129 replies to this topic

[papa]

Drylok, on 10 November 2011 - 01:04 AM, said:

What is gyro?

It is a fantastic Greek type sandwich. UUUUMMMMMM UM!

[Davey]

Drylok, on 10 November 2011 - 01:04 AM, said:

What is gyro?

Geico guy
What are you living under?  A rock?
/Geico guy

Heh, seriously though it's lamb meat all cooked up and served on a, I think, pita bread.  Grilled  onions, cucumber sauce.  You know it's good when the onion gases rip through your nose and right into your medula oblongata.  Nostrils and throat burn like you're in the middle of a chemical plant burning to the ground.  Then the  cool cucumber sauce pays a visit and cools it all down like you're swooshing and swishing down a snowy mountain side.

Really tasty and totally bad for you.  Also it's pronounced yeerow and not jiro.

Oh, and hr822 is good.

Edited by Davey, 10 November 2011 - 02:58 AM.

[Drylok]

I just heard cam say the bill is clean and they are going to the floor for a vote on Tuedsay next week in the house.

[Davey]

Drylok, on 11 November 2011 - 01:29 AM, said:

I just heard cam say the bill is clean and they are going to the floor for a vote on Tuedsay next week in the house.

I'm on pins and or needles.  Be nice to see this go through.

[Drylok]

I know me too. Now this is a clean bill now but is it correct that when it gets over to the senate they could amend it and hook it onto some garbage legislation? Course if they do then doesn't it have to come back to the house?

[ilphil]

I seriously doubt that it will see the light of day in the Senate. It will get buried in an unfriendly committee.

And even if it did get passed by some miracle, does anybody really think BHO won't veto it in a heartbeat?

Its only possible chance is to get attached to a bill he can't afford to kill.

[XJCraver]

Maybe this is an ufounded concern, but could we discuss this:  
Here in Illinois, we're gaining traction, and support for RKBA, and specifically HB0148.  What happens, if this reciprocity bill is passed before we get a carry  bill here.  I see it as another possible "excuse" for the legislators on the No side of things to vote against 148 ( since there is no reciprocity built in to that bill).  I think this could hurt us here in Il, and bad, if it becomes law before we get RTC.  After we get it, not so much.

Thoughts??

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[soundguy]

Unfounded concern, is my thought.

Both things will eventually happen. I don't think it matters which one comes first. Illinois will drag IRS feet without national recognition. If national recognition comes first, Illinois will continue to be the unprotected paradise it currently is. That can only help us.

[frankw438]

XJCraver, on 11 November 2011 - 12:03 PM, said:

Maybe this is an ufounded concern, but could we discuss this:  
Here in Illinois, we're gaining traction, and support for RKBA, and specifically HB0148.  What happens, if this reciprocity bill is passed before we get a carry  bill here.  I see it as another possible "excuse" for the legislators on the No side of things to vote against 148 ( since there is no reciprocity built in to that bill).  I think this could hurt us here in Il, and bad, if it becomes law before we get RTC.  After we get it, not so much.

Thoughts??

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I've had that exact thought. However, we can simply point to our neighboring states (IA, IN) that honor ALL RTC permits from ALL states. They haven't had any problems there. Why should we expect problems here?

[PPK]

Drylok, on 10 November 2011 - 01:04 AM, said:

What is gyro?

Slices of meatlike substance from unknown source served on pita bread with sliced tomatos, onions, and sour cream. Best served with a lot of beer so you don't worry to much about where the meatlike substance came from. They're pretty good.

[bob]

ilphil, on 11 November 2011 - 09:34 AM, said:

I seriously doubt that it will see the light of day in the Senate. It will get buried in an unfriendly committee.

And even if it did get passed by some miracle, does anybody really think BHO won't veto it in a heartbeat?

Its only possible chance is to get attached to a bill he can't afford to kill.

I do not think you have to worry to much about a veto. I am guessing this bill will suffer the same fate as similar legislation has for many years.

It would be interesting though if NYC had to start honoring permits from outside of NYC.

My personal opinion is this bill is more about offering up red meat to the faithful than a serious attempt at legislation. But it gets a little closer every time. It may eventually go over the top.

[Getzapped]

They are having a hearing on hr822 today 5pm  If one (or more) of you folks that know more about this could take a look at #2 and #4 and give a little feedback as to what they mean, i would appreciate it.  
2
http://www.rules.hou...aspx?NewsID=587



edit:  Sorry, you have to click on the ammendment tab after you follow the link

Edited by Getzapped, 14 November 2011 - 10:13 AM.

