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[Mr. Fife]

Let's disarm Quinn and see how he likes it.

Considering the new bills Rahm and Quinn are trying to move forward, I think that we should also move forward with our own bills. In particular, I think it's important to disarm Quinn of his power to suspend or limit transporting of firearms during an emergency. Remember what happened in New Orleans?

We need to get a bill going to amend the Emergency powers of Quinn before he decides to call an emergency.

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(20 ILCS 3305/7) (from Ch. 127, par. 1057)
Sec. 7. Emergency Powers of the Governor.
(a) In the event of a disaster, as defined in Section 4, the Governor may, by proclamation declare that a disaster exists. Upon such proclamation, the Governor shall have and may exercise for a period not to exceed 30 days the following emergency powers; provided, however, that the lapse of the emergency powers shall not, as regards any act or acts occurring or committed within the 30 days period, deprive any person, firm, corporation, political subdivision, or body politic of any right or rights to compensation or reimbursement which he, she, it, or they may have under the provisions of this Act:

(9) To suspend or limit the sale, dispensing, or transportation of alcoholic beverages, firearms, explosives, and combustibles.

[colt-45]

Mr. Fife, on 11 February 2012 - 12:47 PM, said:

Let's disarm Quinn and see how he likes it.

Considering the new bills Rahm and Quinn are trying to move forward, I think that we should also move forward with our own bills. In particular, I think it's important to disarm Quinn of his power to suspend or limit transporting of firearms during an emergency. Remember what happened in New Orleans?

We need to get a bill going to amend the Emergency powers of Quinn before he decides to call an emergency.

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(20 ILCS 3305/7) (from Ch. 127, par. 1057)
Sec. 7. Emergency Powers of the Governor.
(a) In the event of a disaster, as defined in Section 4, the Governor may, by proclamation declare that a disaster exists. Upon such proclamation, the Governor shall have and may exercise for a period not to exceed 30 days the following emergency powers; provided, however, that the lapse of the emergency powers shall not, as regards any act or acts occurring or committed within the 30 days period, deprive any person, firm, corporation, political subdivision, or body politic of any right or rights to compensation or reimbursement which he, she, it, or they may have under the provisions of this Act:

(9) To suspend or limit the sale, dispensing, or transportation of alcoholic beverages, firearms, explosives, and combustibles.

i agree lets get this one going i like it, but i hope it don't open a can of worms. i'm thinking more on a bill like if any Rep that imposes a bill against the 2nd amendment can be fired and fine up to $5,000.00. i think Florida just passed something like that. would any one agree on this?

[Gary]

_{REMEMBER KATRINA}

[Kaeghl]

Personally, in response to Quinn's obvious hatred of firearms and how 'evil' they are and how they turn law-abiding subjects (no citizens in Ill-anoyed, you know) into raving lunatics, I would propose a law to strip Quinn himself of any and all law-enforcement protection personel. That would keep him safe from all the 'evil, evil g-g-g-guunnnnssss'.

Yeah, no more armed guards for him, since he's so sure that we don't need them either. Sauce for the goose, sauce for the gander.

And just so he and his family know what it's like for so many of the millions of people of Ill, no 'extra' personel around him or his family, no burgaler alarms on his house, home, anywhere, unless HE pays for it out of his own pocket. Let him worry about the 'police are only minutes away' thing, just like the rest of us.

Matter of fact, how about making that law applies to all public officials, past and present.

I do think I might call my rep about that one, tomorrow. Wouldn't that be a hoot?

[vactor]

how about a bill that requires LEO's to leave their guns in locked lockers at the police station and are only allowed to have them while actually on duty working their shift, and if the shift supervisor signs a document indicating that there is a substantial need based on a credible verifiable threat (supported by a police report of the incident), otherwise the officer should be no different than the regular citizen.  this way the guns will not be stolen from the homes of police officers or from their persons if they are assaulted.  

speaking of, why DO police officers have special powers to possess and carry firearms while NOT on duty working their assigned shift?

[Patriots & Tyrants]

Just today a Chicago PD Officer shot and killed someone who was trying to use a van to ram through his garage door. If that had been you or me EVEN IF WE DID OWN A GUN, would have had to sit with our thumbs up our asses and hope that the cops get there before he gets away.

