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[Sigma]

She is so full of crap. She said gas prices was Bush fault then but not Obama's now?

Can you imagine a blind date with this woman.

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[Jefferson24]

It would be nice just once to hear someone say "I was wrong".  Instead all you ever get are excuses, half truths and some actual lies.   Oh course Michigan democrats voted for Santorum because they feel Romney would be a more difficult opponent.  If Bush had a big influence over gas prices then Obama does also, you cant make a legitimate case that one does and not the other.  Watching this lady watch herself on tape 5 years ago and then basically say that was true then but isn't now! Come on MAN!

Edited by Jefferson24, 29 February 2012 - 04:45 PM.

[Lou]

Mann is she an idiot.   I couldn't watch the entire segment. All she did was spout a bunch if talking points without ever answering a question.

[oneshot]

Sigma, on 29 February 2012 - 04:06 PM, said:

Can you imagine a blind date with this woman.

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I'd be afraid of her trying to mate with me and then eat me!  

[Hawk44]

She is nothing but another Obama PUPPET.

[TFC]

The answer to the root question is no.
Obamacare/Romneycare is going to happen, which will crash what little economic recovery that there is.

Those who want to get their hands on the pile of money that forced health care will generate will get what they want no matter who gets elected.
WE ARE SCREWED.

[belercous]

Democrats fear Romney the most, but he won't win. Mitt's running on the economy, but the economy's getting better everyday. Mitt's a "businessman," but gov. is not a business, if it were Trump would be Pres. And we just had a "businessman" for Pres. That didn't turn out too good.

Presidents don't control the price of gas, the world market does. Thought that was common knowledge, like 40 years ago.

[Mr. Fife]

What a hairlip!

[Buzzard]

belercous, on 29 February 2012 - 10:23 PM, said:

Presidents don't control the price of gas, the world market does. Thought that was common knowledge, like 40 years ago.

That's NOT what we heard during the Bush years!!

[belercous]

Fife; "Hairlip?" Do you mean a mustache? Not getting that reference. Did you mean "harelip?" It's used in reference to those born with a cleft palate. Didn't know that birth defects were all that funny or indicative of one's intelligence. Either way, still not getting the reference.

Care to elaborate so we can all be in on the reference?

[Mr. Fife]

belercous, on 29 February 2012 - 11:33 PM, said:

Fife; "Hairlip?" Do you mean a mustache? Not getting that reference. Did you mean "harelip?" It's used in reference to those born with a cleft palate. Didn't know that birth defects were all that funny or indicative of one's intelligence. Either way, still not getting the reference.

Care to elaborate so we can all be in on the reference?

Thanks for the lesson on cleft palates. I guess I should have checked the word in my dictionary first, since I had a different idea of what it really means. I even misspelled it, having only heard the word before and never seeing it in print. I stand corrected and thanks for pointing it out.

That's the word that popped into my head when I watched her speak in the video. She looks like she's talking out of one side of her asymmetrical mouth. Thanks again for keeping me honest there bel.

[Tompo]

Jefferson24, on 29 February 2012 - 04:44 PM, said:

It would be nice just once to hear someone say "I was wrong".  Instead all you ever get are excuses, half truths and some actual lies.   Oh course Michigan democrats voted for Santorum because they feel Romney would be a more difficult opponent.  If Bush had a big influence over gas prices then Obama does also, you cant make a legitimate case that one does and not the other.  Watching this lady watch herself on tape 5 years ago and then basically say that was true then but isn't now! Come on MAN!

The difference is--Bush claimed to be an "oil man".  And actively campaigned on his ability to lower gas prices.

[Tompo]

belercous, on 29 February 2012 - 10:23 PM, said:

Democrats fear Romney the most, but he won't win. Mitt's running on the economy, but the economy's getting better everyday. Mitt's a "businessman," but gov. is not a business, if it were Trump would be Pres. And we just had a "businessman" for Pres. That didn't turn out too good.

Presidents don't control the price of gas, the world market does. Thought that was common knowledge, like 40 years ago.

Trump is a poor "businessman".  He's filed for bankruptcy multiple times. How can a guy LOSE money owning a casino? Is THAT the kind of "business experience" we want?

Oil is priced on the world market. Not the US market. Once the oil comes out of the ground, regardless of where, it's the market price.

[boomersand]

Wow!  Poor Gretchen, how did she keep her cool listening to this idiot?!

[wazzle]

Actually, Moveon.org rallied democrats to cross party lines and vote in one of the primaries yesterday. Santorum got 50% of the Democrat votes, Romney, 7%. The Democrats want Santorum to win as they think he will be easier to beat in the November election.

[gravyboy77]

wazzle, on 01 March 2012 - 09:08 AM, said:

Actually, Moveon.org rallied democrats to cross party lines and vote in one of the primaries yesterday. Santorum got 50% of the Democrat votes, Romney, 7%. The Democrats want Santorum to win as they think he will be easier to beat in the November election.

It actually worked in a way, Romney only won by 3 1/2 points in Michigan and exit polls showed that 1 out of every 10 votes was a Democratic one. It wasn't just the Democrats trying to get their own to cross over and vote for Santorum, his own campaign was robocalling Democratic voters directly trying to get them to come out and vote for him.

[Jeffrey]

If they split the points at 15 each, is there really a winner?

[gravyboy77]

Jeffrey, on 01 March 2012 - 10:12 AM, said:

If they split the points at 15 each, is there really a winner?

The one with the most votes wins (Romney), Michigan just has a goofy way that they appoint their delegates..

[Sigma]

belercous, on 29 February 2012 - 10:23 PM, said:

Democrats fear Romney the most, but he won't win. Mitt's running on the economy, but the economy's getting better everyday. Mitt's a "businessman," but gov. is not a business, if it were Trump would be Pres. And we just had a "businessman" for Pres. That didn't turn out too good.