[soundguy]

Getzapped, on 14 November 2011 - 10:12 AM, said:

They are having a hearing on hr822 today 5pm  If one (or more) of you folks that know more about this could take a look at #2 and #4 and give a little feedback as to what they mean, i would appreciate it.  
2
http://www.rules.hou...aspx?NewsID=587



edit:  Sorry, you have to click on the amendment tab after you follow the link

Thanks for pointing these out.

[#4: Would allow individuals with Concealed Carry Permits who are residents of a state or jurisdiction with Conceal Carry Permits to travel through, or maintain their permit in, a state or jurisdiction without Concealed Carry Permits. Would allow citizens of a state or jurisdiction without Concealed Carry Permits to lawfully obtain a Conceal Carry Permit from another state and maintain that permit in their state of residence.]

After a couple of reads... I like this one. The Illinois clause? I can't imagine how it would work in big cities with home rule. Seems to have been proposed by our own Timothy Johnson. A backwards way to bring CC to Illinois.

[#2: Would require a person provide at least 24 hours notice to a law enforcement officer of the State of the intention to possess or carry a concealed handgun in the State]

Sounds like a call to the state police before you travel... From a Texas Democrat. I could live without this one. All LE jurisdictions COULD just presume that everyone with a lawful permit would make use of it all the time...

[mrjam2jab]

Getzapped, on 14 November 2011 - 10:12 AM, said:

They are having a hearing on hr822 today 5pm  If one (or more) of you folks that know more about this could take a look at #2 and #4 and give a little feedback as to what they mean, i would appreciate it.  
2
http://www.rules.hou...aspx?NewsID=587



edit:  Sorry, you have to click on the ammendment tab after you follow the link

those amendments have already been voted on...only the one listed as #8 actually passed. See this link Bill Markup

Edited by mrjam2jab, 14 November 2011 - 01:18 PM.

[Tvandermyde]

Rep Johnson is offering his amendment before the the rules committee in about 4 hours.

seems our Illinois pro-carry congressmen don't want us left out in the cold.

Todd

[mrjam2jab]

Tvandermyde, on 14 November 2011 - 01:26 PM, said:

Rep Johnson is offering his amendment before the the rules committee in about 4 hours.

seems our Illinois pro-carry congressmen don't want us left out in the cold.

Todd

How?

Quote

Amendment Deadline:  Monday, November 7, 2011 at 12:00 PM

[soundguy]

mrjam2jab, on 14 November 2011 - 02:18 PM, said:

How?

Quote

Amendment Deadline:  Monday, November 7, 2011 at 12:00 PM

As reported in another tread, it's on his web-sight. As to how... who really cares? Thanks, Rep. Johnson!

[Fidelity Academy]

Let him try! With every swing of the axe, from everyone committed to the Second Amendment, we will eventually cut through all of the nonsense.

Kudos to him!

[Drylok]

Not sure what to think about Johnsons amendment

[Drylok]

Vandermyde is going to be on after 9 but not about this. Heads up Todd, I just sent Cam a talk back and asked him to ask you about this amendment.

[snubjob]

Drylok, on 14 November 2011 - 07:42 PM, said:

Not sure what to think about Johnsons amendment

You smell a rat?  Probably doesn't stand a chance with these amendments anyway.

[Drylok]

snubjob, on 14 November 2011 - 08:16 PM, said:

Drylok, on 14 November 2011 - 07:42 PM, said:

Not sure what to think about Johnsons amendment

You smell a rat?  Probably doesn't stand a chance with these amendments anyway.

My concern would be that it passes in the house which it will but then because of this amendment it fails the house. It wouldn't be fair for the whole country to lose national carry just because we can't get carry passed here. Much like it's not fair that the rest of us in IL can't carry because the residents of chicago can't get their shhh.....stuff together.

[snubjob]

Drylok, on 14 November 2011 - 08:33 PM, said:

snubjob, on 14 November 2011 - 08:16 PM, said:

Drylok, on 14 November 2011 - 07:42 PM, said:

Not sure what to think about Johnsons amendment

You smell a rat?  Probably doesn't stand a chance with these amendments anyway.