[colt-45]

vactor, on 11 February 2012 - 07:47 PM, said:

how about a bill that requires LEO's to leave their guns in locked lockers at the police station and are only allowed to have them while actually on duty working their shift, and if the shift supervisor signs a document indicating that there is a substantial need based on a credible verifiable threat (supported by a police report of the incident), otherwise the officer should be no different than the regular citizen. this way the guns will not be stolen from the homes of police officers or from their persons if they are assaulted.

speaking of, why DO police officers have special powers to possess and carry firearms while NOT on duty working their assigned shift?

cause cops by law are never off duty, there just in plain cloths for the rest of the day. thats what off duty means is when they are in plain clothes.

[Buzzard]

vactor, on 11 February 2012 - 07:47 PM, said:

how about a bill that requires LEO's to leave their guns in locked lockers at the police station and are only allowed to have them while actually on duty working their shift, and if the shift supervisor signs a document indicating that there is a substantial need based on a credible verifiable threat (supported by a police report of the incident), otherwise the officer should be no different than the regular citizen. this way the guns will not be stolen from the homes of police officers or from their persons if they are assaulted.

speaking of, why DO police officers have special powers to possess and carry firearms while NOT on duty working their assigned shift?

[Sarcasm]

Yeah. Let's do that and piss off every LEO fraternal organization that has signed on as a supporter of HB148. And who could blame them when they pulled their support and said "Sorry - you're on your own."

[/Sarcasm]

I can understand being mad at Quinn. But why are you mad at the LEOs? Did some cop write you a ticket today?

[fubarud]

I wasn't aware that our constitutional rights are at the discretion of law enforcement. I must have missed that part of the 2A.

Our constitutional rights are not in place to make life easier for the government or any of their jack-booted thugs.

[snubjob]

Buzzard, on 11 February 2012 - 09:30 PM, said:

vactor, on 11 February 2012 - 07:47 PM, said:

how about a bill that requires LEO's to leave their guns in locked lockers at the police station and are only allowed to have them while actually on duty working their shift, and if the shift supervisor signs a document indicating that there is a substantial need based on a credible verifiable threat (supported by a police report of the incident), otherwise the officer should be no different than the regular citizen. this way the guns will not be stolen from the homes of police officers or from their persons if they are assaulted.

speaking of, why DO police officers have special powers to possess and carry firearms while NOT on duty working their assigned shift?

[Sarcasm]

Yeah. Let's do that and piss off every LEO fraternal organization that has signed on as a supporter of HB148. And who could blame them when they pulled their support and said "Sorry - you're on your own."

[/Sarcasm]

I can understand being mad at Quinn. But why are you mad at the LEOs? Did some cop write you a ticket today?

I'm not endorsing this idea at all, but aren't we already "On our own"?

[lieut89]

Mr. Fife, on 11 February 2012 - 12:47 PM, said:

Let's disarm Quinn and see how he likes it.

Considering the new bills Rahm and Quinn are trying to move forward, I think that we should also move forward with our own bills. In particular, I think it's important to disarm Quinn of his power to suspend or limit transporting of firearms during an emergency. Remember what happened in New Orleans?

We need to get a bill going to amend the Emergency powers of Quinn before he decides to call an emergency.

My link

Quote

(20 ILCS 3305/7) (from Ch. 127, par. 1057)
Sec. 7. Emergency Powers of the Governor.
(a) In the event of a disaster, as defined in Section 4, the Governor may, by proclamation declare that a disaster exists. Upon such proclamation, the Governor shall have and may exercise for a period not to exceed 30 days the following emergency powers; provided, however, that the lapse of the emergency powers shall not, as regards any act or acts occurring or committed within the 30 days period, deprive any person, firm, corporation, political subdivision, or body politic of any right or rights to compensation or reimbursement which he, she, it, or they may have under the provisions of this Act:

(9) To suspend or limit the sale, dispensing, or transportation of alcoholic beverages, firearms, explosives, and combustibles.

Virginia just passed legislation banning such powers. Colorado and Minnesota are also currently working legislation through. Any others out there that people are aware of?

[vactor]

Buzzard, on 11 February 2012 - 09:30 PM, said:

vactor, on 11 February 2012 - 07:47 PM, said:

how about a bill that requires LEO's to leave their guns in locked lockers at the police station and are only allowed to have them while actually on duty working their shift, and if the shift supervisor signs a document indicating that there is a substantial need based on a credible verifiable threat (supported by a police report of the incident), otherwise the officer should be no different than the regular citizen. this way the guns will not be stolen from the homes of police officers or from their persons if they are assaulted.

speaking of, why DO police officers have special powers to possess and carry firearms while NOT on duty working their assigned shift?

