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[dmefford]

Ted spoke for the Republicans at a $100 per plate dinner. What a great speech.

Here is the full length speech if you have time...



Here is the short version edited by me. You gotta listen to this one at least referencing the FOID Card....



Enjoy!

Dr. Dan

Edited by dmefford, 13 February 2012 - 06:56 PM.

[riversludge]

Yet no one wants to go after the FOID card...

[kurt555gs]

riversludge, on 13 February 2012 - 07:21 PM, said:

Yet no one wants to go after the FOID card...

+1

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[dmefford]

I think it is time....... We have a whole bunch of Reps and Senators that need to start putting their bills where there mouth is!!! They claim to be for us it is time to collect!

Regards, Drd

[papa]

riversludge, on 13 February 2012 - 07:21 PM, said:

Yet no one wants to go after the FOID card...

I don't like the FOID either but it ranks way down on the list of other things we gun owners need to work on.

1) LTC

2) other things as we agree on them to fight.

[kurt555gs]

papa, on 13 February 2012 - 07:40 PM, said:

riversludge, on 13 February 2012 - 07:21 PM, said:

Yet no one wants to go after the FOID card...

I don't like the FOID either but it ranks way down on the list of other things we gun owners need to work on.

1) LTC

2) other things as we agree on them to fight.

As Tonto said to the Lone Ranger, " what you mean we "?

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[Karl B. Andersen]

I just watched the entire thing and it was inspiring on many levels.
More than simply 2A topics.

[dmefford]

papa, on 13 February 2012 - 07:40 PM, said:

riversludge, on 13 February 2012 - 07:21 PM, said:

Yet no one wants to go after the FOID card...

I don't like the FOID either but it ranks way down on the list of other things we gun owners need to work on.

1) LTC

2) other things as we agree on them to fight.

LTC = ???

How would you categorize and/or prioritize the issues?

Regards, Drd

[bersa380]

I think the FOID card would be great if I could use it as a ccw permit. Or if it could also be used when purchasing a firearm to eliminate the 24 and 72 hour waiting period. /sarcasm think of the chaos that would ensue if that happened. /sarcasm

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[papa]

dmefford, on 13 February 2012 - 07:48 PM, said:

papa, on 13 February 2012 - 07:40 PM, said:

riversludge, on 13 February 2012 - 07:21 PM, said:

Yet no one wants to go after the FOID card...

I don't like the FOID either but it ranks way down on the list of other things we gun owners need to work on.

1) LTC

2) other things as we agree on them to fight.

LTC = ???

How would you categorize and/or prioritize the issues?

Regards, Drd

LTC = license to carry ( not just guns but asp batons , knives , etc....)

2) how about sound suppressors , SBR's ( short barrel rifles ), etc.....

I would gladly pay my $1.00 per year for the FOID to get some of , or all of the above.

[riversludge]

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As Tonto said to the Lone Ranger, " what you mean we "?

LOL yea we...
I could tell you who we is and how that all plays out..

We need to get some form of carry, be it open or concealed.
So we either go after the uuw law taking simple majority vote to repeal.
Or create a new law taking super majority to pass.
We got a  the bill ...

[riversludge]

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I would gladly pay my $1.00 per year for the FOID to get some of , or all of the above.

Why ?
Why would you gladly pay to exercise your right?

[abolt243]

Lots of things to work on.  Do you really want to drop all efforts for CCW (RTC/LTC/CC) and use our political caiptal on getting rid of the FOID?  Wouldn't that be great??  No more $1 per year!!  Of course, we still wouldn't be able to carry a gun to defend our families or ourselves.  We'd still be the 1 state out of 50 with no carry law.  And places like Chicago, Oak Park, and others would be able to tell you what kind of gun you can buy/own or even if you can!

And you'd still have to wait to pick up your gun after purchase.

We've got the FOID, and right now it gives us a little political cover to pass some other things.  Let's get RTC, let's get statewide pre-emption of ALL gun laws.  While we're at it, we'll work on getting the CCW license or the FOID to eliminate the waiting period.  Then we go from there.

Yeah, I want to get rid of the FOID as much as anyone, but first things first.

As to Uncle Ted.  I like him, he's direct, he's forceful and he says things that some of us would like to say but don't.  But you know what?

He'd impress me a lot more with a $500,000 donation to ISRA to help us in our fight.  

JMHO
Tim

[Rem870]

Karl B. Andersen, on 13 February 2012 - 07:44 PM, said:

I just watched the entire thing and it was inspiring on many levels.
More than simply 2A topics.

I also just watched the whole thing.  I have always thought we need Ted at IGOLD.

[riversludge]

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He'd impress me a lot more with a $500,000 donation to ISRA to help us in our fight.

I would love to here Uncle Teds thoughts on the ISRA...