Presidents don't control the price of gas, the world market does. Thought that was common knowledge, like 40 years ago.

did you see the video when she blamed gas prices on bush?

[belercous]

Why would I listen to noise? W was no more to blame for high gas prices than Obama. The only people (but there are a lot of them) who believe that stuff are fairly uninformed on most thing political. Presidents don't set the price of gas, the world market does.

One thing that would have lowered gas prices in the U.S. was the Dem's proposal to fast-track the XL pipeline which required that the product be sold in the USA. The GOP didn't want that. Seems they don't really want the price of gas to be lowered here afterall. Big surprise, huh?

[lieut89]

Tompo, on 01 March 2012 - 08:08 AM, said:

Jefferson24, on 29 February 2012 - 04:44 PM, said:

It would be nice just once to hear someone say "I was wrong".  Instead all you ever get are excuses, half truths and some actual lies.   Oh course Michigan democrats voted for Santorum because they feel Romney would be a more difficult opponent.  If Bush had a big influence over gas prices then Obama does also, you cant make a legitimate case that one does and not the other.  Watching this lady watch herself on tape 5 years ago and then basically say that was true then but isn't now! Come on MAN!

The difference is--Bush claimed to be an "oil man".  And actively campaigned on his ability to lower gas prices.

I don't recall that being a part of either campaign. I recall him stumping for more energy independence by opening up more drilling opportunities, but I don't recall him directly saying that he would or could lower gas prices at the pump. Gas prices in 2000 were on average $1.60 a gallon, I don't think the cost of gas was a big issue in 2000. In 2004 gas was $1.85, again not the heaviest of hitter's on the campaign trail.

[Sigma]

And 2008 when Obama took office it was 1.85

The point is, the Democrat Chairwomen said exactly what Belercous said. She said gas prices is not Obama's fault. Then we watched a couple of clips when she was all over Bush as she blamed him for the gas prices. This video just points out her bs.

[Hossua]

Tompo, on 01 March 2012 - 08:11 AM, said:

belercous, on 29 February 2012 - 10:23 PM, said:

Democrats fear Romney the most, but he won't win. Mitt's running on the economy, but the economy's getting better everyday. Mitt's a "businessman," but gov. is not a business, if it were Trump would be Pres. And we just had a "businessman" for Pres. That didn't turn out too good.

Presidents don't control the price of gas, the world market does. Thought that was common knowledge, like 40 years ago.

Trump is a poor "businessman".  He's filed for bankruptcy multiple times. How can a guy LOSE money owning a casino? Is THAT the kind of "business experience" we want?

Oil is priced on the world market. Not the US market. Once the oil comes out of the ground, regardless of where, it's the market price.

Reality Check on the relationship of the fiat currency to gas prices.

Edited by Hossua, 03 March 2012 - 08:57 PM.

[belercous]

Seriously? This is not a source. The value of oil is tied to gold? WTF? No, it's not, oil is priced in American dollars on the world market.

Anyone hear the intro where they said that "you won't hear this anywhere else?" There's a reason for that, and if one listens it becomes apparent real quick. This weirdness sounds like something Glenn Beck would come up with. Think about it; all the world's journalists, news departments & wire services didn't come up with this, but some low-budget internet site does? A little critical thinking will go a long way.

[Hossua]

belercous, on 04 March 2012 - 10:21 PM, said:

Seriously? This is not a source. The value of oil is tied to gold? WTF? No, it's not, oil is priced in American dollars on the world market.

Anyone hear the intro where they said that "you won't hear this anywhere else?" There's a reason for that, and if one listens it becomes apparent real quick. This weirdness sounds like something Glenn Beck would come up with. Think about it; all the world's journalists, news departments & wire services didn't come up with this, but some low-budget internet site does? A little critical thinking will go a long way.

Ya, I noticed that too. The oil tied to gold thing, I don't think that is what he meant. He said it though, so hmmm.
I believe his point was to compare the price of another commodity to oil and show that the price is not high when compared to that commodity.
Of course gold has been driven up by fear in the last few years, so it cannot be fully blamed on currency manipulation.
Not some low-budget internet site. Reality Check is a segment on a local news fox affiliate in Cincinnati.

Edited by Hossua, 05 March 2012 - 06:06 AM.

[belercous]

It's on a Fox affiliate, that explains a lot. I assumed it was low-budget since reputable sources check their facts before airing a story.

[Hossua]

belercous, on 06 March 2012 - 10:19 PM, said:

It's on a Fox affiliate, that explains a lot. I assumed it was low-budget since reputable sources check their facts before airing a story.

Besides the gold thing, which could have simply been semantics; what facts are we talking about here. If you are going to tear it down, you might as well educate us on what is wrong with it. Talking down to people is good and all, but it's better with an explanation.

[gravyboy77]

Looks like Mitt might have this thing locked up very soon.....he won 6 out of 10 states last night after coming into super Tuesday with 5 wins in a row, he definitely has the wind at his back.

Some folks are already saying that he will be the nominee.

[Sigma]

Do the Democrats want to match Obama up with Mitt or Santorum?

[belercous]

Houssa; I quit watching the video soon after hearing them say that oil was priced according to gold. Anyone who doesn't know that oil is priced in American Dollars ought not be commenting on the price of oil because clearly they have no idea of what they're talking about, the credibility level is zero. A sixth-grader wouldn't say something that dumb. How could anyone take him seriously after saying that?

Sigma; The Dems clearly would rather face Santorum in Nov. because he's unelectable. Romney won't be able to win in `12 either, but he'll be able to come closer than anyone else the GOP has in the race. The RNC would be wise to focus their attention on minimizing the loss of seats in the House & trying win more in the Senate.