My concern would be that it passes in the house which it will but then because of this amendment it fails the house. It wouldn't be fair for the whole country to lose national carry just because we can't get carry passed here. Much like it's not fair that the rest of us in IL can't carry because the residents of chicago can't get their shhh.....stuff together.

Understood. Seems a shame that it can't be an even 50 states instead of 49.

[snubjob]

It's going to be interesting to see exactly who and how this bill gets shot down. Or how watered down it may end up.   You can bet it has the attention of the oval office as well as the attention of those in the chicago region[if you know who i mean }.  The ones who make decisions for the ENTIRE state!

[Tvandermyde]

The rule as published is below. this lists the amendments that will be considered and the time alloted for each portion of the debate.

Rule Information for H.R. 822
COMMITTEE ACTION:
REPORTED BY VOICE VOTE on Monday, November 14, 2011.

FLOOR ACTION ON H.RES. 463:

MANAGERS: Nugent/McGovern

1. Structured rule.

2. Provides one hour of general debate equally divided and controlled by the chair and ranking minority member of the Committee on the Judiciary.

3. Waives all points of order against consideration of the bill.

4. Provides that the amendment in the nature of a substitute recommended by the Committee on the Judiciary now printed in the bill shall be considered as original text for the purpose of amendment and shall be considered as read.

5. Waives all points of order against the committee amendment in the nature of a substitute.

6. Makes in order only those amendments printed in the Rules Committee report. Each such amendment may be offered only in the order printed in the report, may be offered only by a Member designated in the report, shall be considered as read, shall be debatable for the time specified in the report equally divided and controlled by the proponent and an opponent, shall not be subject to amendment, and shall not be subject to a demand for division of the question.

7. Waives all points of order against the amendments printed in the report.

8. Provides one motion to recommit with or without instructions.


Summary of Amendments to be Made in Order:
(summaries derived from information provided by sponsors)



Sponsor

#

DescriptionDebate Time1. Woodall (GA)

#18

Would protect the rights of states that already have reciprocal agreements in place for the concealed carry of firearms to continue enforcing those preexisting agreements.(10 minutes)2. McCarthy, Carolyn (NY)

#7

Would specify that the legislation can only go into effect in states that have passed legislation enacting the bill.(10 minutes)3. Hastings, Alcee (FL)

#29

(LATE) (REVISED) Would exempt states from issuing a carry permit on the basis of state reciprocity which do not require individuals to apply for and complete a carry permit application at their local law enforcement station. (10 minutes)4. Jackson Lee (TX)

#1

Would require a state to create a comprehensive database that would contain all permits and licenses issued by the State for carrying a concealed weapon and would make this comprehensive database available to law enforcement officers from all states 24 hours a day. (10 minutes)5. Conyers (MI)

#22

Would preserve state laws with respect to eligibility for concealed-carry.(10 minutes)6. Johnson, Hank (GA)

#9

Would require the possession or carrying of a concealed handgun in a state to be subject to that state's law regarding concealed carry in regards to firearm safety training that includes live-fire exercise. (10 minutes)7. Cohen (TN)

#11

Would exempt from the bill any State law requiring a person to be at least 21 years of age to possess or carry a concealed handgun.(10 minutes)8. Jackson Lee (TX)

#2

(REVISED) Would require a person provide at least 24 hours notice to a law enforcement officer of the State of the intention to possess or carry a concealed handgun in the State(10 minutes)9. Cicilline (RI)

#23

Would limit the bill from taking effect in a state until the State Attorney General, head of the State police, and the Secretary of State have jointly certified that the other state's carry laws are substantially similar to its own licensing or permitting requirements. (10 minutes)10. Reichert (WA)

#28

(LATE) (REVISED) Would require a GAO study on the ability of state and local law enforcement authorities to verify the validity of out-of-state concealed firearms permits.(10 minutes)

[Drylok]

Gosh I have butterflies I haven't felt the likes of since May 5th

[GarandFan]

Yep, that's a lot of bad amendments!

[Drylok]

Edit: Never mind

Edited by Drylok, 14 November 2011 - 09:58 PM.

[milq]

Can you imagine the poor soul answering phones if a call had to be given before a CCW holder came into a state.......yeah, I know others suck too but this one jumped out at me.

