 09 March 2012 - 04:21 AM
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#28
Posted 09 March 2012 - 04:40 AM
#29
Posted 09 March 2012 - 07:47 AM
Read full release here
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#30
Posted 09 March 2012 - 11:15 AM
ishmo, on 09 March 2012 - 07:47 AM, said:
Thanks for posting the link. I was waiting on the count... I had guessed 5000 just based on looking around PCCC. Nice to see I was too low!
And I noticed the security lines went much faster this year, even with fewer entrances to use. Lots of people had good ideas on making the lines flow smoother; they really did work!
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