[abolt243]

riversludge, on 13 February 2012 - 08:42 PM, said:

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He'd impress me a lot more with a $500,000 donation to ISRA to help us in our fight.

I would love to here Uncle Teds thoughts on the ISRA...

I don't care to hear his thoughts.  It's what we've got working for us and doing a pretty good job considering the power of the Chicago/Democratic machine and the Joyce Foundation.  You got another state based organization that is sponsoring 3-4 lobbyists in Springfield??  

Uncle Ted is cool and all, but he's like lots of other celebrities with a cause.  He kicks in a small percentage of his own money, but he really likes to talk others into spending theirs.

As always, it's Just MHO.

Tim

[riversludge]

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You got another state based organization that is sponsoring 3-4 lobbyists in Springfield??

Who is the ISRA sponsoring?

[Tvandermyde]

dmefford, on 13 February 2012 - 07:48 PM, said:

papa, on 13 February 2012 - 07:40 PM, said:

riversludge, on 13 February 2012 - 07:21 PM, said:

Yet no one wants to go after the FOID card...

I don't like the FOID either but it ranks way down on the list of other things we gun owners need to work on.

1) LTC

2) other things as we agree on them to fight.

LTC = ???

How would you categorize and/or prioritize the issues?

Regards, Drd

Right To Carry First w/preemption

Then we will look at the issues that are most doable for reform.

Then we will attack those issues that we disslike the most.

there is a FOID repeal law in the hopper this year. We will let the other side come to terms with the slipping grip that Chicago and the gun haters have on the state.

[riversludge]

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We will let the other side come to terms with the slipping grip that Chicago and the gun haters have on the state.

What slipping grip?

Could we get an example?

[abolt243]

Pearson and Vinopal for two.

The slipping grip is evidenced by the fact that they have not been able to pass any substantive anti gun bills for several years now.  No AWB, no mag limits, no state wide registration.  And no prospect of getting anything passed this year.

On the other hand, we've won Diggens in the court, we've passed some bills in the legislature, and we put a strong majority on an RTC bill last session.   And the momentum is building in the NE corner of the state for even more support during this session.

[riversludge]

We are getting off track, what cases have we won to advance the right to carry?

[samy12386]

riversludge, on 13 February 2012 - 09:28 PM, said:

We are getting off track, what cases have we won to advance the right to carry?

*cricket noises*

[abolt243]

samy12386, on 13 February 2012 - 10:03 PM, said:

riversludge, on 13 February 2012 - 09:28 PM, said:

We are getting off track, what cases have we won to advance the right to carry?

*cricket noises*

Heller, McDonald.   Moore and Shepard are in progress.  Several "justified shootings" have quietly disappeard in the Chicago courts.

[papa]

riversludge, on 13 February 2012 - 08:23 PM, said:

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I would gladly pay my $1.00 per year for the FOID to get some of , or all of the above.

Why ?
Why would you gladly pay to exercise your right?

So by going on that statement , will you pay or not pay for LTC when it is passed?

I am not happy to have to pay for any right but paying that $1.00 per year for the FOID is doable for me if in return we have the right to own SBR's and AOW's. Then after getting those things , work on getting rid of FOID.

There are plenty of things to work on in this state. LOL

[Drylok]

Having to get a foid is not getting innocent people killed. Being denied the right to carry is getting people killed.

Priorities

[samy12386]

abolt243, on 13 February 2012 - 10:23 PM, said:

samy12386, on 13 February 2012 - 10:03 PM, said:

riversludge, on 13 February 2012 - 09:28 PM, said:

We are getting off track, what cases have we won to advance the right to carry?

*cricket noises*

Heller, McDonald.   Moore and Shepard are in progress.  Several "justified shootings" have quietly disappeard in the Chicago courts.

Didnt moore just get dismissed?

[aggro_jo]

abolt243, on 13 February 2012 - 08:25 PM, said:

...As to Uncle Ted....He'd impress me a lot more with a $500,000 donation to ISRA to help us in our fight.....

Don't hold your breath. This fool has made a career out of talking the talk but he sure doesn't walk the walk.

Cough Cough DRAFT DODGER Cough Cough  

[Xwing]

Drylok, on 13 February 2012 - 11:37 PM, said:

Having to get a foid is not getting innocent people killed. Being denied the right to carry is getting people killed.

Priorities

Yes!  FOID is a minor annoyance.  I think we have much bigger priorities in terms of moving for recognition of our 2nd amendment rights.

[mikew]

samy12386, on 14 February 2012 - 07:55 AM, said:

Didnt moore just get dismissed?

And appealed.

Moore v Madigan is SAF and IllinoisCarry.com's case.

Shepard v Madigan is the ISRA/NRA's case.

[mikew]

riversludge, on 13 February 2012 - 08:42 PM, said:

I would love to here Uncle Teds thoughts on the ISRA...

That begs the question, what are *your* thoughts on the ISRA?