[GarandFan]

Those actual amendments, and the summaries provided above by Todd, can be found at the link below.  Remember that the sponsor of H.RES.463 is a co-sponsor of HR822.

http://thomas.loc.go...&&sel=TOC_7778


Here is the language of the actual amendments:


1. AN AMENDMENT TO BE OFFERED BY REPRESENTATIVE WOODALL OF GEORGIA OR HIS DESIGNEE, DEBATABLE FOR 10 MINUTES

    Page 5, line 25, strike `that--' and insert `that does not have in effect an agreement with the State that issued the license or permit providing for reciprocal treatment of such licenses or permits issued by the 2 States, and that--'.

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2. AN AMENDMENT TO BE OFFERED BY REPRESENTATIVE MCCARTHY OF NEW YORK OR HER DESIGNEE, DEBATABLE FOR 10 MINUTES

    Page 5, line 25, strike `that--' and insert `that has in effect a law providing that the provisions of this section shall apply with respect to the State, and--'

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3. AN AMENDMENT TO BE OFFERED BY REPRESENTATIVE HASTINGS OF FLORIDA OR HIS DESIGNEE, DEBATABLE FOR 10 MINUTES

    Page 6, line 1, insert `(A)' after `(1)'.

    Page 6, line 4, strike `(2)' and insert `(B.)'.

    Page 6, line 5, strike the period and insert `; and'.

    Page 6, after line 5, insert the following:

        `(2) provides for the issuance of such a license or permit, and requires the applicant for such a license or permit to complete and submit the application to the State in person.'.

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4. AN AMENDMENT TO BE OFFERED BY REPRESENTATIVE JACKSON LEE OF TEXAS OR HER DESIGNEE, DEBATABLE FOR 10 MINUTES

    Page 6, line 1, insert `(A)' after `(1)'.

    Page 6, line 4, strike `(2)' and insert `(B.)'.

    Page 6, line 5, strike the period and insert `; and'.

        `(2) maintains a complete database of all permits and licenses issued by the State for the carrying of a concealed handgun, and makes that database available to law enforcement officers from all States 24 hours a day.'.

    Page 6, after line 5, insert the following:

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5. AN AMENDMENT TO BE OFFERED BY REPRESENTATIVE CONYERS, JR. OF MICHIGAN OR HIS DESIGNEE, DEBATABLE FOR 10 MINUTES

    Page 6, beginning on line 8, strike `, except as to eligibility to possess or carry,'.

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6. AN AMENDMENT TO BE OFFERED BY REPRESENTATIVE JOHNSON OF GEORGIA OR HIS DESIGNEE, DEBATABLE FOR 10 MINUTES

    Page 6, line 14, after the period insert the following: `Notwithstanding the preceding sentence, the possession or carrying of a concealed handgun in a State shall be subject to any law of the State that limits the eligibility to possess or carry a concealed handgun to persons who have received firearm safety training that includes a live-fire exercise.'.

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7. AN AMENDMENT TO BE OFFERED BY REPRESENTATIVE COHEN OF TENNESSEE OR HIS DESIGNEE, DEBATABLE FOR 10 MINUTES

    Page 6, line 14, after the period insert the following: `Notwithstanding the preceding sentence, the possession or carrying of a concealed handgun in a State under this section shall be subject to any State law limiting the eligibility to possess or carry a concealed handgun to individuals who have attained 21 years of age.'.

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8. AN AMENDMENT TO BE OFFERED BY REPRESENTATIVE JACKSON LEE OF TEXAS OR HER DESIGNEE, DEBATABLE FOR 10 MINUTES

    Page 6, line 21, strike the close quotation marks and the following period.

    Page 6, after line 21, insert the following:

    `(d) A person may not, under this section, carry or possess a concealed handgun in a State, unless the person provided at least 24 hours notice to the designated law enforcement agency of the State of the intention of the person to carry or possess a concealed handgun in the State.'.

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9. AN AMENDMENT TO BE OFFERED BY REPRESENTATIVE CICILLINE OF RHODE ISLAND OR HIS DESIGNEE, DEBATABLE FOR 10 MINUTES

    Page 6, line 21, strike the close quotation marks and the following period.

    Page 6, after line 21, insert the following:

    `(d) Subsection (a) shall not apply with respect to the possession or carrying of a concealed handgun in a State on the basis of a license or permit issued in another State, unless the Attorney General of the State, the head of the State police, and the Secretary of State of the State have jointly issued a certification that the laws of both States which provide for the issuance of such a license or permit are substantially similar.'.