[Sarcasm]

Yeah. Let's do that and piss off every LEO fraternal organization that has signed on as a supporter of HB148. And who could blame them when they pulled their support and said "Sorry - you're on your own."

[/Sarcasm]

I can understand being mad at Quinn. But why are you mad at the LEOs? Did some cop write you a ticket today?

you guys are too literal.  it's to highlight the ridiculousness of the gun laws altogether.  if they want to control them, why not push for this kind of legislation that WOULD control guns to a very great extrent, but in doing so, highlights the insanity behind the gun laws as they are.  

and notice i said "not during their shift" not just not on duty.  if you read, as opposed to making assumptions about what i wrote ...

i have ZERO problems with police, same as with any regular law abiding person.  yet, they get special treatment even while not engaged in their duties while AT work.

Edited by vactor, 12 February 2012 - 11:14 AM.

[samy12386]

colt-45, on 11 February 2012 - 01:25 PM, said:

Mr. Fife, on 11 February 2012 - 12:47 PM, said:

Let's disarm Quinn and see how he likes it.

Considering the new bills Rahm and Quinn are trying to move forward, I think that we should also move forward with our own bills. In particular, I think it's important to disarm Quinn of his power to suspend or limit transporting of firearms during an emergency. Remember what happened in New Orleans?

We need to get a bill going to amend the Emergency powers of Quinn before he decides to call an emergency.

My link

Quote

(20 ILCS 3305/7) (from Ch. 127, par. 1057)
Sec. 7. Emergency Powers of the Governor.
(a) In the event of a disaster, as defined in Section 4, the Governor may, by proclamation declare that a disaster exists. Upon such proclamation, the Governor shall have and may exercise for a period not to exceed 30 days the following emergency powers; provided, however, that the lapse of the emergency powers shall not, as regards any act or acts occurring or committed within the 30 days period, deprive any person, firm, corporation, political subdivision, or body politic of any right or rights to compensation or reimbursement which he, she, it, or they may have under the provisions of this Act:

(9) To suspend or limit the sale, dispensing, or transportation of alcoholic beverages, firearms, explosives, and combustibles.

i agree lets get this one going i like it, but i hope it don't open a can of worms. i'm thinking more on a bill like if any Rep that imposes a bill against the 2nd amendment can be fired and fine up to $5,000.00. i think Florida just passed something like that. would any one agree on this?

Yes

[Buzzard]

vactor, on 12 February 2012 - 11:14 AM, said:

Buzzard, on 11 February 2012 - 09:30 PM, said:

vactor, on 11 February 2012 - 07:47 PM, said:

how about a bill that requires LEO's to leave their guns in locked lockers at the police station and are only allowed to have them while actually on duty working their shift, and if the shift supervisor signs a document indicating that there is a substantial need based on a credible verifiable threat (supported by a police report of the incident), otherwise the officer should be no different than the regular citizen. this way the guns will not be stolen from the homes of police officers or from their persons if they are assaulted.

speaking of, why DO police officers have special powers to possess and carry firearms while NOT on duty working their assigned shift?

[Sarcasm]

Yeah. Let's do that and piss off every LEO fraternal organization that has signed on as a supporter of HB148. And who could blame them when they pulled their support and said "Sorry - you're on your own."

[/Sarcasm]

I can understand being mad at Quinn. But why are you mad at the LEOs? Did some cop write you a ticket today?

you guys are too literal. it's to highlight the ridiculousness of the gun laws altogether. if they want to control them, why not push for this kind of legislation that WOULD control guns to a very great extrent, but in doing so, highlights the insanity behind the gun laws as they are.

and notice i said "not during their shift" not just not on duty. if you read, as opposed to making assumptions about what i wrote ...

i have ZERO problems with police, same as with any regular law abiding person. yet, they get special treatment even while not engaged in their duties while AT work.

Ahhh. . . . I see.

You were being sarcastic TOO. It's sometimes hard to tell through a computer screen versus a person to person conversation.

My mistake.

[Drylok]

Disarm him? What are we going to do take away his tactical hair comb or deny him the right to keep and bear tongue depressors?